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SixtoReport: D10/D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Both D10 & D12 in service


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#551 OFFLINE   Matt9876

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 03:05 PM

Have you read the linked explanation from the STA request? The "tests" they are doing will put out more power than the satellite typically uses and will interfere with other satellites (for very brief periods of time). Having that interference source as far away from in service satellites makes sense.


Thanks for the PDF (had to make changes to my firewall to read it) makes perfect sense if they are going to overdrive the transponders. Hope it works!

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 04:01 PM

Well Looks Like I Cant Get My Dam Hd On My Boat Why In The Hell I Can Pick Up D10 D11 101 119 110 Fine And Cant Get This Dam D12. My Thing Is If We Boat Owners Cant Get HD On Harbour Island In The Bahamas Why Can You Get It In Nassau. Bull Directv Looking To Get Dish Installed On My Boat When I Get Back In Florida.


I cant read anything you said.

#553 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 04:10 PM

More Details (5/26/2010):

http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=819504


This is great news, being that the 30 days includes the move back.

And they're moving D10 traffic back.
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 04:39 PM

And they're moving D10 traffic back.


Already, or they will be?

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 04:43 PM

More Details (5/26/2010):

http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=819504


This is great news, being that the 30 days includes the move back.

And they're moving D10 traffic back.


Sixto Thanks For That Good News. Well Its Good To Know That D10 Traffic Will Return, And I Will Have My Cnn In Hd. :)

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 04:44 PM

More Details (5/26/2010):

http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=819504


This is great news, being that the 30 days includes the move back.

And they're moving D10 traffic back.


Already, or they will be?


They Will Be Moving Stuff Back Once D10 Is Back Online.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:44 PM

They Will Be Moving Stuff Back Once D10 Is Back Online.


Thanks. Hadn't read the letter yet.

Looks like our first indication that D10 is moving back will be it starts transmitting again.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:49 PM

More Details (5/26/2010):

http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=819504


This is great news, being that the 30 days includes the move back.

And they're moving D10 traffic back.


Certainly sounds like all D-10 offloading will be complete by 5/2.

Unfortunately not in a position to use my LIL PID download for a couple of days.

Will report the results ASAP.

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#559 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 07:46 PM

you already have CNN in HD. channel 202 where its been for 3 years.

He's explained several times that the D12 national beam isn't the same in the Bahamas as D10, thus moving back to D10 helps him.
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:39 PM

He's explained several times that the D12 national beam isn't the same in the Bahamas as D10, thus moving back to D10 helps him.


I notice that you refer to the D12 "national" beam and not the "conus" one. This is also the case for the continental US beam footprint on Satbeams.com. Is this just a new name or is there some difference between the two?

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:42 PM

I notice that you refer to the D12 "national" beam and not the "conus" one. This is also the case for the continental US beam footprint on Satbeams.com. Is this just a new name or is there some difference between the two?

Used "national" because easier term for some. Same.
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:48 PM

Used "national" because easier term for some. Same.


Actually not quite the same. National "should" refer to beams that include Alaska and Hawaii. Some reflectors have a lobe that covers those two, others need to duplicate feeds on another transponder/reflector.

CONUS should be less common these days and only cover the lower 48.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 10:57 PM

And they're moving D10 traffic back.

I'd like to point out that the application says that they plan to move only the CONUS traffic back to D10.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:05 PM

More Details (5/26/2010):

http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=819504


This is great news, being that the 30 days includes the move back.

And they're moving D10 traffic back.


The document states "to return CONUS traffic" from D10 to D12 - no mention of LIL traffic. That may or may not mean that all LIL traffic will permanently be transferred to D12 - perhaps subject to the results of the ameliorization procedures on D10.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:06 PM

I'd like to point out that the application says that they plan to move only the CONUS traffic back to D10.


Well they really can't talk about the spotbeams until they get the results of "the operation", now can they? :) :)

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:23 PM

The document states "to return CONUS traffic" from D10 to D12 - no mention of LIL traffic. That may or may not mean that all LIL traffic will permanently be transferred to D12 - perhaps subject to the results of the ameliorization procedures on D10.

