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Most career 5-hit games?


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#1 OFFLINE   Steve

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:01 AM

A friend and I have been Googling to no avail to try to find which MLB player holds the record for most career 5-hit games. Wondering if anyone here knows? TIA.

And if you did find it by Googling, please let me know what search term found it for you! :lol:
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:14 AM

See if this helps Steve

http://www.baseball-...ooks/hits.shtml

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#3 OFFLINE   Steve

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:22 AM

See if this helps Steve

http://www.baseball-...ooks/hits.shtml

Thanks, Jack. I saw that page. That site lists 9-inning 6-hit games (and a couple of 7 hit games, IIRC), but not most 5-hit games.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:27 AM

Steve call the WFAN ask Mike :lol:

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#5 OFFLINE   Steve

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:32 AM

Steve call the WFAN ask Mike :lol:

I may have to! :lol:
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:03 PM

Google search: career 5-hit games

Ty Cobb with 14. (looks like one of those was a 6-hit game)


http://www.thebaseba...s/gwynnto01.php

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:14 PM

Google search: career 5-hit games

Ty Cobb with 14. (looks like one of those was a 6-hit game)


http://www.thebaseba...s/gwynnto01.php

Thanks David! :) I saw that page on Gwynn earlier today, but didn't read it all the way through. D'oh!
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:24 PM

Thanks David! :) I saw that page on Gwynn earlier today, but didn't read it all the way through. D'oh!


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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:28 PM

Go Yankees!

They're 11-0 without ARod in the line-up this year, and he just went on the 15-day disabled list. Woo-hoo! :lol:
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:32 PM

XX-hit games is one of those weird stats that you're not sure how to read it. Admittedly I'm not big into baseball... but given the way it works, you can't get to 5 hits unless everyone else in your roster (exceptions made for pinch hitter/designated hitters) hits at least 4 times in the game.

So I'm inclined to think this is a stat that comes in clumps... by which I mean, if one guy gets a 5th hit I bet most times that happens others on the team also get there because it's probably an offense marathon unless we are talking extra innings where they get to bat just because the game gets played that long.

Also... it's not necessarily a testament to anything is it? I mean, you only get there IF everyone on your team is batting lights out and you're scoring a bazillion runs OR both teams are pitching a shutout and no one is really playing very well on offense.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:28 AM

Google search: career 5-hit games

Ty Cobb with 14. (looks like one of those was a 6-hit game)


http://www.thebaseba...s/gwynnto01.php

Interesting. Both Gwynn and Rose came to mind when I first saw this thread. I didn't think of Cobb but now, that's the obvious answer.
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:50 AM

XX-hit games is one of those weird stats that you're not sure how to read it. Admittedly I'm not big into baseball... but given the way it works, you can't get to 5 hits unless everyone else in your roster (exceptions made for pinch hitter/designated hitters) comes to the plate at least 4 times in the game.


Changed your post to the proper wording. Hope you don't mind.

So I'm inclined to think this is a stat that comes in clumps... by which I mean, if one guy gets a 5th hit I bet most times that happens others on the team also get there because it's probably an offense marathon unless we are talking extra innings where they get to bat just because the game gets played that long.

Also... it's not necessarily a testament to anything is it? I mean, you only get there IF everyone on your team is batting lights out and you're scoring a bazillion runs OR both teams are pitching a shutout and no one is really playing very well on offense.


Is it a testament to anything? Isn't the fact that the (arguably) best hitter of all time (can't argue with that .367 batting average) has the most five hit or more games in the long history of baseball enough?

Put simply, it's a huge accomplishment to get five hits in a game. Huge.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:52 AM

Also... it's not necessarily a testament to anything is it? I mean, you only get there IF everyone on your team is batting lights out and you're scoring a bazillion runs OR both teams are pitching a shutout and no one is really playing very well on offense.


