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Upgrading the internal hard drive on an HR24


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#26 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 10:52 AM

OK, I'm probably the only person who will freely admit that he's tried this.

Why? because I took the pictures in the first look and I had DIRECTV's permission. So I have a bit of advice for you: don't do it.

I'm not going to give you detailed instructions, but I'm going to tell you that it took every flathead screwdriver I had, plus plastic putty knives and folded up pieces of paper. That was just to get the case off. I also removed a bunch of screws that I didn't need to, apparently.

It took me close to an hour to do all this and I darn near broke the front panel several times.
Then I got the thing open and you'll find two things: The drive is secured to the sled with wire and the SATA cable is so short it sits flush against the drive. Look at the pictures in the first look.

It was hard to be sure but the sled might also be soldered in.

As far as 2TB is concerned, I am not 100% sure you can even go up that high with an HR24. I know there are some other members of the HR2x family that won't run a 2TB internal.

My suggestion to you, sir... is eSATA.


And there goes the lust my heart was filled with. No more eSATAs for me.

Thanx for the tip. Saved me a lot of trouble. Great post!

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:03 PM

So has anyone posted pictures/guide about doing an hr24 internal upgrade? I have one coming shortly and was thinking about maybe posting pictures if someone hasn't done so already.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 03:39 AM

So has anyone posted pictures/guide about doing an hr24 internal upgrade? I have one coming shortly and was thinking about maybe posting pictures if someone hasn't done so already.

In general...that tends to be frowned upon, especially since most users have leased units that should not be tampered with, per the subscriber agreement.

The "First Look" reports for the HR24-500 and HR24-100 models do show internal photos taken by the authors, as authorized by DirecTV.

Here are the post links, which contain PDF documents you can view:

http://www.dbstalk.c...819&postcount=4

http://www.dbstalk.c...376&postcount=1

Note: Often, folks think they are "buying" a unit from 3rd party vendors...when in fact...they are "leased" instead. Always check DirecTV first to see what their records indicate. With leased units - you break it, you buy it. :eek2:

If someone truly has an owned unit (which is very rare), they can pretty much do whatever they want to it. The risk of breaking something (the case, the internal components) is very high if you do not really know what you are doing.

P.S.....the housing cases on the HR24-500 and HR24-100 are virtually identical, but not exactly the same in terms of how they "mount" to the main frame of the DVR itself...more opportunity for damage without intimate experience.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:51 AM

So has anyone posted pictures/guide about doing an hr24 internal upgrade? I have one coming shortly and was thinking about maybe posting pictures if someone hasn't done so already.


Since the one you've got coming appears to be a lease, I'd recommend going the eSATA route anyway.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:56 AM

Since the one you've got coming appears to be a lease, I'd recommend going the eSATA route anyway.

Agreed.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:12 AM

So has anyone posted pictures/guide about doing an hr24 internal upgrade? I have one coming shortly and was thinking about maybe posting pictures if someone hasn't done so already.


I did post some pictures in another thread doing it on my OWNED HR24.

http://www.dbstalk.c...13&postcount=31

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:27 AM

Those photos don't seem to address the mounting screw differences in addition to the clips...

Nor the drive mounts inside which are also different...like I said...the -500 and -100 models differ... as you likely know...one slight wrong move...and those clips (or case) are toast as well.

I've seen 3 HR24's opened, and the expert doing it looked like he was performing delicate surgery in the process - and he knew what he was doing.


Mine was an HR24-500. There was no screw removal required nor mounting screws for taking the cover off. Once you figured out the clip system and how to trip them it was very easy to take the cover off. However without pictures the first time, just a verbal description, it was tough to figure out exactly where they were and how to trip them.

Once inside you do need to remove screws to access the hard drive and hard drive sled and undo the clips for the ribbon cables.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:33 AM

I did post some pictures in another thread doing it on my OWNED HR24.

http://www.dbstalk.c...13&postcount=31

Those photos don't seem to address the mounting screw differences in addition to the clips...the photo angle is a bit tough....but you seem to show the -100.

LIkewise... the drive mounts inside are not alike...like I said...the -500 and -100 models differ... as you likely know...one slight wrong move...and those clips (or case) are toast as well.

I've seen 3 HR24's opened, and the expert doing it looked like he was performing delicate surgery in the process - and he knew what he was doing.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:13 PM

I've put three 2tb drives in my HR24's. I also have 2 set up with RAID 1 2tb cases.
I use 4 table knives and two thumbs to access the case.
I archive my war movies to the two RAID units. I was tired of losing hard drives and all the contents. I also copied the original hard drives to the new drives including the RAID cases. I used the Gparted cd and the graceful power down on all drives. I did copy the two raid case drives one right after the other. Just as soon as the one showed sucess, I shut the PC down changed drives and rebooted Gparted again and did the second drive.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 04:22 PM

I opened my owned HR24 just to see how hard it was. I wasn't planning on it when I got it but I got a wild hare looking at it and I thought "I can do it, it doesn't look that hard". It was super easy IMHO. I used common household tools. I actually think it was easier than the older ones because I always had to fight with the cover to get it back on...

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 07:38 PM

I opened my owned HR24 just to see how hard it was. I wasn't planning on it when I got it but I got a wild hare looking at it and I thought "I can do it, it doesn't look that hard". It was super easy IMHO. I used common household tools. I actually think it was easier than the older ones because I always had to fight with the cover to get it back on...

EDIT: For the reasons posted above, I will not share my techniques on this one :D

In terms of the physical work...yes...in some ways....it is "easier". The challenge is making sure something doesn't get broken along the way, especially if someone is doing this for the first time. Stuart eluded to this some time ago.

