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Receiver-only: is it a better option now?


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Poll: Do you think that non-DVR receivers are a viable option for you? (190 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you think that non-DVR receivers are a viable option for you?

  1. Yes ... as long as there's a DVR or two, a non-DVR is good (91 votes [47.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.89%

  2. No ... it's DVR or nothing! (99 votes [52.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.11%

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#51 OFFLINE   Shades228

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 08:33 PM

You should have made an option for people who live in an MPEG 4 market. It changes your opinion when you get nothing but HD equipment anyways.

I voted DVR only because for $30 more a HD DVR is a great deal.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 09:12 PM

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pause live tv


Bingo. I have an HR21 (original MRV test unit ;)) in my office and at least once daily I try and rewind something I am watching. Hopefully it will soon be retired and replaced by an HR24.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 07:29 AM

It sounds like what some people could use would be what would basically be a crippled DVR. A single tuner with either a few gigs of RAM or a flash based storage with no ability to permanently hold recordings, but pause and buffer functionality for an hour or so of live programing. A bonus to this would be an option to transfer a show in the buffer to a DVR, and possibly have it take over recording duties.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 07:40 AM

It sounds like what some people could use would be what would basically be a crippled DVR. A single tuner with either a few gigs of RAM or a flash based storage with no ability to permanently hold recordings, but pause and buffer functionality for an hour or so of live programing. A bonus to this would be an option to transfer a show in the buffer to a DVR, and possibly have it take over recording duties.


I think this is exactly what people will want. No need to store recordings on the clients as you will have DVR's or HMC in the future but I don't know anyone who would be happy with NOT being able to pause live tv. An ideal setup would be the HMC (assuming it has enough tuners) with small clients in each room but ALSO with the ability to pause live tv at each location. You would only need enough memory to store a single 90 minute buffer.
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Posted 17 May 2010 - 09:08 AM

I still prefer being able to access trick play when watching TV. Since the non-DVR's lack that feature, they're not something I'd really consider.

Plus, more DVR's mean more recording capacity and more tuners to record with thereby reducing the chance of having both tuners recording while I'm trying to watch a 3rd program live.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 09:21 AM

I have three DVRs in two rooms right now. I am going to be spending more time in a third room and plan to eventually hook it up. I will probably put a receiver in there or take one of the DVRs from the living room and put it there, replacing the DVR with a receiver. More likely to do so because of MRV. But it all depends on the deal I get when I add the extra room.
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Posted 17 May 2010 - 11:15 AM

+ Whatever number we are on now for pause/rewind live TV.

I just wish I had the feature on the radio in my car (I actually look at my radio every time I'm in the car for the feature). Call it a necessity for the constant multitasker.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 11:44 AM

I see only one advantage of a receiver over DVR - you can setup an MRV recording from a receiver but not from a DVR. Otherwise the lease fee is the same and upfront cost for a DVR over receiver is minimal or non existent.
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Posted 17 May 2010 - 11:35 PM

I voted all DVR. As so many others have noted, the important features are being able to pause live TV, and being able to scroll back in the buffer. Those are features I use regularly, daily.

If/when the HMCxx series becomes available with client devices of whatever type, if there is not a dedicated live tuner WITH BUFFER available to each client device, I'm not sure it would be attractive to me.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 06:16 AM

I think I'll stick to DVR's as much as possible.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:10 AM

I voted no for now. Pausing live TV, with a little trickplay, and DoublePlay is a must and until a receiver can do that, I'm stickin' to DVRs. ;)

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:17 AM

I almost see the point of going to 1 DVR but like the rest said, pausing Live TV would be the issue. If they could figure a way with maybe some flash memory to hold a 10-15 min pause buffer, i could be happy with 1 DVR

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:29 AM

I just got our 5th DVR (for the two of us). More capacity for the upcoming TDF.

I remember having the HR21 when testing of MRV began and generally being fooled with no trickplay on live TV. With the same monthly fee and marginal up front or no difference, I vote DVRs all the way.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 11:32 AM

If there was a central DVR that had 4 tuners.. then I would just use regular boxes to stream or watch live tv.

