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Poll: Has your DVR recovered? (257 member(s) have cast votes)

Has your DVR recovered?

  1. I have a DVR with an INTERNAL drive, and it HAS recovered (194 votes [75.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.49%

  2. I have a DVR with an INTERNAL drive, and it has NOT recovered (14 votes [5.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.45%

  3. I have a DVR with an EXTERNAL drive, and it HAS recovered (38 votes [14.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.79%

  4. I have a DVR with an EXTERNAL drive, and it has NOT recovered (11 votes [4.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.28%

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#51 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:29 AM

I was right doing it up until about 2 weeks ago (with several reboots to prove it still worked). The only reason I put the external drives inside the HR20-700s (two of them) is because the fan had failed on one of the MX1 cases. But it was working fine with the internal disconnected long after the claim was made that it would not work. <shrug>

Of course I am regretting it because the annoying 'thrashing' is even louder in the unit than in the external cases. :nono2:


Huh. I couldn't get the 20-700 to reboot with the power cord to the internal pulled. I dunno what to say.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:33 AM

I had similar issues with an HR20-700 and WD 2TB external drive... the HR20 was completely bricked.. multiple multiple RBRs, numerous power up and down with and with out the external Esata drive and nothing but a circular blue LEDs. D* replace my HR-20 with a (hopefully) refurbished one.. and it activated fine without the external drive. When I plugged in (with the HR20 powered down as well as the drive) the Esata drive, it scanned for 18 hours... detected 0 errors. gave code 75-745.... and said restart. So I did that ... and guess what .. the same scan started over. Called D* customer service and they were not helpful at all... basically saying the death of the Esata drive was my problem. I indicated that FIOS was starting to look pretty good now.

So now running WD extended diagnostics... projected time about 10 hrs. Plan to try to reconnect the drive and try again if it passes. If not guess I can format the drive and lose all my programs :<.

Very underwhelmed at the Directv response.


What model of WD HDD were you using? Wouldn't be an EARS by any chance, would it? Sounds like it. If it is an EARS model, you can run diagnostics on it for the next year or so, it's still not gonna work in an HR.

D* has never said it supported the eSATA function, the response you got was proper.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:37 AM

Start a eSATA fee. :lol:


The big mistake they made was suggesting the two eSATAs in the first place. I know that Seagate has little or no interest in their Showcase eSATA and, while the WD that D* suggested does seem to work properly, with that 1TB HDD in it why would you spend the money on it? Remember, it was only a suggestion. I know they meant well, but they shouldn't have done it.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:41 AM

The big mistake they made was suggesting the two eSATAs in the first place. I know that Seagate has little or no interest in their Showcase eSATA and, while the WD that D* suggested does seem to work properly, with that 1TB HDD in it why would you spend the money on it? Remember, it was only a suggestion. I know they meant well, but they shouldn't have done it.

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Good points Rich.

In my case...my 1TB Hitachi has worked flawlessly (and cool and quiet) as an internal HR2x drive for some time now. Sometimes it comes down to specific makes/models to get compatibility. I consider you one of the better experts on that front. :)
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:46 AM

Good points Rich.

In my case...my 1TB Hitachi has worked flawlessly (and cool and quiet) as an internal HR2x drive for some time now. Sometimes it comes down to specific makes/models to get compatibility. I consider you one of the better experts on that front. :)


Thanx. Appreciate that thought, I do. :)

I've been tempted to try one of the Hitachi HDDs for some time. But I'm hooked on the WDs and will be replacing my Seagate internals with WDs in the near future. More money flying out the window. :lol:

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 08:50 AM

Thanx. Appreciate that thought, I do. :)

I've been tempted to try one of the Hitachi HDDs for some time. But I'm hooked on the WDs and will be replacing my Seagate internals with WDs in the near future. More money flying out the window. :lol:

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I can understand that.

I have traditionally been successful with Seagates in the past, but over time, have moved to WD and Hitachi drives...both with success. Ive seen those two manufacturers seem to have better results with cool temps, reliable operations, and low noise.

But you da man, when it comes to the universe of hard drives. :D
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 10:02 AM

I can understand that.

I have traditionally been successful with Seagates in the past, but over time, have moved to WD and Hitachi drives...both with success. Ive seen those two manufacturers seem to have better results with cool temps, reliable operations, and low noise.

