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Receiver-only: is it a better option now?


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Poll: Do you think that non-DVR receivers are a viable option for you? (190 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you think that non-DVR receivers are a viable option for you?

  1. Yes ... as long as there's a DVR or two, a non-DVR is good (91 votes [47.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.89%

  2. No ... it's DVR or nothing! (99 votes [52.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.11%

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#26 OFFLINE   Steve

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 06:54 AM

Agreed. That, and the six-second replay. I have an H24 in my office and every once in a while I'll miss a line and want to rewind to listen again, but can't.

+3. I'm forced to pay more attention to what I'm watching live on an H24 for that very reason. Fortunately, we mostly watch recorded material.

I will say the diminutive size of the H24 box is great for locations where you may want to "hide" the box.
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#27 ONLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:01 AM

With 2 (or more) HD DVRs in play....HD receivers are quite sufficient for the remainder of Whole Home. I'd place 2 as the minimum for HD DVRs...one as a backup should something happen to the other....but otherwise...HD receivers everywhere else is now adequate.
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#28 OFFLINE   mikeny

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:06 AM

The receiver is just fine for playback of recordings. I don't really ever watch live TV. However the DVRs don't have an infinite amount of space or tuners so I like to have at least 2 (soon a third HD) one to manage that as necessary.

The DVR to DVR MRV function as well as the exponential storage capacity internally or externally is what separates DirecTV MRV from FiOS MRV Lite.
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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:10 AM

The receiver is just fine for playback of recordings. I don't really ever watch live TV. However the DVRs don't have an infinite amount of space or tuners so I like to have at least 2 (soon a third HD) one to manage that as necessary.

The DVR to DVR MRV function as well as the exponential storage capacity internally or externally is what separates DirecTV MRV from FiOS MRV Lite.

You can do external storage (eSata) up to 2TB on DirecTV HD DVRs, so with 2 HD DVR units (4TB)...that's a ton of storage...if you "need" that much.
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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:13 AM

I voted DVR or nothing, but that could change if the HMC30 meets two requirements:

1) At least 4 tuners (preferably 8)
2) HMC30 clients can do the following: live buffering, pause live TV, trick play, DoublePlay, mid-show recording w/ buffer retrieval.

If the HMC30 meets these needs, I would be more than happy to switch the HMC30 plus client(s).

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:22 AM

Need DVRs more recordings at once, more space for recordings

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#32 OFFLINE   TBlazer07

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:26 AM

The more tuners the merrier PLUS REDUNDANCY with multiple DVR's.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:28 AM

I voted DVR or nothing, but that could change if the HMC30 meets two requirements:

1) At least 4 tuners (preferably 8)
2) HMC30 clients can do the following: live buffering, pause live TV, trick play, DoublePlay, mid-show recording w/ buffer retrieval.

If the HMC30 meets these needs, I would be more than happy to switch the HMC30 plus client(s).



Except if the HMC-whatever craps out your dead on every TV. With multiple DVR's or even multiple receivers @ 1 DVR at least you can watch TV.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:56 AM

The DirecTV distributed client/server architecture of a mixed DVR and non-DVR environment can be a nicely designed and very flexible architecture for both homogeneous and heterogeneous households.

For those with simple setups, a single DVR with clients may be perfect.

For more tuners/redundancy/functionality(pause, DP, ...), add another DVR.

For those with different preference groups, assign one DVR per group, or more then one if backup is required.

Meanwhile, if desired, every recording can be seen by every receiver/DVR, no matter the complexity.

Overall, a perfect client/server architecture.

The only deficiency (personal opinion) is the lack of ability to specify a single or subset group of DVRs from a remote site, then it would be truly perfect and flexible for most every possibility, including the most complex. Personally, just single DVR selection is needed here, but do understand that others may have more complex desires. And then there's always the discussion of personal Playlists.

For this household, the architecture is one DVR per major viewing location and/or heterogeneous group (total of 4), and then one non-DVR for each casual viewing location (total of 3). Spread very nicely, and with some redundancy as well.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:03 AM

A few months ago I tried out U-verse. Their whole home DVR is basically a single DVR and then receivers in the rest of the rooms.

Let's just say, it was disconnected in a matter of hours. Not days even - hours. No pausing/rewinding liveTV was HUGE. No DLB. And their version of MRV wasn't great.

Nope, gotta have DVR's in each room.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:08 AM

Currently have 3 HD-dvr's, but I'm thinking about replacing one of them with an H24. Have not needed more than 4 tuners at a time over the past 3 years, and rarely use the pause live tv feature on the HD-dvr I will be replacing.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:17 AM

I voted for DVR's. I am going to see if MRV for $3 a month is ok or if I should just get another DVR and pay the extra $2 and have 2 more tuners and another hard drive. Pausing and rewinding live is very important in this house.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:35 AM

for both homogeneous and heterogeneous households.


No need to start name calling.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:50 AM

More DVR. Why?

- Pause live TV
- Dual Live Buffers
- More DVRs = more capacity = more shows which can be recorded


This about says it for me, too. Thanks tfed!
Easy way to get more capacity w/o goint the external HD route.
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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:50 AM

3 words....

pause live tv



No doubt. Couldn't watch tv without it!