A better option.. a central DVR with enough tuners to record TV and watch live.. so the individual boxes at each TV were so dumbed down that they just clients for live and recorded tv :)

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:34 PM

[...] A better option.. a central DVR with enough tuners to record TV and watch live.. so the individual boxes at each TV were so dumbed down that they just clients for live and recorded tv :)

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:43 PM

DVR is much better, not only for more recording capacity, trick-play, and DLB, as mentioned, but also for cast&crew information and pictures on info screens.
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Posted 22 May 2010 - 06:43 AM

From what I know the DVR can only support one client at a time, so for me it would have to at least be a one for one option. Add to this the benefit to price ratio of trick play, dual buffers etc. and for me it's a no brainer, DVRs all the way.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 06:52 AM

If you have 2 locations, I say make both DVRs, but as I have three, it's no question the third be a receiver. The quality of MRV over DECA has been superb.


I think you have hit on the cross-over point. With only two locations, I'd have both of them DVR, but once I hit 3 DVRs and wanted sat in the bedroom, a receiver made the most sense. The way I look at it, is in a low intensity, but frequent use location (such as one hour every night in a bedroom), a receiver makes the most sense. (assuming one already has at least two or three DVRs)

In other words, stand alone receivers have their place, and MRV makes them perfectly suited to some situations. When I upgrade from my home network to SWM/DECA, I could easily change the bedroom receiver to a DVR,but with MRV working so well (even with my home network), I see no reason to change anything for one hour per night.
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Posted 22 May 2010 - 08:41 AM

I almost see the point of going to 1 DVR but like the rest said, pausing Live TV would be the issue. If they could figure a way with maybe some flash memory to hold a 10-15 min pause buffer, i could be happy with 1 DVR

I would want more than fifteen minutes.

I would also want to have DoublePlay, so that would be two buffers, but that's purely subjective.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 08:46 AM

3 words....

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:11 AM

Until DirecTV comes out with the RVU compliant hardware, so I can have a thin client that can perform all the standard DVR functions I'm staying with a DVR.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:27 AM

Until DirecTV comes out with the RVU compliant hardware, so I can have a thin client that can perform all the standard DVR functions I'm staying with a DVR.

Well, DirecTV is part of the RVU Alliance. We could see that with introduction of the whole home dvr.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:36 AM

Well, DirecTV is part of the RVU Alliance. We could see that with introduction of the whole home dvr.

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Well aware of it since there's videos of a whole home DVR and client that was showed at CES on the RVU web site.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:40 AM

From what has been stated so far, it seems obvious that viewing habits/preferences dictate most of the responses and there are many preferences. It does seem that a couple of 'features' COULD be added to the existing hardware that might defuse some of these concerns. With the performance of the SWiM/DECA implementation, you could implement the 'pause live TV' function in an environment with mixed DVR/receivers by having the receiver 'smarts' to look for an available tuner on one DVR in the 'system' and record the paused segment that the receiver desires. In my situation, I have 2 DVR's & 2 receiver's and most often have a tuner available (however NOT guaranteed). Since the receivers can already remote schedule, this doesn't seem to be a significant effort. For those wanting remote scheduling on the DVR, some of these requirements in the firmware kind of dovetail (IMHO). The fundamental issue would seem to be traffic management in the network (since DVR's are limited to one output stream) but it seems D* is going to have to solve this issue for other reasons as well. Just my thoughts.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 04:32 PM

Probably a few of you remember the days when you did your home computing on a terminal with essentially no processing power, and a big ibm 360 in a computing center did the processing for many "thin" clients. Why don't we do it that way any more? (1) People don't like the loss of control. (2) The price advantage of thin clients tends to disappear as local processing costs go down. Yet the thin client idea just won't die, because DP professionals seem to find central processing so seductive. For a time, Sun Microsystems was promoting thin window system clients -- but where are they now? I don't think there is any future in non-DVRs that use facilities of DVRs in neighboring rooms. When I'm trying to use my H21 to schedule a recording on my wife's HR20 in the next room, its just irritating to be told I can't do it because of a scheduling conflict. I can't tell what the conflict is or do anything constructive about it from where I am.
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