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D* removing LD from AM-21 lineups


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#1 OFFLINE   aa9vi

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 10:37 AM

I emailed Zap2it/Tribune to add in a new OTA local station to our local lineup. Since the AM-21 cannot channel scan, the only way to view the channel on the AM-21 is to have Zap2it/tribune add it to their master guide and D* is supposed to mirror that. But, I got a curious response back from Zap2it...

"On a side note, DirecTV has been removing low power channels from their guides over the past few months. When the channels are ready we will add it to the zap2it OTA lineups but cannot guarantee that you will be able to receive this via your DirecTV tuner."

So, what's up with that? Why is D* limiting what the receivers can tune? If the signal's there, why won't they let you watch it?

Let me just throw another question out there, what if you live in a small town where LD is your main network feed? This blanket policy seems shortsighted.

Not to mention, Dish network does not have idiotic limitations on their OTA tuners like this... I'm a little perplexed here...

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 10:58 AM

+1

I can understand that if D* pays TMS a fee, for each OTA channel it pulls guide data. They wouldn't be to happy about shelling out coin for home shopping/religious/etc. low-power digital channels.

But, when the LDs are providing local ABC/CBS/Fox/NBC/PBS service D* needs to make them available. Especially when you consider that these areas most likely don't have HD LiL service.
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Yes, my market has HD LiLs...and I'm still not giving up OTA! No rain-fade, and all sub-channels 24/7/365.
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#3 OFFLINE   Mike Bertelson

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:05 AM

Ok, I'm clueless in this situation. What's an LD. :grin:

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:08 AM

Low Definition :grin:
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#5 OFFLINE   Mike Bertelson

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:11 AM

Low Definition :grin:

Ok, I was trying to figure something that had "Local" in it.

LD = SD?

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:17 AM

Ok, I was trying to figure something that had "Local" in it.

LD = SD?

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Oh goody, another acronym that nobody understands. Be nice if people explained odd acronyms when using them. :)

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:19 AM

LD=Low Power Digital - same thing as LP=Low Power (analog) stations.

And, LD does NOT always equal SD - there ARE actually HD-LD stations out there... ;) ;)

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:24 AM

LD=Low Power Digital - same thing as LP=Low Power (analog) stations.

And, LD does NOT always equal SD - there ARE actually HD-LD stations out there... ;) ;)

Ok, now that makes sense.

Thanks. :)

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:31 AM

It was a joke! Low definition TV :lol:

Yes, low power. We have them here and I don't think any of them show up with D*.
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:40 AM

Low Definition :grin:


No, it's low powered digital, the 15kW ERP type. DT is the abbreviation for most of the other full powered digital TV stations.

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:06 PM

We HAD LDs (low-power DIGITAL TV stations) via D*, until they pulled the guide data.

In Wichita, there were 2 LDs with 4 channels each. So, I lost 8 "DVRable" channels when D* stopped providing that information.

...and yes, not these I mentioned, some LDs are translators for full-power stations, meaning they "pass" HD, if the parent station is broadcasting HD.

The only potential silver lining...is a LD translator, has the PSIP of the primary station. (Yes, even the FCC knew it would be overly onerous to force a station to decode the ATSC...and re-encode it with the PSIP of the translator channel and call-sign). So, if D* will allow a matching virtual channel within a market...the HR2x/AM21 might be able to map the LD to the parent's guide info.
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2 HR20-700 Wireless network for DoD
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HR21-100/AM21 Wireless network for DoD
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With diplexed OTA via an "out" on one SWS-4 4-way splitter, using a Winegard YA 1713 - Channel Master 4228 - Channel Master 7777 in the attic.
Yes, my market has HD LiLs...and I'm still not giving up OTA! No rain-fade, and all sub-channels 24/7/365.
Also, with diplexed Cox Internet on one leg, downstream of a SWS-4 4-way splitter, using a SWS-2 2-way splitter, as a combiner.
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:40 PM

I emailed Zap2it/Tribune to add in a new OTA local station to our local lineup. Since the AM-21 cannot channel scan, the only way to view the channel on the AM-21 is to have Zap2it/tribune add it to their master guide and D* is supposed to mirror that. But, I got a curious response back from Zap2it...

"On a side note, DirecTV has been removing low power channels from their guides over the past few months. When the channels are ready we will add it to the zap2it OTA lineups but cannot guarantee that you will be able to receive this via your DirecTV tuner."