Not necessarily. Every slot will bat at least 3 times in a 9 inning game. For the leadoff hitter to get to bat a 5th time, then there needs to be a combination of 10 hits/walks/errors/HBP etc over 8 2/3 innings. That is just a little bit over an on-base average of 1.15 per inning. So you could get a 5th at bat in a 0-0 game.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:59 AM

Interesting. Both Gwynn and Rose came to mind when I first saw this thread. I didn't think of Cobb but now, that's the obvious answer.


Cobb's always the first person I think of when it comes to hits. Just as the Babe is the first one that comes to mind when speaking of HRs.

Think of what it was like when Cobb was playing: Not really a hardball by today's standards. More like a small, soft ball. (Note that I did not mean "softball".) Not that many ballplayers stand out from those days. None of us saw Cobb play (well, maybe Cholly :)), or any of his cohorts. They got paid next to nothing and played the game for the love of it. And Cobb stood head and shoulders above them all.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:20 AM

[...] Put simply, it's a huge accomplishment to get five hits in a game. Huge.

Agree. And what about six hits in a 9-inning game? A few have done that as well, and four players actually did it twice!

http://www.baseball-...ts_1_game.shtml

Also came across another stat while searching for this. Johnny Damon is one of 5 players who's had 3 hits in an inning!

http://www.baseball-...ooks/hits.shtml
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:32 AM

Agree. And what about six hits in a 9-inning game? A few have done that as well, and four players actually did it twice!

http://www.baseball-...ts_1_game.shtml

Also came across another stat while searching for this. Johnny Damon is one of 5 players who's had 3 hits in an inning!

http://www.baseball-...ooks/hits.shtml


6 hits in a game is hard to believe. When I was forty, I had fourteen hits in a row over about three games in one league. Started to take notice of what I was doing when I got into my late 30s. Up until then, I just kept my batting averages. Up until then, baseball in any form was easy for me. After that, the pain...

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:36 AM

Agree. And what about six hits in a 9-inning game? A few have done that as well, and four players actually did it twice!

http://www.baseball-...ts_1_game.shtml

Also came across another stat while searching for this. Johnny Damon is one of 5 players who's had 3 hits in an inning!

http://www.baseball-...ooks/hits.shtml


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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:06 PM

I was omitting something in my thought process there, so thanks for the catch/corrections...

I was somehow equating hits with at bats a whole more than I should have... since at least 3 of those at bats would have to result in an out per inning or they'd never finish the game :) Also, I guess walks and hit-batters just count as on-base and not hits either.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:22 PM

I was omitting something in my thought process there, so thanks for the catch/corrections...

I was somehow equating hits with at bats a whole more than I should have... since at least 3 of those at bats would have to result in an out per inning or they'd never finish the game :) Also, I guess walks and hit-batters just count as on-base and not hits either.


Right. It's not that unusual for a player to get up five times a game, but as you can see, getting hits each time is pretty difficult.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 02:02 PM

[...] Also, I guess walks and hit-batters just count as on-base and not hits either.

Nor do they count as "at bats".
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 03:04 PM

Nor do they count as "at bats".


I think you have to look at it as how many times a player comes to the plate in the context of getting five or six attempts in a game. Just getting up six times in a game is an awful lot on a Major League level.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:09 PM

Cobb's always the first person I think of when it comes to hits. Just as the Babe is the first one that comes to mind when speaking of HRs.

Think of what it was like when Cobb was playing: Not really a hardball by today's standards.


If Babe Ruth at his prime was inserted in a major league lineup today, he might be able to put the bat on the ball.

As for Cobb, and Ruth, the eras in which they played were totally different in terms of the approach to the game. Cobb and Ruth got to face tired starting pitchers in the 7-9 innings. The never had to face a setup man with a wicked slittie then the next inning a power pitcher with upper 90's heat. Getting hits/HR's in those later innings was much easier then that it is today.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

[...] Getting hits/HR's in those later innings was much easier then that it is today.

