Jump to content


Welcome to DBSTalk


Sign In 

Create Account
Welcome to DBSTalk. Our community covers all aspects of video delivery solutions including: Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS), Cable Television, and Internet Protocol Television (IPTV). We also have forums to discuss popular television programs, home theater equipment, and internet streaming service providers. Members of our community include experts who can help you solve technical problems, industry professionals, company representatives, and novices who are here to learn.

Like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community. Sign-up is a free and simple process that requires minimal information. Be a part of our community by signing in or creating an account. The Digital Bit Stream starts here!
  • Reply to existing topics or start a discussion of your own
  • Subscribe to topics and forums and get email updates
  • Send private personal messages (PM) to other forum members
  • Customize your profile page and make new friends
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo

DIRECTV Satellite Discussion D-14 @99W


  • Please log in to reply
2977 replies to this topic

#26 OFFLINE   HarleyD

HarleyD

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 1,326 posts
Joined: Aug 31, 2006

Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:38 AM

My SWAG would be that Directv would have to make sure that they have their RF system specs completely nailed down by Q1 2012 to get the systems fabricated and integrated into the spacecraft bus with sufficient schedule margin to allow for any glitches. Fortunately, nothing is particularly new or different in design of the spacecraft or the payloads - it's just the combination of parts is always at least somewhat unique, and some of them might have a long lead time. Hopefully, the RF systems subcontractor to Loral already has a set of preliminary high-level specifications to work from and has pre-ordered any longer lead-time items.


I hope they get the Rally Sport package with the leather and wood interior.
"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible."
--Frank Zappa

...Ads Help To Support This Site...

#27 OFFLINE   sorrycharlie

sorrycharlie

    AllStar

  • Registered
  • 80 posts
Joined: Jul 16, 2010

Posted 28 January 2011 - 06:21 PM

I hope they get the Rally Sport package with the leather and wood interior.


Dont forget the heated seats! Its mighty cold up there! :lol:

#28 OFFLINE   yosoyellobo

yosoyellobo

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 2,221 posts
  • LocationJacksonville Fl
Joined: Nov 01, 2006

Posted 28 January 2011 - 06:38 PM

So how many new PPV will we be getting with the D14?:)

#29 ONLINE   hdtvfan0001

hdtvfan0001

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 32,410 posts
Joined: Jul 28, 2004

Posted 28 January 2011 - 06:52 PM

So how many new PPV will we be getting with the D14?:)

ZERO
DBSTalk CHAT ROOM MODERATOR
DirecTV Customer Since 1996

#30 OFFLINE   evan_s

evan_s

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 2,136 posts
Joined: Mar 03, 2008

Posted 30 January 2011 - 02:55 AM

My guess is that DirecTV-14 is going to be very similar to DirecTV-12 at 103 WL by providing Ka A-band CONUS beam service from 99 WL. Maybe a 99ca? :)

The only major difference is it will likely have a full CONUS coverage reverse-DBS band payload unlike DirecTV-12's limited 4 spotbeam RB-2A package.


That would be my guess. D12 couldn't do Conus on the reverse-DBS band because it is licensed to both a Canadian company and DirecTV. The Canadian company filed first internationally so DirecTV has to avoid interfering with them. This pretty much limits it to spot beams as you could never get proper conus coverage with out having interference problems. I predict that long term a large amount of locals will be coming from it but probably not until much close to when they will have to replace D10.

There are 2 things that give me a little pause on having both bands be conus on D14.

1) Power limitations. 14/16 KA conus tps and 18 reverse-DBS conus tps would be quite a lot of power needed and I think more than current configs use.

2) LNBs. I'm assuming we'll all need new LNBs to get the new band which means lots of service calls or limiting what it is used for somehow.

#31 OFFLINE   inkahauts

inkahauts

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 17,566 posts
Joined: Nov 13, 2006

Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:01 PM

That would be my guess. D12 couldn't do Conus on the reverse-DBS band because it is licensed to both a Canadian company and DirecTV. The Canadian company filed first internationally so DirecTV has to avoid interfering with them. This pretty much limits it to spot beams as you could never get proper conus coverage with out having interference problems. I predict that long term a large amount of locals will be coming from it but probably not until much close to when they will have to replace D10.

