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DirecTV & Dish Network HD Channel Lineup Comparison


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#151 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 08:38 PM

BTW: MegaTV HD hasn't made the graphic yet either. (It made my lists.)

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#152 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 08:57 PM

This list will be updated tomorrow.

EDIT: I will update it tonight. I had planned on getting to it this afternoon, but I won't have access to the proper version of Excel until later.

Edited by Hoosier205, 05 October 2010 - 10:58 AM.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:07 AM

I am not sure if I should remove channels which have been taken down during a carriage dispute or not. I am leaning towards removing them until there is a resolution, but I am open to suggestions. Thoughts?
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#154 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:24 AM

I am not sure if I should remove channels which have been taken down during a carriage dispute or not. I am leaning towards removing them until there is a resolution, but I am open to suggestions. Thoughts?

I'd note them but not remove them. The disputes are temporary ... the channels will be back. I'd treat them like part time channels ... carriage space reserved but just no content carried at this time.

For longer disputes (several months, not a few days) where there is no negotiation underway removal seems fair. But on channels where there is an active dispute the channel should not be removed.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:28 AM

I'd note them but not remove them. The disputes are temporary ... the channels will be back. I'd treat them like part time channels ... carriage space reserved but just no content carried at this time.

For longer disputes (several months, not a few days) where there is no negotiation underway removal seems fair. But on channels where there is an active dispute the channel should not be removed.


Sounds good to me. That makes sense. I will work out a way to do that.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:50 AM

I'd note them but not remove them. The disputes are temporary ... the channels will be back. I'd treat them like part time channels ... carriage space reserved but just no content carried at this time.

For longer disputes (several months, not a few days) where there is no negotiation underway removal seems fair. But on channels where there is an active dispute the channel should not be removed.


I would agree with this. Seems a fair way to make the comparison as there will most likely be more of this as the content providers get more aggressive.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 01:06 PM

I'd note them but not remove them. The disputes are temporary ... the channels will be back. I'd treat them like part time channels ... carriage space reserved but just no content carried at this time.

For longer disputes (several months, not a few days) where there is no negotiation underway removal seems fair. But on channels where there is an active dispute the channel should not be removed.


Because you were asking for feedback. I totally agree with this. Maybe a different color or obvious note to show HD stations that are in dispute. It should be clearly noted so its easy to tell.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 01:46 PM

Sounds good to me. That makes sense. I will work out a way to do that.


Perhaps you could leave the color the same, but just put an "X" over the box?

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:05 PM

Perhaps you could leave the color the same, but just put an "X" over the box?


Good idea. I will play around with a few different options tonight and see how it works out.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:50 PM

The list has been updated. Added MegaTV HD for DirecTV. Added Sony HD for Dish (I'll wait for DirecTV until we hear something official). Altered the status of those channels involved in disputes.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:55 PM

The list has been updated. Added MegaTV HD for DirecTV. Added Sony HD for Dish (I'll wait for DirecTV until we hear something official). Altered the status of those channels involved in disputes.


E* is in a "temporary contract dispute" for NFLST? Uh no, D* has the exclusive contract until at least 2014. Nascar Hot Pass is exclusive to D* too, I'm not sure when the contract expires. and E* hasn't carried MLBEI since 2006, pretty long dispute to be considered "temporary".

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#162 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:57 PM

E* is in a "temporary contract dispute" for NFLST? Uh no, D* has the exclusive contract until at least 2014. Nascar Hot Pass is exclusive to D* too, I'm not sure when the contract expires. and E* hasn't carried MLBEI since 2006, pretty long dispute to be considered "temporary".


Hmm...something went wrong there. Thanks. I hadn't noticed it. I'll fix it right now.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:03 PM

Fixed. Thank you to Coca Cola Kid for pointing that out.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:32 AM

Just a reminder for as many people as possible to place a link to this thread in their signature. It will help increase participation and direct new members here so they can use it as a resource.
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 01:20 PM

Updated with today's new HD on DirecTV (162-165 PPV HD).