So, what's up with that? Why is D* limiting what the receivers can tune? If the signal's there, why won't they let you watch it?

Let me just throw another question out there, what if you live in a small town where LD is your main network feed? This blanket policy seems shortsighted.

Not to mention, Dish network does not have idiotic limitations on their OTA tuners like this... I'm a little perplexed here...

Just noticed that two CD (a notch up from a LD) stations that was listed before are now gone from the Norfolk market. A newer LD station here carries the Retro TV Network but I guess it won't be added...

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:45 PM

Has anyone contacted DirecTV support/@DirecTV Twitter feed/DirecTV.com email support with these issues?
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:46 PM

Just noticed that two CD (a notch up from a LD) stations that was listed before are now gone from the Norfolk market. A newer LD station here carries the Retro TV Network but I guess it won't be added...

CD (Class-A Digital)

FWIW...A low-power station with the frequency protections of a full-power station.
5 LNB Slimline & SWM-16
SWM1 2 HR20s & HR21 via SWS-4 "green label" 4-way splitter w/power pass one leg for PI - SWM2 2 HR20s & HR21 after SWS-4 "green label" 4-way splitter
2 HR20-700 Wireless network for DoD
HR20-700 eSATA Vantec NexStar CX w/ 2TB WD20EVDS
HR21-100/AM21 Wireless network for DoD
HR21-100/AM21
With diplexed OTA via an "out" on one SWS-4 4-way splitter, using a Winegard YA 1713 - Channel Master 4228 - Channel Master 7777 in the attic.
Yes, my market has HD LiLs...and I'm still not giving up OTA! No rain-fade, and all sub-channels 24/7/365.
Also, with diplexed Cox Internet on one leg, downstream of a SWS-4 4-way splitter, using a SWS-2 2-way splitter, as a combiner.
R10 via SWM-16 Legacy 1
In boxes HR10-250, HDVR2 & (2) D10-300

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:46 PM

If I had to guess, they probably got a few too many calls from people saying they were getting a 771 on OTA CH XX-X, come fix it, I will cancel, give me free stuff, etc, etc, etc.
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:51 PM

If I had to guess, they probably got a few too many calls from people saying they were getting a 771 on OTA CH XX-X, come fix it, I will cancel, give me free stuff, etc, etc, etc.

Versus, the you HAD it, D*...and then took it away.

Which also has the effect of some saying...

I will cancel, give me free stuff, etc, etc, etc.


5 LNB Slimline & SWM-16
SWM1 2 HR20s & HR21 via SWS-4 "green label" 4-way splitter w/power pass one leg for PI - SWM2 2 HR20s & HR21 after SWS-4 "green label" 4-way splitter
2 HR20-700 Wireless network for DoD
HR20-700 eSATA Vantec NexStar CX w/ 2TB WD20EVDS
HR21-100/AM21 Wireless network for DoD
HR21-100/AM21
With diplexed OTA via an "out" on one SWS-4 4-way splitter, using a Winegard YA 1713 - Channel Master 4228 - Channel Master 7777 in the attic.
Yes, my market has HD LiLs...and I'm still not giving up OTA! No rain-fade, and all sub-channels 24/7/365.
Also, with diplexed Cox Internet on one leg, downstream of a SWS-4 4-way splitter, using a SWS-2 2-way splitter, as a combiner.
R10 via SWM-16 Legacy 1
In boxes HR10-250, HDVR2 & (2) D10-300

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:59 PM

LD=Low Power Digital - same thing as LP=Low Power (analog) stations.

And, LD does NOT always equal SD - there ARE actually HD-LD stations out there... ;) ;)


Thank you. That clarifies it completely.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 09:13 AM

yes, I emailed them a couple days ago and received no response yet. I encourage those of you concerned to email them also. They may just not understand like so many other things over the air...

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 09:15 AM

If I had to guess, they probably got a few too many calls from people saying they were getting a 771 on OTA CH XX-X, come fix it, I will cancel, give me free stuff, etc, etc, etc.


Well, maybe they shouldn't have made the channels be controlled by a Tribune media database and the AM21 should have had the ability to do an OTA scan.... LIKE THEY DID ON THE H20s!

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 09:38 AM

Well, maybe they shouldn't have made the channels be controlled by a Tribune media database and the AM21 should have had the ability to do an OTA scan.... LIKE THEY DID ON THE H20s!


This is the answer, the software should scan, then it should be smart enough to pull the needed data from TMS...
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