There are 2 things that give me a little pause on having both bands be conus on D14.

1) Power limitations. 14/16 KA conus tps and 18 reverse-DBS conus tps would be quite a lot of power needed and I think more than current configs use.

2) LNBs. I'm assuming we'll all need new LNBs to get the new band which means lots of service calls or limiting what it is used for somehow.


As I recall, the Canadian company filed a lawsuit to stop them from even testing/using spots sayign they owned all the rights to that spectrum, even in the US, and had nothing to do with conus, because they didn't build a conus transponder into that bird at all.... And then add to that that the FCC and as far as I know no one else, ever even sided with the Canadian company. In fact, on some of the reply, it kind of sounded like the FCC said, well, STFU to them because I don't think they have shown any ability to actually launch a sat and use the spectrum. So I wonder about if they won't be able to use CONUS from that location anyway... Lefty and Sixto will remember for sure.

#32 OFFLINE   morgan79

morgan79

    Legend

  • Registered
  • 116 posts
Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:16 PM

what did we get with d-12 ?????

#33 OFFLINE   allen46901

allen46901

    New Member

  • Registered
  • 4 posts
Joined: Feb 19, 2006

Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:53 PM

A freind of mine got att-uadverse - The installer told me they now own Directv. Is this true? If so then has come they have tv channels that we Directv do not have access to , such as east and west feeds of TNT or TBS?

#34 OFFLINE   Crystal Pepsi Ball

Crystal Pepsi Ball

    Godfather

  • Registered
  • 253 posts
Joined: Jun 29, 2004

Posted 30 January 2011 - 02:19 PM

A freind of mine got att-uadverse - The installer told me they now own Directv. Is this true? If so then has come they have tv channels that we Directv do not have access to , such as east and west feeds of TNT or TBS?


AT&T does not own D* as of yet.

#35 OFFLINE   HoTat2

HoTat2

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 5,693 posts
  • LocationLos Angeles, CA.
Joined: Nov 16, 2005

Posted 30 January 2011 - 02:26 PM

A freind of mine got att-uadverse - The installer told me they now own Directv. Is this true? If so then has come they have tv channels that we Directv do not have access to , such as east and west feeds of TNT or TBS?


Utter nonsense from that U-verse installer ...

DirecTV is owned by the "DirecTV Group" which is in turn controlled by Liberty Media.

http://en.wikipedia....e_DirecTV_Group

#36 OFFLINE   RAD

RAD

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 16,227 posts
  • LocationDripping Springs, TX
Joined: Aug 05, 2002

Posted 30 January 2011 - 03:22 PM

Utter nonsense from that U-verse installer ...

DirecTV is owned by the "DirecTV Group" which is in turn controlled by Liberty Media.

http://en.wikipedia....e_DirecTV_Group


IIRC Liberty is now out of the picture completly. DIRECTV now controls their own destiny.

See post My Setup for configuration info.


#37 OFFLINE   xmetalx

xmetalx

    Godfather

  • Registered
  • 289 posts
Joined: Jun 02, 2009

Posted 31 January 2011 - 10:20 PM

A freind of mine got att-uadverse - The installer told me they now own Directv. Is this true? If so then has come they have tv channels that we Directv do not have access to , such as east and west feeds of TNT or TBS?


Bahahaha, this always amuses me. ATT or Verizon claiming they own DTV. Fat chance :lol:
DirecTV employee since 2008
Opinions expressed by me are my own and do not necessarily reflect
those of DBSTalk.com, DIRECTV, Dish Network, or any other company.


There's no place like ~/

#38 OFFLINE   P Smith

P Smith

    Mr. FixAnything

  • Registered
  • 20,287 posts
  • LocationMediterranean Sea
Joined: Jul 25, 2002

Posted 31 January 2011 - 11:32 PM

Perhaps in some places AT&T offer bundle with DTV as it been here but with a competitor four years ago.


:backtotop: !!!

Edited by P Smith, 31 January 2011 - 11:38 PM.


#39 OFFLINE   cypherx

cypherx

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 3,157 posts
  • LocationPA - Berks County
Joined: Aug 27, 2010

Posted 01 February 2011 - 06:59 AM

I wish AT&T bought DirecTV. They sure have more HD channels. Plus maybe they would get the nice Mediaroom UI to work on the H2x/HR2x series receivers.