But you da man, when it comes to the universe of hard drives. :D


A couple of my Seagates that were so silent are now chattering and my two WD 2TBs are close to silent, so I do have a reason for replacing the drives. What surprises me is that with TiVos, I had more trouble with WD HDDs than any other HDD with the exception of Samsung HDDs. Never had much problem with Seagates. But, it seems as if WD has surpassed Seagate when it comes to silent running and cooling. The two 20-700s that I have internal WD 2TBs in are running at a steady 120 degrees. The other seven run at about an average of 127 degrees. Does that affect the chattering? I don't know, but the WDs don't chatter as the Seagates do.

How much cooler do the HRs with the Hitachis run at?

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 11:08 AM

My WD is a model WDH2Q20000N My Book Studio Edition II... it worked fine for more than a year with no issues. I would agree that if I had gone to Best Buy and bought a drive and it turned out to be not compatible -- I would not expect support for that. But to send out a software / data update that killed 1/3 of HR's with external drives (based on the survey in this thread) would seem to implicate D* with some degree of accountability.

Drive passed extended test with no issues and is about 30% thru its 2nd 18 hour scan...next step is to zero the data and see if that works.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 12:35 PM

A couple of my Seagates that were so silent are now chattering and my two WD 2TBs are close to silent, so I do have a reason for replacing the drives. What surprises me is that with TiVos, I had more trouble with WD HDDs than any other HDD with the exception of Samsung HDDs. Never had much problem with Seagates. But, it seems as if WD has surpassed Seagate when it comes to silent running and cooling. The two 20-700s that I have internal WD 2TBs in are running at a steady 120 degrees. The other seven run at about an average of 127 degrees. Does that affect the chattering? I don't know, but the WDs don't chatter as the Seagates do.

How much cooler do the HRs with the Hitachis run at?

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My HR2x's (containing Hitachi drives) run about 112-113 degrees - both in rack mounts. Top temp ever was 116 (once).
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 01:05 PM

My HR2x's (containing Hitachi drives) run about 112-113 degrees - both in rack mounts. Top temp ever was 116 (once).


They are not 20-700s are they?

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 01:11 PM

My WD is a model WDH2Q20000N My Book Studio Edition II... it worked fine for more than a year with no issues. I would agree that if I had gone to Best Buy and bought a drive and it turned out to be not compatible -- I would not expect support for that. But to send out a software / data update that killed 1/3 of HR's with external drives (based on the survey in this thread) would seem to implicate D* with some degree of accountability.

Drive passed extended test with no issues and is about 30% thru its 2nd 18 hour scan...next step is to zero the data and see if that works.


Not many people have gotten the My Book eSATAs to work. I gotta feeling you might have been lucky, real lucky, to have it work for a year. I bought a My Book when it first came out and I think I might have been the first to post about them on the forum. I called WD and asked them why it wouldn't work and they told me that no My Book eSATA would work with a DVR. You're probably the third or fourth person that I've seen post that actually had one work.

I do agree with you about the accountability of D* when it comes to wrecking eSATAs. But, without support, it's always been a crapshoot.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 01:16 PM

They are not 20-700s are they?

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One was, the other no.

I moved the original one into an HR21-200.
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 01:23 PM

My HR2x's (containing Hitachi drives) run about 112-113 degrees - both in rack mounts. Top temp ever was 116 (once).


My HR24-500 running with a 2TB WD20EADS is running at 126 Degrees which seems to be high even though it is sitting on a Cool Deck with fans which is used for cooling PCs.

My HR23-700 sitting under it is running at 116 Degrees so Go Figure!!! :)
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 01:26 PM

My HR24-500 running with a 2TB WD20EADS is running at 126 Degrees which seems to be high even though it is sitting on a Cool Deck with fans which is used for cooling PCs.

My HR23-700 sitting under it is running at 116 Degrees so Go Figure!!! :)

Two words....

Heat rises... :D
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 02:07 PM

Well, Yes I did figure out that but with the separation by the Cool Deck with Fans under it I wouldn't think that they should be 8 Degrees different in their readings!!!
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 02:12 PM

One was, the other no.

I moved the original one into an HR21-200.


So you got a 20-700 to run at less than 116 degrees with the Hitachi? Or am I not understanding you?

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 02:23 PM

My HR24-500 running with a 2TB WD20EADS is running at 126 Degrees which seems to be high even though it is sitting on a Cool Deck with fans which is used for cooling PCs.