It can be done, I've seen a drive swapped our in more than one owned HR24 in less than 15 minutes each. That said....there is absolutely risk in doing it.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 07:45 PM

Yeah, mentally it was harder, I didn't want to break something I had just shelled out so little money for...:rolleyes:
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:57 PM

Yeah, mentally it was harder, I didn't want to break something I had just shelled out so little money for...:rolleyes:


I will say this. It is MUCH easier for DirecTv to identify Hx24s that were broken while being opened up compared to prior models. I'll leave it at that. ;)
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:01 AM

I will say this. It is MUCH easier for DirecTv to identify Hx24s that were broken while being opened up compared to prior models. I'll leave it at that. ;)


I don't think Directv cares as I have never heard of anyone being reprimanded or written up as a Violator of the TOS and I'll just Leave it at that!!! :)

It's a Piece Of Cake for anyone with a little Intelligence and Patience to look at what they are doing carefully before they proceed and you do not even need butter knives if you just keep pressure upwards on the case lid so it doesn't come back down into the groove that holds it in place initially. It took less than a minute to take the lid off once I proceeded.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:15 AM

Yeah, mentally it was harder, I didn't want to break something I had just shelled out so little money for...:rolleyes:


I will say this. It is MUCH easier for DirecTv to identify Hx24s that were broken while being opened up compared to prior models. I'll leave it at that. ;)

Yup.

For most, it's simply not worth the stress and potential headaches. Add on a layer that most folks lease their HR24's and don't own them....and even thinking of doing this leaves a very, very short list of candidates.

Compare that to a plug and play eSata setup...and the choice seems pretty obvious.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:47 AM

Are internal drive changes and external drives all that important now that we have MRV? I have to admit that I tend to delete things right after watching them except for a few kids movies and shows so most things are fairly recent, but I do record entire series before watching them. Before I spent the money I'd probably just but another DVR and then there is more storage and more tuners.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:09 AM

Are internal drive changes and external drives all that important now that we have MRV? I have to admit that I tend to delete things right after watching them except for a few kids movies and shows so most things are fairly recent, but I do record entire series before watching them. Before I spent the money I'd probably just but another DVR and then there is more storage and more tuners.


I think so. For us, anyway. My wife isn't home that much, she works a lot of hours and she travels all over the world for the corporation she works for and we usually end up watching whole series during the summer and into the next season. Without added capacity, we couldn't do this. And you can't beat the added capacity for backing up programs. I've just found another eSATA that is probably shot and I've got all the programs on it backed up on other HRs.

I keep buying owned HRs and putting large internals in them because that method seems to work a whole lot better than eSATAs.

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Edited by Rich, 26 July 2010 - 08:10 AM.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:58 AM

I Own my DVRs so the First Thing I do when I acquire one is to put a 2 TB Hard Drive in it and be done with it. I didn't find anything that would break unless you force it open by not looking at what you are doing and seeing how it works to hold the lid on.

Very Easy and Very Nice to have a 2 TB Drive sitting in it doing it's thing.

Just Love having the storage and if Directv gave us sufficient storage then we wouldn't have to open up the box and do it ourselves.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 09:28 AM

I don't think Directv cares as I have never heard of anyone being reprimanded or written up as a Violator of the TOS and I'll just Leave it at that!!! :)

It's a Piece Of Cake for anyone with a little Intelligence and Patience to look at what they are doing carefully before they proceed and you do not even need butter knives if you just keep pressure upwards on the case lid so it doesn't come back down into the groove that holds it in place initially. It took less than a minute to take the lid off once I proceeded.


I thought someone who's very good with HRs swapped drives for you?
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 09:50 AM

I thought someone who's very good with HRs swapped drives for you?


Perhaps he uses someone such as the the very good electrician that does my electrical work.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:14 PM

I thought someone who's very good with HRs swapped drives for you?


Well, he did the First One and I aided him but then I did the rest of them after seeing how Simple an Operation it turned out to be!!! :)
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:25 PM

if Directv gave us sufficient storage then we wouldn't have to open up the box and do it ourselves.


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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:47 PM

.....if Directv gave us sufficient storage then we wouldn't have to open up the box and do it ourselves.

Of course that word "sufficient" is in the eyes of the beholder... ;):lol:

More important...if there was a viable way to archive content folks want to offload and store....then real-time drives would require less capacity.

To me....archiving content is the biggest gap in all DVRs today.I understand all of the security and copy protection arguments, but those can be addressed with a household only code where the content can be restricted - as oppossed to how it all works today.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 01:24 PM

Of course that word "sufficient" is in the eyes of the beholder... ;):lol:

More important...if there was a viable way to archive content folks want to offload and store....then real-time drives would require less capacity.

To me....archiving content is the biggest gap in all DVRs today.I understand all of the security and copy protection arguments, but those can be addressed with a household only code where the content can be restricted - as oppossed to how it all works today.


NetFlix=Archiving.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 02:38 PM

I think so. For us, anyway. My wife isn't home that much, she works a lot of hours and she travels all over the world for the corporation she works for and we usually end up watching whole series during the summer and into the next season. Without added capacity, we couldn't do this. And you can't beat the added capacity for backing up programs. I've just found another eSATA that is probably shot and I've got all the programs on it backed up on other HRs.

I keep buying owned HRs and putting large internals in them because that method seems to work a whole lot better than eSATAs.

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Ok that makes sense. I guess my life is much simpler than a lot of other folks, I really only need to go away for long periods of time for pleasure. Maybe a case of tunnel vision. :)

For the backup issue, more often than not I am around when a recording is being made, so if I were to miss it due to bad weather, I know to look for it in other places.

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