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Why didn't they put a 1TB+ drive in the HR24?


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#21 OFFLINE   Mike Bertelson

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:19 AM

Which is why I was so candid about where I came up with that number. :D

Well, then you really can't put it out there as if you're stating a fact (in your initial post). :D

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:21 AM

It's looks like most, if not all, of the actual reasons have now been stated.

1. Most of the user population are fine with 100 hours of HD, thus the 500GB to 1TB cost delta becomes savings, which probably equates to tens of millions of dollars of savings.

2. The supply chain stays simple. One mainstream DVR model to design, build, stock/inventory, deploy, maintain, service/swap.

A Pro model would be nice, but analysis may have shown that advanced users just do e-SATA or will do MRV, without much complaint.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:24 AM

I've read it will be a 2 TB on the HMC...


I don't remember reading that anywhere, do you have a link?
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:26 AM

It comes down to what the competition has and if you look at the current website bragging about the HR22 and up having the "two times more DVR storage than cable", you'll understand why they don't feel the need to go larger at this time.

You have to remember that DIRECTV is very motivated to NOT differentiate between receivers. The HR24's defining difference is built-in DECA. Those in the know know better but not talking about other advantages (like not promoting the HR23's wide band tuners) avoids people clamoring for particular models (especially as replacements).

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:26 AM

maybe over a long run they found twin platter 500gb to have better longevity and thermals then 3 platter or high density 1tb drive.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:33 AM

I don't care about the percentage of the customers who are in the minority but just give us the Option to keep us happy so we don't have to Perform the Upgrade ourselves.

That is why alot of car manufacturers give you the Option of Upgrading to a larger engine if you want to pay for it.


Car manufacturers are able to markup the options a bunch, each sale is individually made with a salesman, etc. And even then you have two choices--take what is on the "lot" (which is bigger with dealer trades) or wait months for the car with the options you want to be made.

The whole car maker model is completely different than the mass production of consumer electronics model. Every penny (literally) counts.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:34 AM

maybe over a long run they found twin platter 500gb to have better longevity and thermals then 3 platter or high density 1tb drive.

I believe the HR24 is one-platter 500GB. ST3500312CS.

It's the thin Pipeline drive.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:34 AM

Can't you already go to a place like Solid Signal and lease upgraded units from them? If you don't want an external drive and you don't own your unit to do a drive upgrade it seems there is still an avenue to get what you want.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:42 AM

Can't you already go to a place like Solid Signal and lease upgraded units from them? If you don't want an external drive and you don't own your unit to do a drive upgrade it seems there is still an avenue to get what you want.


I don't think SolidSignal has upgraded units, but Weaknees has HR24s with up to 2 TB drives (at a price, of course).

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:59 AM

Why not give us the Option of buying an HR24-500 with either a 500 Gig or 1 TB Drive and let us pay for whatever we want so we don't have to go to the trouble of Upgrading the Hard Drive ourselves.


Didn't you already do that ;) .. seems like an option. :P
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:02 AM

$10-$20 per unit adds up real quick.


So does that $3 monthly MRV fee.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:05 AM

So does that $3 monthly MRV fee.

Yep, with all 7 receivers sharing content in this house, a great option indeed!

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:13 AM

I don't think SolidSignal has upgraded units, but Weaknees has HR24s with up to 2 TB drives (at a price, of course).


Yup, I think you are right. I had right idea wrong place.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:16 AM

I believe the HR24 is one-platter 500GB. ST3500312CS.

It's the thin Pipeline drive.


This sounds right although I'm unsure on specifics .. I think the theory is that single platter drives make less noise.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:18 AM

I'm satisfied with the 300 gb capacity of my HR20-700. It's usually well under 50% full but will occasionally go higher when there's a free premium movie channel weekend.

That said, one reason I'm not planning to switch to FiOS anytime soon is the small size of their DVR's hard disk. Another reason is that despite their come-on offers I really wouldn't save any money by switching.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:34 AM

Don't forget 500GB is still a lot larger than cable offers. ComCrap still issues DVRS with 1##GB drives.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:38 AM

Car manufacturers are able to markup the options a bunch, each sale is individually made with a salesman, etc. And even then you have two choices--take what is on the "lot" (which is bigger with dealer trades) or wait months for the car with the options you want to be made.

The whole car maker model is completely different than the mass production of consumer electronics model. Every penny (literally) counts.

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Looks who's making moiney, DTV or the auto manufacturers.:D

#38 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:43 AM

Looks who's making moiney, DTV or the auto manufacturers.:D


:D

By the way, DIRECTV does allow the external option. Yes, it would be nice if completely supported, yet it can be done now. If there were larger hard drives inside, the larger the unused space by putting an external drive on... :)

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:49 AM

:D

By the way, DIRECTV does allow the external option. Yes, it would be nice if completely supported, yet it can be done now. If there were larger hard drives inside, the larger the unused space by putting an external drive on... :)

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For $700 the OP can go to Weaknees and get an HR24 with a 2TB drive. 90 day warranty but then he is on his own.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 11:56 AM

My thinking goes in the other direction...
Why not make a dvr with NO internal hard drive for those who would like to use a large esata drive? D* and customer could save some money and the customer wouldn't be wasting the internal hard drive.
This would really be nice if D* would ever allow esatas to be linked to a customer account as opposed to the dvr.
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