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SixtoReport: D10/D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Both D10 & D12 in service


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#1021 OFFLINE   jefbal99

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 11:30 AM

All quiet on the D10 front....more news imminent soon... ;):)

The next 7 days should be "fun".



Translation = Sixto will be posting the D10 amelioration final results and new status soon. :D


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#1022 OFFLINE   GregLee

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 12:48 PM

So with the fix to D10 will this bring more Locals to existing markets? Here in the detroit area we have a few stations that only are in SD but are broadcast localy in HD might we get the HD versions now

I am in that situation also, here in Honolulu, and have been for over 2 years. Lots of luck finding anything out, because I haven't been able to. Locals here are from D11; local NBC station says DirecTV is free to carry their HD signal whenever they choose; DirecTV says they don't have the satellite capacity. Ha. HD locals announced for 35 additional markets, and DirecTV doesn't have the capacity.
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#1023 OFFLINE   lwilli201

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 02:23 PM

Not sure how Directv gets the local signals back to the uplink location from Hawaii. Getting the HD locals to the uplinks sounds like a very expensive process.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 02:42 PM

I am in that situation also, here in Honolulu, and have been for over 2 years. Lots of luck finding anything out, because I haven't been able to. Locals here are from D11; local NBC station says DirecTV is free to carry their HD signal whenever they choose; DirecTV says they don't have the satellite capacity. Ha. HD locals announced for 35 additional markets, and DirecTV doesn't have the capacity.


Capacity for locals in other markets or national channels is different capacity than is needed to add an additional channel to your market. This especially true of Hawaii as there aren't going to be any extra spots covering that area.

DirecTV doesn't put any locals on Conus Tps (other than the distant networks). It's a waste of conus bandwidth that could be used to provide all their customer additional national channels.

Bandwidth on spots for local channels are only useful if the spot is aimed at you. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that none of the other 35 markets that are being added are covered by the same spot beam(s) that handle the Hawaii locals.

I can understand the frustration of not having one of your local channels available in HD and had to put up with that for 6 months or so when I first signed up.

#1025 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:23 PM

Not sure if this very slight movement means anything yet.

It hasn't been at .6 in a while, since 5/18.

Nothing new with the FCC.
Name			DirecTV-10
NORAD #			31862
Epoch (UTC)		06-15-2010 09:09:17
Orbit # at Epoch	1078
Inclination		0.052
RA of A. Node		153.442
Eccentricity		0.0000225
Argument of Perigee	82.899
Revs per day		1.00268173
Period			23h 56m 08s (1436.13 min)
Semi-major axis		42 166 km
Perigee x Apogee	35 787 x 35 789 km
Element number / age	506 / 0 day(s)

Lon			102.6071° W
Lat			0.0097° N
Alt (km)		35 786.650

[B][U] # [/u] [u] Date[/u] [u]GMT  [/u] [u]Perigee[/u]  [u]Apogee[/u] [u]  Gap [/u] [u] Longitude[/u] [u] Latitude[/u] [u] Inclin [/u][/B]
506 06-15 09:09 35,787 x 35,789      2 102.6071°W  0.0097°N  0.052°
505 06-14 07:50 35,785 x 35,788      3 102.5920°W  0.0121°N  0.053°
504 06-13 16:43 35,784 x 35,789      5 102.5954°W  0.0266°S  0.052°
503 06-10 08:50 35,786 x 35,787      1 102.5921°W  0.0138°N  0.040°
502 06-07 07:57 35,785 x 35,788      3 102.5845°W  0.0205°N  0.040°

[URL="http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=176796"]Post#1[/URL] has the complete history. The last 5 updates are above.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:31 PM

Not sure if this very slight movement means anything yet.

It hasn't been at .6 in a while, since 5/18.

Nothing new with the FCC.

Thanks for the update.

Should be soon now before the numbers change more. ;):)
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#1027 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 04:52 PM

Thanks for the update.

Should be soon now before the numbers change more. ;):)

I very much expected D10 to get back the nationals tomorrow (6/16), but now just not sure.

Per the filings, they can't provide commercial service from D10 until the STA is complete, and we've seen no filing that it's complete, but then again that might be confidential.

The start of movement back to 102.815 would indicate the STA being complete, but can't yet verify that until it's above 102.65.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 05:32 PM

I very much expected D10 to get back the nationals tomorrow (6/16), but now just not sure.

Per the filings, they can't provide commercial service from D10 until the STA is complete, and we've seen no filing that it's complete, but then again that might be confidential.

The start of movement back to 102.815 would indicate the STA being complete, but can't yet verify that until it's above 102.65.


