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Instant replay in little league.


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#1 ONLINE   yosoyellobo

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 04:31 PM

Just saw a batter get hit be the ball and the umpire call it a foul tip. It was overturn by instant replay in only 50 seconds from the time he was hit. In the major they would have been arguing for two or three minute and the manager would have been thrown out.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 04:46 PM

Yea, thats one of the major reasons I am not subscribing to Extra Innings next year. The majors are just a bunch of drugged up, overpaid babies. This LLWS has been a real refreshing look at what baseball is supposed to be.

BTW, if the Texas manager had appealed, the kid would have been called out. He never attempted to get out of the way of the pitch. Texas missed two appeals that would have gone their way in two days. They won, so it all worked out. That was one hell of a throw from Center field to third base. I couldnt throw a ball that far and hit the mark.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:22 PM

Just saw a batter get hit be the ball and the umpire call it a foul tip.


I think you mean foul ball. There can never be a foul tip if the ball hits the batter.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:23 PM

This LLWS has been a real refreshing look at what baseball is supposed to be.


Little League has lost its soul with the introduction of replay as they have done.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:42 PM

I think you mean foul ball. There can never be a foul tip if the ball hits the batter.


You are right the ball did hit the batter but the umpire did call it a foul ball.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:44 PM

That's completely different from a foul tip, which is what you had said it was.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:49 PM

I think you mean foul ball. There can never be a foul tip if the ball hits the batter.


But that doesn't mean the ump can't call it a foul tip. Obviously, he didn't think it hit the batter.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:53 PM

My bad. It would have been a foul tip if the catcher had hung on to the ball. Any way the play was overturn in 50 seconds from the time the batter was hit.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 10:37 PM

But that doesn't mean the ump can't call it a foul tip.


Yes it does. If he thinks it did hit the batter, it cannot be a foul tip. If he doesn't think it hit the batter, he can call it a foul tip.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 09:46 AM

But that doesn't mean the ump can't call it a foul tip. Obviously, he didn't think it hit the batter.



Yes it does. If he thinks it did hit the batter, it cannot be a foul tip. If he doesn't think it hit the batter, he can call it a foul tip.


First you say it does mean the up can't call it (Yes it does), and then you say that he can (if he doesn't think it hit the batter, he can call it a foul tip).

So, which is it?

Of course it can't be a foul tip if the ump knows it hit the batter, that's not even part of the equation. Guess what? He can't call it a home run if it hits the batter either.

The discussion was about a WRONG call that an umpire made. The ball hit the batter and the ump called it a foul tip (because he didn't know it hit the batter). You came in and said that's impossible (for the ump to make the call he did). No, it's not impossible. Umps make wrong calls all the time.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 09:50 AM

Little League has lost its soul with the introduction of replay as they have done.


Spoken as a true umpire, which you are, who never think they're wrong.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:02 AM

Spoken like a true fan, who are presumptuous and unknowledgeable.I am a veteran umpire who will never believe he's "never wrong." We're human. One need not be an umpire to realize Little League has lost its soul, and not just because of the introduction of instant replay, which is a travesty at that level especially.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:12 AM

Spoken like a true fan, who are presumptuous and unknowledgeable.I am a veteran umpire who will never believe he's "never wrong." We're human. One need not be an umpire to realize Little League has lost its soul, and not just because of the introduction of instant replay, which is a travesty at that level especially.


Why else has it lost it's soul?

I realize there are those lunatic parents who ruin the fun. Also, there are the cases of using older players. These may be contributors, but how is instant replay at a world championship tournament a travesty?
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:01 AM

Soon or later Major League Baseball will have to go instant replay. Imagine in twenty or thirty years watching a game in an twenty foot ultra hd tv and not having instant replay. The collage kids would have a beer drinking game base on every time the umpire blew the call.

Edited by yosoyellobo, 27 August 2010 - 11:13 AM.
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:48 PM

Why else has it lost it's soul?

I realize there are those lunatic parents who ruin the fun. Also, there are the cases of using older players. These may be contributors, but how is instant replay at a world championship tournament a travesty?


One excellent article on this.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 08:41 AM

One excellent article on this.


From the author:

I'm against replay, in any form or sport.


So, officials are always right no matter what & fans must accept blatant missed calls? Yeah, that's fair. :rolleyes:
If the technology is there, then use it. Humans make mistakes & should not affect outcomes of games. Look at last years Big 12 title game...the officials damn near blew the end of the game affecting who goes to the national title game.
It seems two groups oppose instant replay...Officials & "Purists."
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:29 PM

So, officials are always right no matter what


Do not infer that which I never implied. Whether officials are right or wrong in baseball, instant replay has absolutely NO place in Little League Baseball.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 28 August 2010 - 01:14 PM

Do not infer that which I never implied.

I was responding to the author and his "article."

Whether officials are right or wrong in baseball, instant replay has absolutely NO place in Little League Baseball.

In your opinion. I tried engaging you in a discussion about this, but you just keep stating opinions with no reason.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:10 PM

The author makes a very good case for no replay in Little League. A very limited use in MLB is one thing, especially since it's used across the entire league, but in Little League, its use is unnecessary and creates a disadvantage. Furthermore, it doesn't help the kids as they grow up.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:22 PM

in Little League, its use is unnecessary and creates a disadvantage. Furthermore, it doesn't help the kids as they grow up.


Disadvantage how? A 45 second break in the game flow?

And what lesson does getting a play call correct have anything to do with helping the kids as they grow up? What are we supposed to teach them? Should we have the coaches do like the big leagues and go out on the field and kick dirt on the umpire and get thrown out of the game for poor sportsmanship? Even if you know the runner was safe but the umpire called him out, dont say anything and maybe no one will ever know? Guess all those Wall st guys were old school little leaguers.

FWIW, they asked all the volunteer umpires, who I believe go through at least 10 yrs of training to get to umpire the LLWS, and they did *not* have any problem with the use of instant replay. If its ok with the umpires, and instituted fairly, I dont see the problem.

If you noticed, several replays were left as inconclusive. There were some blatant (to TV viewer) miscalls, that were not even challenged. It did not appear to be overused.

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