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 09:04 AM

netraa getting a lot of love for that post!

While I agree with that, and even caught myself trying to rewind one day, I still really like using my H21-100. Especially the remote schedule, Which is probably in the pipeline someday for the HR's

So I said yes in the poll as long as I can keep the 3 DVR's on the network, and still see the recordings. Hello, garage TV! I don't "need" a DVR out there. But my H21 is darn near as fast as my HR24, not quite but close, that's another reason.


This is pretty much how I see it, when the garage tv comes into play, when I decide to put a receiver in my office and when I decide to put a receiver in my kitchen they now can all be non-dvr's. I now believe I have enough recordable tuners to justify regular receivers, not to mention the places I would consider a new receiver size matters. Kitchen has a 19" 720p tv, I don't really want a large box visible.

My kitchen only has ota, my office can only watch what what is on the basement receiver and I have nothing yet in my garage.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 09:14 AM

No need to start name calling.


:lol::lol: Not that it's a bad thing.:rolleyes:;) Oh and DVR's for me. I need multiple tuners. 6 seems to do the job quite nicely.
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Posted 16 May 2010 - 09:49 AM

To each his own. The only live TV I typically watch are sports events, so I never use the pause Live TV function and often forget I even have the capability in the first place. For me one DVR is certainly sufficient, particularly when a lot of cable shows are repeated in the early morning hours. I can't understand why some people need 6,8,10 tuners -- what are you recording every show on television? lol. I'd much rather save the $$ myself. MRV has been a real godsend in that department, even $3 a month is reasonable for the function it provides.

But as they say, whatever floats your boat.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 09:51 AM

I just ordered the deca upgrade added in a HD box only for the kitchen. They gave me the box free with the upgrade. A dvr would have cost $99 didnt feel like paying that much for a box that wont be watched much and when it is it will probaly be recording off of the 2 dvrs I have.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 09:59 AM

To each his own. I can't understand why some people need 6,8,10 tuners -- what are you recording every show on television? lol. I'd much rather save the $$ myself. MRV has been a real godsend in that department, even $3 a month is reasonable for the function it provides.

But as they say, whatever floats your boat.


Once you pay the inital lease fee for your second/third/forth HDDVR there are not extra DVR fees. (Only one DVR fee) You pay the leased receiver fee for each additional receiver and that's it. To answer your question on why so many tuners, yes we record just about everything we watch and never have to choose one show over another. My kids can record movies (if we ok them) and not have to stay up past bedtime to watch them. I record shows my wife doesn't like and she does the same, we can watch them quicker if they are recorded and keeps the family happy.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 10:56 AM

I was just discussing this with a friend. As expected, the lack of a live buffer seems to be the biggest reason to stay with DVR's at each location. So why not add just enough memory to the non-dvr boxes to store the buffers or have the option to use a usb drive to buffer as I have heard suggested here before? IMO, this would hold more true to "Whole Home DVR Service" considering well DVR's are able to pause live tv. As it is now it is more of a video streaming service other than the ability to schedule recordings from the non-dvr.

I voted DVR or nothing but only because of the lack of the buffer. I would actually prefer the non-dvr due to the ability to schedule to any dvr but the lack of buffer trumps that.
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Posted 16 May 2010 - 11:07 AM

Just thought I'd note my half-way success at this point - in support of why I prefer a DVR at both of my locations.

I went the email route in getting D* to activate my 2 receivers. Sent 'em an email last night - both were ready to run through the drill, this morning.

We have one in the guesthouse - currently occupied by kin - one in the living room. Both are setup with Linksys gaming adaptors for DOD and they logged into MRV easy as pie, this morning. We have 2 wireless networks: one G, one N, so visitors who might not have computers running 80211.n won't slow down our usual network. The 80211.n network runs at 5.0mhz and that's where we've connected the Linksys adaptors.

The strongest signal is the LR box and that one streams SD and HD just fine from the guesthouse. The Linksys adaptor not only is farther away in the guesthouse, for appearance sake it's pretty well buried behind some gear which might further mask signals from the wireless router back here in my study.

It receives SD just fine; but, won't buffer successfully most of the time on HD.

I plan to use the 2 extra tuners to record additional matches during the World Cup - and we won't have guests, then, so no worries about folks wanting to record something else. Same use will function during the 2010-2011 EPL season and whatever other leagues we get for the next season.

Now that I'm up and running, I may try to tweak and tune connections to allow easy MRV use in both directions. I can see folks recording and watching something they recommend to folks at the other location - and simply streaming it across the courtyard.

You never can have too many tuners. :)

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 11:09 AM

For me it made a difference. We aleady had two DVRs and an HD receiver. When I was thinking about adding a 4th receiver, I ended up getting another HD receiver vice a DVR. Without MRV I am sure I would have gotten another DVR.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 11:22 AM

Would you want to go to fewer DVRs and more receivers?


NOPE!!


HMC being a POSSIBLE exception....

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:02 PM

DVR or nothing here, same reasons as stated previously though. Pause live tv, replay, just more available tuners in case of conflicts.
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