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DIRECTV Satellite Discussion D-14 @99W


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#476 OFFLINE   bobnielsen

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:20 AM

Not really forgiveness, just reflecting the ex post facto status regarding the revised regulation.

I wonder if Directv is finally planning to use RB-2A for something :confused:

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 04:00 PM

IMO, it's good sign of lit it on soon.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:54 PM

Apologies in advance if the link is wonky - you know how it is with the FCC IBFS database.

Anyway, it looks like the end of the road for Directv 1R. It's been at the nominal 110ºW slot for awhile but now looks as though it will be raised to a disposal orbit in another 60 days or so.

October 1999 - July 2012 - Not a bad run for the old bird.

http://licensing.fcc...erC/File Number

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:05 PM

Apologies in advance if the link is wonky - you know how it is with the FCC IBFS database.

Anyway, it looks like the end of the road for Directv 1R. It's been at the nominal 110ºW slot for awhile but now looks as though it will be raised to a disposal orbit in another 60 days or so.

October 1999 - July 2012 - Not a bad run for the old bird.


Is that about average? Is it technological obsolescence or mechanical?
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:12 PM

I think it was rated for a 15 year lifespan. Several years ago it was providing locals for some of the small DMAs, I don't think it was handling anything else at that time (about 2007).

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:17 PM

So does that mean 110 is going away, don't they share space there with Dish (or is that 119)?

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:31 PM

Is that about average? Is it technological obsolescence or mechanical?


I think it was rated for a 15 year lifespan.


Yep, it was designed for a 15 year nominal operating life, but that is a very loosey-goosey estimate.

http://www.boeing.co.../directv1r.html

Interestingly, buried in the technical guts of most of these FCC applications, there are statistical summaries indicating the expected lifespan of the vehicle over time. There's a non-trivial statistical likelihood of a mission-ending failure before prior to 15 years. I haven't looked for the D1R documents specifically, however.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:37 PM

Thanks, Herb. You are the only true rocket scientist I "know"!
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:07 PM

What's on 110 anymore for DIRECTV, I've lost track???

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:09 PM

What's on 110 anymore for DIRECTV, I've lost track???


The two test channels (one even, one odd)

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:10 PM

The two test channels (one even, one odd)


Or just one. (Transponders 8, 10, 12)

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:29 PM

A little bit on BSS from last week:

Based on the tech requirements, once could make a case that there is an extra letter in the name of that document description... :D
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:43 PM

What's on 110 anymore for DIRECTV, I've lost track???


The two test channels (one even, one odd)


Or just one. (Transponders 8, 10, 12)


You know, in the narrative section of the document I linked, it mentions that Directv has previously requested to move D1R to 110ºW but are now withdrawing that request. So far as I can tell, the only future use of 110 will be for the RB-4 satellite.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:45 PM

Do you guys have any idea if Directv has any plans to move the foreign channels from the Galaxy and get rid of the 2nd dish ? Thanks.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:12 PM

Based on recent patterns, it seems like DIRECTV may be more interested in paring International channels than contemplating moving them. I seem to recall that they no longer sign people up for Greek channels.

The next satellites will give them capacity for what is available in the near future with not a lot left over.

Then again, they may just surprise me an use their non-Ku/Ka band hardware for something other than placeholders.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 11:20 AM

YSo far as I can tell, the only future use of 110 will be for the RB-4 satellite.

That being the case, aren't they going to have to surrender their Ka licenses for that slot?

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 11:35 PM

Here is the May, 18, 2012 filing:

 

the attachment has been duplicate posted on 6/16/13, here:  http://www.dbstalk.c...35#entry3147380

 

 


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Posted 19 May 2012 - 11:55 PM

96 HD channels (8 tpns, 19.7-20.2 GHz) and lot of SB ...

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 03:51 AM

96 HD channels (8 tpns, 19.7-20.2 GHz) and lot of SB ...


LOA document reads it as 16 Ka-Hi Band CONUS transponders (plus AL., HI., and Puerto Rico).

Most likely to be a new "99ca."

And 8 spotbeam tps. also apparently in the Ka-Hi Band where they will either supplement or replace SW-2's spots.

So under separate FCC filings at least, I guess "DIRECTV-14" specifies the Ka Band payload, and "RB-1" the RDBS one even though they will both be on the same satellite.

Can someone with the wherewithal for navigating the FCC website post the Schedule-S for this filing? :)

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:03 AM

Also the HD channel capacity of "96" indicates that DIRECTV has definitely moved from a 5 to 6 channel per transponder standard (96 ÷ 16 CONUS tps.). Otherwise it would have been listed as 80.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 05:18 AM

Also interesting for those that think most subscribers have HD. 40% of even new ones are SD only?

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 05:59 AM

Hasn't there been some speculation that D14 was going to take over for one of the older birds? If so, the total number of possible new/upgraded channels would be much more limited.
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 10:19 AM

More about DirecTV-14 from Friday:

http://licensing.fcc...ment_key=952449


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Posted 20 May 2012 - 10:48 AM

Hasn't there been some speculation that D14 was going to take over for one of the older birds? If so, the total number of possible new/upgraded channels would be much more limited.

It may take over for D10, which was having some issues, and D10 would be used as a backup or for special events, but I don't think D10 is going away.

My understanding of whats been said in the past is that D14 should be "an addition to" what they already have now.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:03 PM

So D14 will have the capability of providing 96 additional national HD channels. But if there's room now for adding more national HD channels but folks say they're not being added due to costs and contracts then why the need for D14?

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