#40 OFFLINE   Doug Brott

Doug Brott

    Lifetime Achiever

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 28,930 posts
  • LocationLos Angeles
Joined: Jul 12, 2006

Posted 01 February 2011 - 09:24 AM

Perhaps in some places AT&T offer bundle with DTV as it been here but with a competitor four years ago.


:backtotop: !!!


Yup .. Let's get back to talking about DIRECTV 14 .. The newest Satellite in DIRECTV's fleet. Heck, it might not even technically be born yet, but we know it's coming.
DIRECTV Firmware Monitor - iPhone - Android - HTML5

DIRECTV employee since August 2011.
All comments are my own. Unless specifically stated, my views do NOT represent the views of DIRECTV

#41 OFFLINE   Sixto

Sixto

    Hall Of Fame

  • Topic Starter
  • DBSTalk Club
  • 12,214 posts
Joined: Nov 17, 2005

Posted 01 February 2011 - 09:51 AM

I'll be updating the background info on D14 "soon". Was going back through all the filings last night, and need to summarize it a bit.

Target: 6/2013

A few items:

Original (1/2008): http://licensing.fcc...ent_key=-141474

Grant (7/2009): http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=727403

Bond (8/2009): http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=737367

Build (7/2010): http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=837188


Edited by Sixto, 01 February 2011 - 09:58 AM.

DirecTV: Genie HR44, H25, CCK, GenioGo, SWiM-16 & SWiM-8, DECA to Gigabit Switch with FiOS (75/75)
FiOS: Roamio Pro's (2), Roamio Plus, Mini's (4) with Ultimate HD (My Roamio Thoughts)

#42 OFFLINE   Satelliteracer

Satelliteracer

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 3,042 posts
Joined: Dec 06, 2006

Posted 01 February 2011 - 04:12 PM

A freind of mine got att-uadverse - The installer told me they now own Directv. Is this true? If so then has come they have tv channels that we Directv do not have access to , such as east and west feeds of TNT or TBS?


Or why AT&T customers don't have NFL Sunday Ticket, etc, etc.

There are channels D* has that AT&T doesn't and vice versa. No one has them all.
DIRECTV employee

All comments are my own. Unless specifically stated, my views do NOT represent the views of DIRECTV

#43 OFFLINE   HoTat2

HoTat2

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 5,693 posts
  • LocationLos Angeles, CA.
Joined: Nov 16, 2005

Posted 03 February 2011 - 10:25 AM

I'll be updating the background info on D14 "soon". Was going back through all the filings last night, and need to summarize it a bit.

Target: 6/2013

A few items:

Original (1/2008): http://licensing.fcc...ent_key=-141474

Grant (7/2009): http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=727403

Bond (8/2009): http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=737367

Build (7/2010): http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=837188


Thanks for posting these memory refreshing documents Sixto. Do you have the accompanying Schedule S technical document for the "original" 1/2008 one?

Also looking at the 7/2010 "Build" document for the SS/L contract, I'm a little confused as to whether the official name this satellite is actually DirecTV-14, RB-1, or maybe both? :confused:

#44 OFFLINE   P Smith

P Smith

    Mr. FixAnything

  • Registered
  • 20,287 posts
  • LocationMediterranean Sea
Joined: Jul 25, 2002

Posted 03 February 2011 - 10:32 AM

Check D12 thread and you'll find similar duopoly in names.

#45 OFFLINE   HoTat2

HoTat2

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 5,693 posts
  • LocationLos Angeles, CA.
Joined: Nov 16, 2005

Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:09 AM

Check D12 thread and you'll find similar duopoly in names.


Well, extrapolating from DirecTV-12 I expected the new bird to be called DirecTV-14 and described in a similar manner as a "hybrid Ka/BSS satellite," but the FCC filing documentation here makes no mention of the name "DirecTV-14" and always refers to it as "RB-1"

#46 OFFLINE   doctor j

doctor j

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 1,524 posts
  • LocationBirmingham, Al.
Joined: Jun 14, 2006

Posted 03 February 2011 - 12:45 PM

Thanks for posting these memory refreshing documents Sixto. Do you have the accompanying Schedule S technical document for the "original" 1/2008 one?

