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#1 OFFLINE   StangGT909

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:35 AM

Quick question on the H24's...

Are the H24's going to eventually replace ALL SD receivers or will DTV continue to sell SD receivers? I thought I read somewhere when the H24 was first released that it was planned to be the entry level receiver. Kind of makes sense now that you get "free HD for life". Is that true?

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:38 AM

They are still producing D12s and sticking up SD dishes currently. Someday all SD stuff will be gone, but that is years and years down the road.
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Posted 25 August 2010 - 07:40 AM

Look at all the programming coming off 101 is that HD?

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 07:48 AM

At this point, I'm sure D12 production is fairly low (though definitely still being manufactured), as a LOT of the receivers being installed are refurbs. Same with the R16. But the bulk of the new production is and will be HD receivers. With the current promotions (MRV and Free HD for Life), huge numbers of customers are upgrading themselves away from their old SD equipment, helping speed the day where all SD equipment will be gone.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 04:42 PM

OK so if you want:

(1) HD-DVR (free)
(1) HD Receiver (free)
(2) Extra receivers for TV's that today are not HD but will be during the course of the 24 month contact

You'd have to either get SD receivers for free for the last 2, or pay $99 a piece for H24's? Or can you trick the system by ordering multi-room viewing and requiring a H24 for all TV's? Or is there a way you can talk them into giving you more HD receivers for free.

Just seems like before people could want multiple HD-DVR's... if now they only have to give you (1) HD-DVR for your home and the rest are H24's, you would think it would be nice if they would let you have as many inexpensive H24's as you want for free since they're only coughing up one expensive unit (HD-DVR) per subscriber.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 05:03 PM

Slightly off topic, but not really. Glancing at the PayTV (cable+DTH+fiber) subscriber numbers for 2Q10, and, for the first time ever, we see a decrease in net subscribers. Of course, the industry argues that this is a one-off blip, but I'm not so sure. Not with ESPN charging four dollars a subscriber, and other cable channels increasing their fees by 10+% when the CPI is growing at 0.9%, year over year.

My question. Has either of the two DTH providers been overly aggressive in retaining customers, perhaps by discounting the monthly charge by 20% or so? Hard for me to see continued growth in monthly bills with (i) CPI growing at 0.9%, and possible deflation looming, (ii) Hulu, Netflix and perhaps Apple making many programs available, and (iii) unemployment and underemployment being what it is.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 02:36 AM

Look at all the programming coming off 101 is that HD?


That's completely irrelevant. The H24 can tune everything coming off 101.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 06:56 AM

That's completely irrelevant. The H24 can tune everything coming off 101.

You think it is irrelevant how many HD satellites broadcasting HD would it take to replace that one satellite 2-4? How about the millions of SD receivers already in use that would have to be replaced before the marketplace could go HD only. Just how cheap do you think H24s are?:):):)

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:43 AM

My question. Has either of the two DTH providers been overly aggressive in retaining customers, perhaps by discounting the monthly charge by 20% or so?

No. In fact, both DTH providers have realized higher average revenues per customer while not changing their rates at all in the last six months. Much of this increase is thought to be a result of greater HD uptake.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:55 AM

You think it is irrelevant how many HD satellites broadcasting HD would it take to replace that one satellite 2-4?

There are three satellites (DIRECTV 4S, DIRECTV 8 and DIRECTV 9S) at 101W making up the core SD services.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 05:24 PM

Millions and millions of people (me included) enjoy "classic TV' which, of course, is not in HD. Many of the DirecTV channels offer this programming almost 100% (AMC, TCM, TV Land, etc.) These channels will probably NEVER offer an HD feed. And contrary to popular belief (among the frequent posters on DBSTALK.COM) most households still have LOTS of old SD TV sets still in service....and DirecTV won't hook up an HD receiver to an SD TV set. As such, the SD DVR's and SD receivers will continue to be installed for many, many years.

Plus, anyone who thinks "free HD" is really free is dreaming. Either it will end soon or that missing $10 in monthly revenue will be incorporated into future package increases (or some other clever hidden charge).

I'm perfectly happy with my SD service from DirecTV even though I have a HD flat screen TV in my living room. Most of the time, it's tuned to an SD program anyway.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 05:29 PM

Millions and millions of people (me included) enjoy "classic TV' which, of course, is not in HD. Many of the DirecTV channels offer this programming almost 100% (AMC, TCM, TV Land, etc.) These channels will probably NEVER offer an HD feed. And contrary to popular belief (among the frequent posters on DBSTALK.COM) most households still have LOTS of old SD TV sets still in service....and DirecTV won't hook up an HD receiver to an SD TV set. As such, the SD DVR's and SD receivers will continue to be installed for many, many years.

