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Why didn't they put a 1TB+ drive in the HR24?


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#26 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:33 AM

I don't care about the percentage of the customers who are in the minority but just give us the Option to keep us happy so we don't have to Perform the Upgrade ourselves.

That is why alot of car manufacturers give you the Option of Upgrading to a larger engine if you want to pay for it.


Car manufacturers are able to markup the options a bunch, each sale is individually made with a salesman, etc. And even then you have two choices--take what is on the "lot" (which is bigger with dealer trades) or wait months for the car with the options you want to be made.

The whole car maker model is completely different than the mass production of consumer electronics model. Every penny (literally) counts.

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#27 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:34 AM

maybe over a long run they found twin platter 500gb to have better longevity and thermals then 3 platter or high density 1tb drive.

I believe the HR24 is one-platter 500GB. ST3500312CS.

It's the thin Pipeline drive.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:34 AM

Can't you already go to a place like Solid Signal and lease upgraded units from them? If you don't want an external drive and you don't own your unit to do a drive upgrade it seems there is still an avenue to get what you want.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:42 AM

Can't you already go to a place like Solid Signal and lease upgraded units from them? If you don't want an external drive and you don't own your unit to do a drive upgrade it seems there is still an avenue to get what you want.


I don't think SolidSignal has upgraded units, but Weaknees has HR24s with up to 2 TB drives (at a price, of course).

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 09:59 AM

Why not give us the Option of buying an HR24-500 with either a 500 Gig or 1 TB Drive and let us pay for whatever we want so we don't have to go to the trouble of Upgrading the Hard Drive ourselves.


Didn't you already do that ;) .. seems like an option. :P
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#31 OFFLINE   poppo

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:02 AM

$10-$20 per unit adds up real quick.


So does that $3 monthly MRV fee.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:05 AM

So does that $3 monthly MRV fee.

Yep, with all 7 receivers sharing content in this house, a great option indeed!

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:13 AM

I don't think SolidSignal has upgraded units, but Weaknees has HR24s with up to 2 TB drives (at a price, of course).


Yup, I think you are right. I had right idea wrong place.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:16 AM

I believe the HR24 is one-platter 500GB. ST3500312CS.

It's the thin Pipeline drive.


This sounds right although I'm unsure on specifics .. I think the theory is that single platter drives make less noise.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:18 AM

I'm satisfied with the 300 gb capacity of my HR20-700. It's usually well under 50% full but will occasionally go higher when there's a free premium movie channel weekend.

That said, one reason I'm not planning to switch to FiOS anytime soon is the small size of their DVR's hard disk. Another reason is that despite their come-on offers I really wouldn't save any money by switching.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:34 AM

Don't forget 500GB is still a lot larger than cable offers. ComCrap still issues DVRS with 1##GB drives.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:38 AM

Car manufacturers are able to markup the options a bunch, each sale is individually made with a salesman, etc. And even then you have two choices--take what is on the "lot" (which is bigger with dealer trades) or wait months for the car with the options you want to be made.

The whole car maker model is completely different than the mass production of consumer electronics model. Every penny (literally) counts.

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Looks who's making moiney, DTV or the auto manufacturers.:D

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:43 AM

Looks who's making moiney, DTV or the auto manufacturers.:D


:D

By the way, DIRECTV does allow the external option. Yes, it would be nice if completely supported, yet it can be done now. If there were larger hard drives inside, the larger the unused space by putting an external drive on... :)

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:49 AM

:D

By the way, DIRECTV does allow the external option. Yes, it would be nice if completely supported, yet it can be done now. If there were larger hard drives inside, the larger the unused space by putting an external drive on... :)

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For $700 the OP can go to Weaknees and get an HR24 with a 2TB drive. 90 day warranty but then he is on his own.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 11:56 AM

My thinking goes in the other direction...
Why not make a dvr with NO internal hard drive for those who would like to use a large esata drive? D* and customer could save some money and the customer wouldn't be wasting the internal hard drive.
This would really be nice if D* would ever allow esatas to be linked to a customer account as opposed to the dvr.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 12:59 PM

I think they should have put a 1TB in standard but look how long it took them just to make a "decent" box. I don't even have one yet. The good news is that at least they let you use a bigger one if you wish. I got a 2TB drive & love it. I can record movie after movie and it hardly makes a dent.

I agree with you they should have put a 1 in but hey now you have a reason to buy buy a 2TB. I don't think I would have bought a 2TB if it came with a 1. Since I had to buy a new drive anyway I went with the biggest. I actually went with a 1.5 at first cause I got a deal on it, but the EARS drives suck for DVR's so I ended up just getting the best drive I could. The EVDS 2TB drive.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 01:14 PM

All this discussion about eSata being unsupported reminds me of a saying I once heard working in IT :

"I don't want their support, I want their "stuff" to work."

Use your imagination for the original quote.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 01:31 PM

This sounds right although I'm unsure on specifics .. I think the theory is that single platter drives make less noise.


When it stop rotating. :D

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 06:18 PM

I'm very satisfied with the 2tb drive in my HR21-700. I like being in that 1%.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 06:33 PM

I'm very satisfied with the 2tb drive in my HR21-700. I like being in that 1%.


I suspect you mean .1% :)

And congrats. As prices are dropping, I might join that group too.

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 06:46 PM

When I "buy" a car (cash or loan), I can do things like put in my own sound system.

When I "lease" a car, there are stipulations.

The same applies for DirecTV equipment. I can buy a unit and light it on fire if I want to, but if I am leasing.... its not mine to mess with. If I wanted to upgrade a drive in a DirecTV box, it would suit me to just purchase my own.

I decided that DirecTV's "whole home solution" (MRV) would be my best choice as I now have several terabytes of storage.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:02 PM

1TB drives are only about $10-20 more than 500GB drives right now.

For $700 the OP can go to Weaknees and get an HR24 with a 2TB drive. 90 day warranty but then he is on his own.

This is the real reason. It isn't cost effective.

That $10-$20 cost, by the time you get to retail, is $50-100. That is a pretty typical consumer electronics markup for manufactured goods, and a number I'm not pulling out of my ass. :grin:

That's just to cover cost. The market really charges what it can, not what it costs. Weaknees has shown that 0.001% of the market - or whatever this undocumented number is - will pay $399 for a 1TB drive. It's just too expensive compared to adding a eSATA drive for that few people who'd use the extra space.

Having a special model makes even less sense. Before the run is over, DirecTV will produce hundreds of thousands of HR24s. A special model will reduce the run by a couple of orders of magnitude. DirecTV's costs go up with a shorter run. They simply couldn't charge enough to make any money on the deal.
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:10 AM

Why not give us the Option of buying an HR24-500 with either a 500 Gig or 1 TB Drive and let us pay for whatever we want so we don't have to go to the trouble of Upgrading the Hard Drive ourselves.


(edit) sorry did not realize that someone else already mentioned this.
You can, Weaknees http://www.weaknees....ectv-hd-dvr.php sells them with up to a 2TB drive. For the price they want though it is cheaper to upgrade it yourself.

Edited by andy A, 29 May 2010 - 06:20 PM.


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Posted 29 May 2010 - 08:46 AM

Wouldn't that cost you an extra $96 per year?


$3.00 per month x 12 month = $36.00

Unless I'm missing something?

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 09:18 AM

$3.00 per month x 12 month = $36.00

Unless I'm missing something?


You are. The cost of the extra receiver.




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