If so, then why wasn't everyone hitting them? :) Ruth was definitely an anomaly vs. his peers. Check out these stats.

As the author of that blog points out, in 1920, Ruth hit more home runs than any team in baseball except the Phillies. That would be the equivalent of Barry Bonds hitting 234 homers in 2001.

Ya, there were no relief specialists, but they also allowed to throw a spitball and umps rarely threw out nicked baseballs, so pitchers were able to make the ball do funny things.

And I don't know if balls travel further at night or indoors.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:54 AM

If so, then why wasn't everyone hitting them? :) Ruth was definitely an anomaly vs. his peers. Check out these stats.

As the author of that blog points out, in 1920, Ruth hit more home runs than any team in baseball except the Phillies. That would be the equivalent of Barry Bonds hitting 234 homers in 2001.

Ya, there were no relief specialists, but they also allowed to throw a spitball and umps rarely threw out nicked baseballs, so pitchers were able to make the ball do funny things.

And I don't know if balls travel further at night or indoors.


I've watched a lot of films that showed Ruth batting. Don't sell that ability short. The game today is so watered down it's getting hard to watch. Never mind the PEDs. But, if anyone wants to believe that Cobb and Ruth couldn't have competed today at a very high level, that's up to you. Their stats prove their abilities. Just the comparisons to their peers is telling. If Ruth (like the Mick) had taken better care of himself, his stats would still stand at the top of the lists.

Yes, the game's changed and the way players work out and keep themselves in great shape would apply to Ruth and Cobb if they were playing today. Nobody can make the argument that yesterday's great stars couldn't have performed at a very high level today. That's like saying Ali would have lost to Joe Louis at their respective peaks. How could you possibly tell without putting them in the ring against each other at their peaks? This kind of argument is without foundation.

Does Herdfan think that Nolan Ryan couldn't have pitched today, or that Ted Williams couldn't have hit today? Or that Bob Feller couldn't throw a baseball at a hundred miles an hour today?

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:15 AM

As for Cobb, and Ruth, the eras in which they played were totally different in terms of the approach to the game. Cobb and Ruth got to face tired starting pitchers in the 7-9 innings. The never had to face a setup man with a wicked slittie then the next inning a power pitcher with upper 90's heat. Getting hits/HR's in those later innings was much easier then that it is today.


Nice theory.

Too bad the stats don't agree with you.

http://www.baseball-...t=b&n1=ruthba01

There is no dramatic increase in the number of home runs Babe Ruth hit in innings 7-end (he had 16 extra inning HRs). In fact, he hit more in innings 1-3 than any other group of innings.

Also... just because specialists didn't exist doesn't mean that you were always facing a tired pitcher in innings 7-9. Relief pitchers still existed and were used (going through the list of players Ruth hit home runs off of, for example, Bill Dietrich appeared in 43 games in 1935, but only started 15 of those).

To assume that Ruth couldn't play in todays era is a silly notion, IMO. He was more talented than his peers by a measure so great that I think one has to assume that if he were playing in today's era, with access to all the same advantages that today's player has, he'd be a successful player. A great player. Maybe not head and shoulders above everyone else the way he was, but he'd be damn good.

I think the same can be said of any of the "great" players. How you define great depends on how true that statement is. Personally, I use the word great very sparingly. For instance, I had a friend tell me last year when Pablo Sandoval of the Giants was hitting .330 that he was a "great hitter". In my mind, that was a very good year... but a great hitter flirts with .400. He said "So you mean there have only been 3 or 4 great hitters in your lifetime". Yup. Exactly what I mean. Great, to me, means you're the best of the best. Take the top handful of players in the world, and you're at the top of the list....

Those players, IMO, regardless of what era they played in, have the kind of talent that would translate across eras.... assuming of course that they took advantage of the advantages of the era. Babe Ruth probably couldn't play in today's game if he was 300lbs and hungover every day.. but if he took care of himself the way todays players do, he'd still be a great player.
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