My HR23-700 sitting under it is running at 116 Degrees so Go Figure!!! :)


And the vents on the 23 are on the sides. I wonder what the temp parameters are on the 24s?.

I've got two 20-700s stacked on top of each other, no separation at all and they both run at about 126 degrees, which is the high side of the proper temp range for the 20-700s.

What you're seeing seems a bit strange. If you put a 20-700 with a Seagate internal on top of a 20-700 with a WD EADS internal, I'd sort of expect that you'd still read about 126 for the Seagated 20-700 and about 120 degrees for the 20-700 with the WD drive. That seems logical judging from the temps that I get with the two stacked 20-700s with Seagate internals. And that's without a cooling pad.

Huh. What's normal for a 23? Anybody? What's normal for a 24? Anybody?

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 02:33 PM

Two words....

Heat rises... :D


Better to say that heat travels to cold, never cold to heat, this is a real simplistic statement. Means an awful lot tho. In Richierich's case, the DVR on top is gonna try to heat the one on the bottom. Heat travels to cold. Add to that the cooling pad, and that whole scenario is really confusing.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 02:40 PM

Well, before I installed the Cool Deck with fans I was running at 140 Degrees for the HR24-500 on top with a 2TB WD20EADS and at 126 Degrees for the HR23-700 on bottom again with a 2TB WD20EADS in it.

After opening the front doors and adding the Cool Deck the HR24 dropped to 126 Degrees and the HR23 dropped from 126 to 118 Degrees, so I wonder it the Temp Gauge is really that accurate on the HR24 or my fan is not working.
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 02:53 PM

Well, before I installed the Cool Deck with fans I was running at 140 Degrees for the HR24-500 on top with a 2TB WD20EADS and at 126 Degrees for the HR23-700 on bottom again with a 2TB WD20EADS in it.


Wow, that 140 degrees sticks right out, doesn't it? And if my 20-700s are any indication of how these things work, adding the large internal should have cooled it down. Same for the 23, I know it's not supposed to run that hot.

After opening the front doors and adding the Cool Deck the HR24 dropped to 126 Degrees and the HR23 dropped from 126 to 118 Degrees, so I wonder it the Temp Gauge is really that accurate on the HR24 or my fan is not working.


I have no idea what the ideal temp range for a 24 is. But the 23 is still running too warmly, no?

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 03:11 PM

I just checked my HR24-500 upstairs and it was running at 118 Degrees and my HR23-700 right under it was running at 118 Degrees.

Well the Internal Fan is Working Okay but the Fan in the back of my Component Rack was not plugged in so I plugged it in and now it has dropped 2 Degrees so I will monitor it and see if it get to 118 Degrees which seems to be Normal.

The HR23-700 dropped to 115 Degrees and the HR24-500 has dropped to 124 Degrees.

I am going to swap them out tomorrow and put the HR24 on the bottom and the HR23 on the top to see what that Yields temperature wise!!!

I think that if they are not in an Enclosure then the temperature should be in the 112 to 116 Degree Range which also depends upon how cool the ambient surrounding temperature is also.

Edited by Richierich, 12 June 2010 - 04:10 PM.

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 04:43 PM

Well, now my HR23-700 is at 113 Degrees and my HR24-500 is around 123 Degrees so it will be extremely interesting to see what happens when I swap them around and put the HR23 on top and the HR24 on bottom.
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 12:28 PM

Huh. I couldn't get the 20-700 to reboot with the power cord to the internal pulled. I dunno what to say.

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Just curious, did you only disconnect the power to the drive, or the data cable too? I had pulled both. I could see where it would hang if just the power was disconnected.

On the heat issue, that was one of the reasons I had the internal drives disconnected. The units barely got warm. Of course the temp reading was always wrong because it gets it from the drive (that was not connected). Now they both run at 127 degrees (stacked but separated by about 8 inches). WD 1TB drives.

On a side note, I see the % of non-recovering units is now near 10%. As noted above, even with a large margin of error, I think DirecTV has their hands full.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 01:22 PM

I have lost two external drives now, will not work with HR20-700's. I hooked both to PC with usb and the drives are ok, it appears to me that something happened to the esata interface on both drives. Tried them on two different HR20's.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 01:27 PM

So you got a 20-700 to run at less than 116 degrees with the Hitachi? Or am I not understanding you?

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The Hitachi ran about 120 degrees in the HR20, and now 113-116 with the HR21.
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