Plus, anyone who thinks "free HD" is really free is dreaming. Either it will end soon or that missing $10 in monthly revenue will be incorporated into future package increases (or some other clever hidden charge).

I'm perfectly happy with my SD service from DirecTV even though I have a HD flat screen TV in my living room. Most of the time, it's tuned to an SD program anyway.


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Posted 26 August 2010 - 05:35 PM

That's about right. At some point HD Access will cease to be a line item, but I'd be really surprised if people's bills go down as a result.

As for D12s and 18" dishes, yes they're still out there. DIRECTV would like to entice you to HD, but the choice is yours.
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Posted 26 August 2010 - 05:54 PM

HD receivers get connected all the time to SD sets. There is NO policy stating not to.


My neighbor got DirecTV recently but she didn't have an HDTV. She wanted to get the new customer deal of a FREE HD DVR and FREE HD for life but was told it was only available if the customer had an HDTV. So she got an R15 and a SD receiver for her other SD TV.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 06:11 PM

That's about right. At some point HD Access will cease to be a line item, but I'd be really surprised if people's bills go down as a result.

As for D12s and 18" dishes, yes they're still out there. DIRECTV would like to entice you to HD, but the choice is yours.


But how soon will like sunday ticket and others only be in MPEG4 so D* can drop the old sd only boxes?
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 02:07 PM

Millions and millions of people (me included) enjoy "classic TV' which, of course, is not in HD. Many of the DirecTV channels offer this programming almost 100% (AMC, TCM, TV Land, etc.) These channels will probably NEVER offer an HD feed. And contrary to popular belief (among the frequent posters on DBSTALK.COM) most households still have LOTS of old SD TV sets still in service....and DirecTV won't hook up an HD receiver to an SD TV set. As such, the SD DVR's and SD receivers will continue to be installed for many, many years.

Plus, anyone who thinks "free HD" is really free is dreaming. Either it will end soon or that missing $10 in monthly revenue will be incorporated into future package increases (or some other clever hidden charge).

I'm perfectly happy with my SD service from DirecTV even though I have a HD flat screen TV in my living room. Most of the time, it's tuned to an SD program anyway.


When did Directv say they won't hook up an HD receiver to an SD TV set? If they didn't want people to view HD programming on an SD set then HD receivers wouldn't have 480i/480p s-video/composite/component outputs and support standard tv's. It looks like the only reason people still want SD receivers is because that model still has a built-in coax output and they're too stupid to realize they can just go out and buy an RF Modulator for less than $20 bucks and use it to connect any HD receiver to their SD set using coax if they want to do it that way.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 03:42 PM

Millions and millions of people (me included) enjoy "classic TV' which, of course, is not in HD. Many of the DirecTV channels offer this programming almost 100% (AMC, TCM, TV Land, etc.) These channels will probably NEVER offer an HD feed.

Don't count HD out for "classic TV"!

Any program that was shot on film, can be remastered in HD. Granted, since 4:3 was used for framing, some programs may never be available in 16:9. Even so, HD 4:3 from 16mm film-stock will look darn good...and 35mm, excellent. (depending on the film's condition, of course)

Only those shows shot/mastered directly to videotape will be forever consigned to the SD heap.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 07:32 PM

Just another reason to love that lost art of film. :D
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 08:49 PM

OK so if you want:

(1) HD-DVR (free)
(1) HD Receiver (free)
(2) Extra receivers for TV's that today are not HD but will be during the course of the 24 month contact

You'd have to either get SD receivers for free for the last 2, or pay $99 a piece for H24's? Or can you trick the system by ordering multi-room viewing and requiring a H24 for all TV's? Or is there a way you can talk them into giving you more HD receivers for free.


You won't get additional HD receivers for free, no matter what you do. MRV is only for your HD receivers, and does NOT upgrade SD receivers to HD.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 05:20 PM

You won't get additional HD receivers for free, no matter what you do. MRV is only for your HD receivers, and does NOT upgrade SD receivers to HD.


Ok. Now I get what's up with the continued popularity of SD receivers. It's the customers who like getting up to 4 FREE SD receivers at Sign Up instead of spending a little extra to invest in HD technologies fault. It's simple Ma & Pa Kettle Math applied to the Directv Free Receiver Credit: 1 HD-DVR + 1 HD receiver = 3 HD receivers or 4 SD receivers.

Why bother getting 2 to 3 HD receivers to start (and get 1-2 more now or later on at cost) when 4 sub-par SD ones for Free from the get-go will do just fine in their book. They're either too dam cheap or feel it's owed to them like all the people who cried foul when OTA broadcasts went from NTSC to ATSC and their old tv's became worthless without the Government (taxpayer funded) converter box program. The people toting how much they love SD over HD probably also only subscribe to the lowest programming package.




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