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#26 OFFLINE   matt

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:06 PM

There are going to be a few of angry ebay members, but I am glad to see this actually. It's one step closer to all MPEG4 equipment :)

Wonder what sparked the change?
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:07 PM

When Directv finally gets around to transitioning ALL channels to MPEG4 (which will free up a huge amount of bandwidth), the older receivers will all become doorstops. This may be a first step in reducing the potential cost of such an upgrade (stopping production of D12s and R16s would be the next obvious step).

Edit: I see that matt1124 is thinking along the same lines....

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:11 PM

Doug thanks for the info was that from a 2nd tier CSR?

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:36 PM

Doug thanks for the info was that from a 2nd tier CSR?


higher up than that ..
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:38 PM

higher up than that ..


Doug probably has lunch with Mike White on a regular basis, it's just a short drive :)
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 08:27 PM

Wonder what sparked the change?


It's a hole in the card security that they will now close,The card security is only 100% when the card # and the RID# are married, If the unit doesn't have an RID# it makes it easy to partially reactivate the unit to (for example) pick up off air channels on the old HD boxes.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 08:33 PM

And that will be THE last word on security .. DBSTalk.com is not the place to even broach the subject of breaking any encryption.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:40 PM

So how much closer are we to all MPEG4 Doug?

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:42 PM

So how much closer are we to all MPEG4 Doug?


What was the launch date and life expectancy of the last KU satellite DirecTv launched? Might give you some insight to the answer. If they just let the KU sats die off, and reduce the SD channels, then when they are dead, and SD has died with them, they can launch a brand new KU sat for 101 to carry more HD.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:50 PM

What was the launch date and life expectancy of the last KU satellite DirecTv launched? Might give you some insight to the answer. If they just let the KU sats die off, and reduce the SD channels, then when they are dead, and SD has died with them, they can launch a brand new KU sat for 101 to carry more HD.


Ok so when will that be?

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 12:16 AM

So how much closer are we to all MPEG4 Doug?


Beats me :shrug:

My guess would be 5-10 years out, though.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 04:13 AM

What was the launch date and life expectancy of the last KU satellite DirecTv launched? Might give you some insight to the answer. If they just let the KU sats die off, and reduce the SD channels, then when they are dead, and SD has died with them, they can launch a brand new KU sat for 101 to carry more HD.


I don't think there is anything unique to the satellites themselves relating to MPEG2 vs MPEG4. There is no onboard demodulation and the transponders just retransmit whatever is in the uplink.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:17 AM

Proof? (Coca Cola Kid might ask)




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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:36 AM

So how much closer are we to all MPEG4 Doug?


What was the launch date and life expectancy of the last KU satellite DirecTv launched? Might give you some insight to the answer. If they just let the KU sats die off, and reduce the SD channels, then when they are dead, and SD has died with them, they can launch a brand new KU sat for 101 to carry more HD.


The satellites that aren't doing MPEG4 don't know if the data is MPEG2 or 4 or anything else above the data stream layer. (I won't say the Spaceways don't know--they just might; but they are MPEG4 able anyway.) :)

So the current fleet is fully able to do all MPEG4...

The BIG (and I really mean BIG) issue is all the legacy receivers that are MPEG2 only. This step will stop the recycling of some of them (maybe a lot) but it won't stop any existing ones that are still in service.

The math I've been using lately is say 30M old MPEG2 receivers that are turned on right now. (Just an educated wild ass guess, I had been using 40M last year.)

Say each replacement receiver is $50 on average. ($100 is likely closer by the time you figure in ALL the costs and that some are DVRs.)

That's $1.5B.
Plus say 15M homes need upgrading to new dish.
Another $1.5B

That is a lot of satellite launches. :) (And DIRECTV still has a fair amount of bandwidth they can utilize more efficiently...) :)

So I don't see all MPEG4 for at least 5 years after the last D12 is sold. If even that quickly.

Since D12s are still available in the supply chain, you know MPEG4 only is not really on the radar...

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 07:36 PM

Beats me :shrug:

My guess would be 5-10 years out, though.


The only way this "eliminate MPEG2" effort will happen is when DirecTV agrees to upgrade customers FOR FREE with NO NEW COMMITMENT which may happen eventually. But there are a LOT of SD-only customers being installed daily and there are lots of other customers who have been long-term subs (like me) who have no intention of upgrading due to the 2 year commitment...and upgrade fee.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 07:41 PM

Minor correction. If the legacy receiver without RID had been active on an account before, it is possible to reactivate on same account as long as it has an existing access card for that account. It cannot be added to anyone else's account (by selling or gifting, etc.)


Perfect.... Works for me. Thanks for the clarification!

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 08:05 PM

The only way this "eliminate MPEG2" effort will happen is when DirecTV agrees to upgrade customers FOR FREE with NO NEW COMMITMENT which may happen eventually. But there are a LOT of SD-only customers being installed daily and there are lots of other customers who have been long-term subs (like me) who have no intention of upgrading due to the 2 year commitment...and upgrade fee.


They can start by moving stuff like Sunday ticket to MPEG4 and other stuff that is not remaps like Full Court, Game Plan, some PPV EVENT's, Hot pass. Maybe later adult, HBO, SHOW, MAX, STARTS Some of the sports pack. PPV movies SD and EVENTS.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:04 PM

They can start by moving stuff like Sunday ticket to MPEG4 and other stuff that is not remaps like Full Court, Game Plan, some PPV EVENT's, Hot pass. Maybe later adult, HBO, SHOW, MAX, STARTS Some of the sports pack. PPV movies SD and EVENTS.


Yup .. by inching their way out of the MPEG2 door folks (in general) will either move up or move on until the point DIRECTV decides to force the issue by providing free equipment.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:05 PM

The only way this "eliminate MPEG2" effort will happen is when DirecTV agrees to upgrade customers FOR FREE with NO NEW COMMITMENT which may happen eventually. But there are a LOT of SD-only customers being installed daily and there are lots of other customers who have been long-term subs (like me) who have no intention of upgrading due to the 2 year commitment...and upgrade fee.


There are numerous Free TV options out there all of which have no commitment and work as good as or better than standard definition television. You don't even necessarily have to complete your commitment term with DIRECTV to come out ahead by switching to those options today.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 12:15 PM

I've been planning on keeping my old directivo for my new house. It's been activated before and directv said I can activate it any time.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 12:40 PM

I've been planning on keeping my old directivo for my new house. It's been activated before and directv said I can activate it any time.


It looks like if you are going to be putting it back onto the same account it was on before that it should be OK, but more and more these older receivers will be banished from the system.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 06:27 PM

I believe eliminating the HD fee for everyone would help in reducing the MPEG2 receivers in service.

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 08:35 PM

After D* obtains a cheap MPEG4 capable SD IRD, with RF output (who knows when that date will be?)...they can start installing new SD subs...and replacing failing SD IRDs with the new box.

When they think they can quickly recover the cost to swap the remaining installed MPEG2 only base, it will happen.

But as others have posted...a simple D10 or D12 can work for a very long time...there are millions out there in service...and thousands of D12s in warehouses.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 08:41 PM

What ever happened to the D13 IRD? I see it show up on some documents about SWM but have never seen it? Is that maybe the transition receiver that we will see someday?

I bet there is a small enough market for RF only TVs that they would just give the customer an external RF modulator as opposed to giving every customer an internal built in one, but who knows, they could be super cheap to implement internally.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 09:03 PM

Are all MDUs HD capable now? That could be one of the tough areas to crack.
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