[See updated attachment in next post.]

Edited by James Long, 18 October 2010 - 06:57 AM.


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Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:56 AM

Updated with Sony Movie Channel making it's appearance on DirecTV.
[See updated PDF version in new post.]

Edited by James Long, 29 October 2010 - 04:23 PM.
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 01:02 PM

I will update the chart tonight to add the five additional DirecTV HD channels. (4 Cinema and 1 Sony Movie Channel)
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:13 PM

Hi Hoosier... great job on the Chart !....

Am I reading it correctly in Post # 1 that 2 HD networks are still missing ?

1. Univision-HD (carried by both DTV and DISH)
2. TeleFutura West-HD (carried by both DTV and DISH)

I had mentioned this earlier and you had said it was going to be corrected... Is there an "updated" version to Post # 1 that shows the correction ?...

Either way, amazing work... very happy to see a much more complete and truthful analysis than the Chart in AV Science Forum (with all its arbitrary exclusions of hybrid national networks, RSN's, etc.) ....

Cheers !

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:13 AM

So...the list didn't get updated last night. ALCS+Beer=me not getting to it. I'll take care of it tonight however.
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:25 PM

Hi Hoosier... great job on the Chart !....

Am I reading it correctly in Post # 1 that 2 HD networks are still missing ?

1. Univision-HD (carried by both DTV and DISH)
2. TeleFutura West-HD (carried by both DTV and DISH)

I had mentioned this earlier and you had said it was going to be corrected... Is there an "updated" version to Post # 1 that shows the correction ?...

Either way, amazing work... very happy to see a much more complete and truthful analysis than the Chart in AV Science Forum (with all its arbitrary exclusions of hybrid national networks, RSN's, etc.) ....

Cheers !


Thanks. I missed them. I've updated the list and I am about to upload it.
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:30 PM

Just a note to anyone who may be new to this thread: The channels involved in the Dish/Fox dispute are not currently being counted. Their place in the count will be restored in the count as soon as an agreement has been reached. Please don't take offense...we just don't know how long they are going to be gone so it was easier to remove them from the the count temporarily (hopefully).
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 05:33 AM

Just a note to anyone who may be new to this thread: The channels involved in the Dish/Fox dispute are not currently being counted. Their place in the count will be restored in the count as soon as an agreement has been reached. Please don't take offense...we just don't know how long they are going to be gone so it was easier to remove them from the the count temporarily (hopefully).

Just a clarification ... "we" is royal in this use. While the occasional question has been asked as to what counts and what doesn't count the decision of what is on that chart and how they are counted rest with the author of the chart.

No count (including mine) should be considered the official count of DBSTalk.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 06:24 AM

Just a clarification ... "we" is royal in this use. While the occasional question has been asked as to what counts and what doesn't count the decision of what is on that chart and how they are counted rest with the author of the chart.

No count (including mine) should be considered the official count of DBSTalk.

I suspect that never entered the minds of most folks.
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#174 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 08:13 AM

Just a clarification ... "we" is royal in this use. While the occasional question has been asked as to what counts and what doesn't count the decision of what is on that chart and how they are counted rest with the author of the chart.


The word, "we" was only used once in my post:

Please don't take offense...we just don't know how long they are going to be gone so it was easier to remove them from the the count temporarily (hopefully).


That is an accurate statement. We don't know how long those channels will be gone. We...as in anyone who does not have direct knowledge of any progress being made in the negotiations between Dish Network and Fox. "We" was not used in a way which in implies that I speak on behalf of anyone else. Obviously, I do not. I thought that was pretty clear, but sorry for the confusion.
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 08:23 AM

As long as it is clear on who's count it is. The inference in the sentence was that "we" removed them from the count. "... so it was easier for me to remove them from the the count temporarily (hopefully)" would be a clearer statement. Otherwise the "we" carries over.




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