There are required communications to FCC described in Para 4 and Para 5 of the Grant that we haven't seen publicly, but must have taken place re the start of D10 testing at 102.6. So, we know at least *some* D*/FCC coms are going on out of sight re fulfillment of the Grant terms.

#1029 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 07:22 PM

I very much expected D10 to get back the nationals tomorrow (6/16), but now just not sure.

Per the filings, they can't provide commercial service from D10 until the STA is complete, and we've seen no filing that it's complete, but then again that might be confidential.

The start of movement back to 102.815 would indicate the STA being complete, but can't yet verify that until it's above 102.65.

I was estimating the move might start Thursday or early Friday...with it being firmly in place by Monday - ready for a 6/23 activation in its permanent home. That would allow for D12 to light up its planned content on that same date.

But that's speculation based on multiple reports and limited data.
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#1030 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 07:44 PM

I was estimating the move might start Thursday or early Friday...with it being firmly in place by Monday - ready for a 6/23 activation in its permanent home. That would allow for D12 to light up its planned content on that same date.

But that's speculation based on multiple reports and limited data.

It just doesn't seem like a best practice to move from D12 to D10, and light up D12 on the same day, but anything is possible I guess.

Still thinking we may see D10 tomorrow.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:28 PM

It just doesn't seem like a best practice to move from D12 to D10, and light up D12 on the same day, but anything is possible I guess.

Still thinking we may see D10 tomorrow.

Good point - at least one day apart for sure....
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:49 PM

Just noticed that Channel 312, Hallmark Channel - SD somehow is now showing the network's HD feed.

Unfortunately, the movie is in 4.3, but the HD symbol is there - beyond the right hand edge of the picture.

No announcement has been made that the channel has been added. Is this an error?
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 09:10 PM

Just noticed that Channel 312, Hallmark Channel - SD somehow is now showing the network's HD feed.

Unfortunately, the movie is in 4.3, but the HD symbol is there - beyond the right hand edge of the picture.

No announcement has been made that the channel has been added. Is this an error?
Testing? What's going on?


Prolly just the source changed. Their SD is now a center cut of the Widescreen HD feed. Same as Fox Soccer having their HD bug in the 4x3 SD window.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 09:24 PM

Hallmark's SD feed uses letterboxing of Widescreen elements, not center cuts!

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 10:16 PM

Hallmark's SD feed uses letterboxing of Widescreen elements, not center cuts!


Channel 312 is still in SD, 480i. When and if it becomes HD it will show up as 720P or 1080i. That's what really matter, not the HD bug or aspect ratio you see.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 10:49 PM

There are two Hallmark channels. One is the Hallmark Movie Channel--sorry I forgot its' channel number--and it was part of the last group to go true HD. But the regular Hallmark channel is still in SD, but it is supposed to be going HD soon according to the Flyer that was in with my bill this month. But gee I hate that word "Soon" it can mean so many different amounts of time :(

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 11:25 PM

Channel 312 is still in SD, 480i. When and if it becomes HD it will show up as 720P or 1080i. That's what really matter, not the HD bug or aspect ratio you see.

The issue would be for the SD viewers ... if DirecTV is taking the HD feed and center cutting it instead of continuing to air the SD feed those customers will lose out.

At the moment "Cheers" is airing and it is an SD show - with black pillarboxes on the HD feed. The Hallmark logo (and "Dad's Home" advert) is well inside the 4x3 portion of the picture. The "HD" logo is completely on the black bar. At the moment "center cut" is the same as the 4x3 feed. One would have to check during some letterbox/HD programming.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 05:57 AM

It just doesn't seem like a best practice to move from D12 to D10, and light up D12 on the same day, but anything is possible I guess.

Still thinking we may see D10 tomorrow.

Sometimes you just have that feeling ... :)

All back on D10! (previous D10 national HD that was temporarily on D12)

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 06:05 AM

Nice work Sixto, as always -right on time for Festivus next week!:)
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 06:15 AM

Nice work Sixto, as always -right on time for Festivus next week!:)

Yes, this is a very important day.

We now have 15 transponders of open and available national HD bandwidth on D12.

D12 is "live" (and has been for the D10 amelioration).

D10 is back "live" (and has all of the national HD that it had previously).

All is back to normal ... a wonderful day in the neighborhood. :)

This thread will remain open for the remainder of today (6/16), but will close at 11:59pm ET tonight.

D10 still needs to drift back to 102.815°, but for all intents and purposes, the D10 amelioration process is complete.

The future is bright, there's now plenty of national HD bandwidth!

Edited by Sixto, 16 June 2010 - 06:57 AM.

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