Also looking at the 7/2010 "Build" document for the SS/L contract, I'm a little confused as to whether the official name this satellite is actually DirecTV-14, RB-1, or maybe both? :confused:


Try here :

http://licensing.fcc...ing_key=-115983

D12 and RB-1A were separate call signs as i recall

Doctor j

MFH-2 System : 2 Major Viewing Areas. 2 x HR20-700's & H21 in each area via E2/SWM-8. Hardwire gigabit switch to 30 mb/sec internet.


#47 OFFLINE   doctor j

doctor j

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 1,524 posts
  • LocationBirmingham, Al.
Joined: Jun 14, 2006

Posted 03 February 2011 - 12:48 PM

The schedule s documents cold be used to generate spotbeam gain maps. Anyone?

Doctor j

MFH-2 System : 2 Major Viewing Areas. 2 x HR20-700's & H21 in each area via E2/SWM-8. Hardwire gigabit switch to 30 mb/sec internet.


#48 OFFLINE   LameLefty

LameLefty

    I used to be a rocket scientist

  • Registered
  • 12,181 posts
  • LocationMiddle Tennessee
Joined: Sep 28, 2006

Posted 03 February 2011 - 01:21 PM

Try here :

http://licensing.fcc...ing_key=-115983

D12 and RB-1A were separate call signs as i recall

Doctor j


The FCC assigns separate call signs for each RF payload package. Indeed, the Directv 12 satellite bus carries 2 separate call signs, one for the Ka and one for BSS bands. The last time I dug through the authorizations, this was what I came up with:

[B][U]FCC Call Sign	Satellite Common Name[/U][/B]
S2430		Directv 4S
S2629		Directv 3
S2630		Directv 2
S2657, S2627	Directv 1
S2369		Directv 1R
S2455		Directv 7S
S2673, S2417	Directv 5
S2628, S2656	Directv 6
S2632		Directv 8 DBS
S2132 		Directv 8 Ka
S2669		Directv 9S DBS
S2689 		Directv 9S Ka
S2133 		Spaceway 2
S2191 		Spaceway 1
S2640 		Directv 11
S2641 		Directv 10
S2796		Directv 12/RB-2A (BSS)
S2797		Directv 12/RB-2A (Ka)
S2693		Directv 13  (110W) ([B]surrendered authorization[/B])
S2711		Directv 14/RB-1 (Directv BSS-99W)
S2712		RB-2 (Directv BSS-103W)
S2242		RB-3 (107W ???) ([B]surrendered authorization[/B])
S2243		RB-4 ([B]101W originally, now 110W[/B])
S2244		RB-5 (119W) ([B]surrendered authorization[/B])
S2788		Directv 97W (FSS band) ([B]dismissed by delegated authority[/B])

Edited by LameLefty, 03 February 2011 - 01:43 PM.

"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"
Directv since 1997
Will Work for Beer


#49 OFFLINE   HoTat2

HoTat2

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 5,693 posts
  • LocationLos Angeles, CA.
Joined: Nov 16, 2005

Posted 04 February 2011 - 11:56 AM

Try here :

http://licensing.fcc...ing_key=-115983 ...


Thanks for the link. :)

Though I think the Schedule S posted there is early and may have to be modified somewhat for the CONUS transponder listings at least, since they appear to number up to 20 (including two narrower 24 MHz Tps., "19A" and "20A") ranging from 17.3-17.8 GHz.

Since the actual BSS bandwidth today for CONUS is 100 MHz less at 17.3-17.7 GHz, I would guess that the RB-1 payload for DirecTV-14 will be the same 18 transponders carried by RB-2A aboard DirecTV-12.

... 12 and RB-1A were separate call signs as i recall

Doctor j


I think you meant "RB-2A" ... :)

#50 OFFLINE   HoTat2

HoTat2

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 5,693 posts
  • LocationLos Angeles, CA.
Joined: Nov 16, 2005

Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:04 PM

The schedule s documents cold be used to generate spotbeam gain maps. Anyone?

Doctor j


What real spotbeams would those be for the RB-1 payload? According to the Schedule S RB-1 will comprise only three broad national/regional coverage beams. One for the U.S., AL., and HI. Another for Mexico, and a third one for Latin America.




Protected By... spam firewall...And...