Exactly. The only mention of CONUS is for the services moved back DURING the migration back home to 102.815.
There is no statement saying that LIL will not be moved back AFTER it reaches it's licensed home.
To say "they plan to move only the CONUS traffic back to D10" is adding an important word that DirecTV didn't say.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:34 PM

Actually not quite the same. National "should" refer to beams that include Alaska and Hawaii. Some reflectors have a lobe that covers those two, others need to duplicate feeds on another transponder/reflector.

CONUS should be less common these days and only cover the lower 48.

Cheers,
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Yep, just used "national" to distinguish/specify channels that are transmitted nationally (for ease of understanding). :)

(The nationals from D10 were an issue for the poster in the Bahamas when moved to D12.)
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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:37 PM

The document states "to return CONUS traffic" from D10 to D12 - no mention of LIL traffic. That may or may not mean that all LIL traffic will permanently be transferred to D12 - perhaps subject to the results of the amelioration procedures on D10.

I'd like to point out that the application says that they plan to move only the CONUS traffic back to D10.

Interesting, lots of studying every word (of my post) tonight. :)

Yep, they did say that, and that's what I was referring to.

Again, it was just for those concerned about 103 (ca) vs 103 (cb).

Edited by Sixto, 27 May 2010 - 07:00 AM.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:45 PM

To say "they plan to move only the CONUS traffic back to D10" is adding an important wod that DirecTV didn't say.

I added the word to draw attention to the fact that there was no mention (or implication) of moving LIL back to D10 in the May 26th application.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 11:50 PM

Interesting, lots of studying every word tonight. :)

What else is there to do but parse the apparently not-yet-granted application???

Taking exception to the operating parameters would seem to beg for additional scrutiny.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 12:04 AM

I added the word to draw attention to the fact that there was no mention (or implication) of moving LIL back to D10 in the May 26th application.

You made up a fact. There was no request to move D10 back at all in the first STA application (a point noted in the second application). Does that mean that D10 was going to stay at 102.6 after repair? No.

What else is there to do but parse the apparently not-yet-granted application???

I'm modifying a program to parse binary data and turn it into a human readable form and watching some recorded HD programming. There has to be something good on TV that you could watch. :)

Anyways, hopefully the FCC will quickly approve - DirecTV can turn D10 up to 11 and everything will work out fine.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 03:36 AM

Interesting, lots of studying every word tonight. :)

Yep, they did say that, and that's what I was referring to.

Again, it was just for those concerned about 103 (ca) vs 103 (cb).



That depends on what the definition of "is" is!
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:52 AM

What else is there to do but parse the apparently not-yet-granted application??

Was referring to my post, not the application.

Yes, we do need to study each filing, that's mostly the only public data available.

And JL is correct, we do not know for sure the future configuration/utilization of the D10 spots. IMHO, they will at least return some of the previous LiL to D10. The quantity is unknown, and certainly they may now have a "new" projected D10/D12 LiL plan.

If they indeed end this with 100% availability of the D10 spots, there may be lots of possibilities, some of which they hadn't yet contemplated until after the D10 amelioration became a sparkle in some engineers eye.

Now we just hope for success!

Edited by Sixto, 27 May 2010 - 07:08 AM.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:09 AM

Was referring to my post, not the application.

Yes, we do need to study each filing, that's mostly the only public data available.

And JL is correct, we do not know for sure the future configuration/utilization of the D10 spots. IMHO, they will at least return some of the previous LiL to D10. The quantity is unknown, and certainly they may now have a "new" projected D10/D12 LiL plan.

If they indeed end this with 100% availability of the D10 spots, there may be lots of possibilities, some of which they hadn't yet contemplated until after the D10 amelioration became a sparkle in some engineers eye.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:30 AM

If they indeed end this with 100% availability of the D10 spots, there may be lots of possibilities, some of which they hadn't yet contemplated until after the D10 amelioration became a sparkle in some engineers eye.


If things go well, perhaps some background source will provide more detail on the "sparkle in some engineer's eye". I have a suspicion they've been plotting this from not too long after D10 went live. . . just waiting for D12 to arrive on station to make it seamless for the customers. They surely must have had an in-depth "after" review with Boeing of what happened with D10, and likely that's when they would have identified what they could do about it.




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