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Receiver-only: is it a better option now?


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Poll: Do you think that non-DVR receivers are a viable option for you? (190 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you think that non-DVR receivers are a viable option for you?

  1. Yes ... as long as there's a DVR or two, a non-DVR is good (91 votes [47.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.89%

  2. No ... it's DVR or nothing! (99 votes [52.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.11%

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#61 OFFLINE   Mike Bertelson

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:10 AM

I voted no for now. Pausing live TV, with a little trickplay, and DoublePlay is a must and until a receiver can do that, I'm stickin' to DVRs. ;)

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#62 OFFLINE   compnurd

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:17 AM

I almost see the point of going to 1 DVR but like the rest said, pausing Live TV would be the issue. If they could figure a way with maybe some flash memory to hold a 10-15 min pause buffer, i could be happy with 1 DVR

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:29 AM

I just got our 5th DVR (for the two of us). More capacity for the upcoming TDF.

I remember having the HR21 when testing of MRV began and generally being fooled with no trickplay on live TV. With the same monthly fee and marginal up front or no difference, I vote DVRs all the way.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 11:32 AM

If there was a central DVR that had 4 tuners.. then I would just use regular boxes to stream or watch live tv.

A better option.. a central DVR with enough tuners to record TV and watch live.. so the individual boxes at each TV were so dumbed down that they just clients for live and recorded tv :)

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:34 PM

[...] A better option.. a central DVR with enough tuners to record TV and watch live.. so the individual boxes at each TV were so dumbed down that they just clients for live and recorded tv :)

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:43 PM

DVR is much better, not only for more recording capacity, trick-play, and DLB, as mentioned, but also for cast&crew information and pictures on info screens.
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Posted 22 May 2010 - 06:43 AM

From what I know the DVR can only support one client at a time, so for me it would have to at least be a one for one option. Add to this the benefit to price ratio of trick play, dual buffers etc. and for me it's a no brainer, DVRs all the way.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 06:52 AM

If you have 2 locations, I say make both DVRs, but as I have three, it's no question the third be a receiver. The quality of MRV over DECA has been superb.


I think you have hit on the cross-over point. With only two locations, I'd have both of them DVR, but once I hit 3 DVRs and wanted sat in the bedroom, a receiver made the most sense. The way I look at it, is in a low intensity, but frequent use location (such as one hour every night in a bedroom), a receiver makes the most sense. (assuming one already has at least two or three DVRs)

In other words, stand alone receivers have their place, and MRV makes them perfectly suited to some situations. When I upgrade from my home network to SWM/DECA, I could easily change the bedroom receiver to a DVR,but with MRV working so well (even with my home network), I see no reason to change anything for one hour per night.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 08:41 AM

I almost see the point of going to 1 DVR but like the rest said, pausing Live TV would be the issue. If they could figure a way with maybe some flash memory to hold a 10-15 min pause buffer, i could be happy with 1 DVR

I would want more than fifteen minutes.

I would also want to have DoublePlay, so that would be two buffers, but that's purely subjective.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 08:46 AM

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:11 AM

Until DirecTV comes out with the RVU compliant hardware, so I can have a thin client that can perform all the standard DVR functions I'm staying with a DVR.

See post My Setup for configuration info.


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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:27 AM

Until DirecTV comes out with the RVU compliant hardware, so I can have a thin client that can perform all the standard DVR functions I'm staying with a DVR.

Well, DirecTV is part of the RVU Alliance. We could see that with introduction of the whole home dvr.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:36 AM

Well, DirecTV is part of the RVU Alliance. We could see that with introduction of the whole home dvr.

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Well aware of it since there's videos of a whole home DVR and client that was showed at CES on the RVU web site.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 09:40 AM

From what has been stated so far, it seems obvious that viewing habits/preferences dictate most of the responses and there are many preferences. It does seem that a couple of 'features' COULD be added to the existing hardware that might defuse some of these concerns. With the performance of the SWiM/DECA implementation, you could implement the 'pause live TV' function in an environment with mixed DVR/receivers by having the receiver 'smarts' to look for an available tuner on one DVR in the 'system' and record the paused segment that the receiver desires. In my situation, I have 2 DVR's & 2 receiver's and most often have a tuner available (however NOT guaranteed). Since the receivers can already remote schedule, this doesn't seem to be a significant effort. For those wanting remote scheduling on the DVR, some of these requirements in the firmware kind of dovetail (IMHO). The fundamental issue would seem to be traffic management in the network (since DVR's are limited to one output stream) but it seems D* is going to have to solve this issue for other reasons as well. Just my thoughts.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 04:32 PM

Probably a few of you remember the days when you did your home computing on a terminal with essentially no processing power, and a big ibm 360 in a computing center did the processing for many "thin" clients. Why don't we do it that way any more? (1) People don't like the loss of control. (2) The price advantage of thin clients tends to disappear as local processing costs go down. Yet the thin client idea just won't die, because DP professionals seem to find central processing so seductive. For a time, Sun Microsystems was promoting thin window system clients -- but where are they now? I don't think there is any future in non-DVRs that use facilities of DVRs in neighboring rooms. When I'm trying to use my H21 to schedule a recording on my wife's HR20 in the next room, its just irritating to be told I can't do it because of a scheduling conflict. I can't tell what the conflict is or do anything constructive about it from where I am.
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Posted 22 May 2010 - 04:42 PM

Until DirecTV comes out with the RVU compliant hardware, so I can have a thin client that can perform all the standard DVR functions I'm staying with a DVR.

I prefer having redundancy using 2 HD DVRs and "x" number of HD receivers. The odds of downtime/missing something are far lower.

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 05:06 PM

need 6 tuners for recording here.. but H24 is nice for bedroom, nice and quiet..

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