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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q4 2010 Thread)


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#2221 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:56 AM

Who said anything about broadcast standard? We’re talking HD standard. If 1280x720 is HD, 1440x1080 is HD. That is a fact. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Which is why I provided that link. ;)

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#2222 OFFLINE   Hutchinshouse

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:57 AM

Which is why I provided that link. ;)


I agree with you.;) See my post. :D

#2223 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:58 AM

I agree with you.;) See my post. :D

Yup....all on the same page now.

So when should we anticipate more HD channels to appear?
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#2224 OFFLINE   Hutchinshouse

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:58 AM

Yup....all on the same page now.

So when should we anticipate more HD channels to appear?


Sooooooooooon! :D

#2225 OFFLINE   MysteryMan

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:59 AM

Yup....all on the same page now.

So when should we anticipate more HD channels to appear?


Peerhaps on November 17.

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#2226 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:00 AM

Peerhaps on November 17.

Thanks.

If so....we should be seeing Sixto "signs" soon (say that fast 3 times). :D
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#2227 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:16 AM

1440x1920 is only a video format used for some recording devices. Regardless how a program was filmed on video, network feeds themselves are either 1280x720 or 1920x1080. The actual ATSC standards are what matter here. The ATSC digital television standard for 1080i is defined as 1920x1080.

http://www.atsc.org/...x.php/standards

The Advanced Television Systems Committee, Inc., is an international, non-profit organization developing voluntary standards for digital television. The ATSC member organizations represent the broadcast, broadcast equipment, motion picture, consumer electronics, computer, cable, satellite, and semiconductor industries.

Specifically, ATSC is working to coordinate television standards among different communications media focusing on digital television, interactive systems, and broadband multimedia communications. ATSC is also developing digital television implementation strategies and presenting educational seminars on the ATSC standards.

ATSC was formed in 1982 by the member organizations of the Joint Committee on InterSociety Coordination (JCIC): the Electronic Industries Association (EIA), the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE), the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB), the National Cable Telecommunications Association (NCTA), and the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE). ATSC members represent the broadcast, broadcast equipment, motion picture, consumer electronics, computer, cable, satellite, and semiconductor industries.


HD-Lite is the downsampling of an HD feed. All 1080i feeds received by Dish Network are 1920x1080. They choose to downsample them to 1440x1080, compress them to a greater degree than DirecTV, and ramp that bitrate down...all of which results in degraded PQ.

Now that we have settled that...back to anticipating.
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#2228 OFFLINE   ejjames

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:22 AM

!280x720 is progressive, this 1440i is hogwash! Why we ever approved any interlaced standard in this day and age is beyond me. However, that's a topic for another day.
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#2229 OFFLINE   MysteryMan

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:28 AM

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:31 AM

:sleeping:

Yup.

Perhaps one more try... :shrug:

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#2231 OFFLINE   domingos35

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:31 AM

Dish does what? I didn't know Dish had any channels broadcast in 1920x1080 resolution...SD+ doesn't count as HD.


Does care about what customers want:lol:

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:33 AM

I am sure enjoying espnu.


and i am enjoying BBC HD ,AMC HD, NATGW HD :D

#2233 OFFLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:36 AM

Does care about what customers want:lol:


and i am enjoying BBC HD ,AMC HD, NATGW HD :D


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#2234 OFFLINE   domingos35

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:37 AM

Wrong. Dish Network picture quality suffers not only from HD-lite, but heavier compression and lower bitrates as well.


and this coming from a fanboy!!! funny:rolleyes:

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:39 AM

and i am enjoying BBC HD ,AMC HD, NATGW HD :D


Oh yeah, we have more PPVHD channels than you. :P :bang

Wanna trade? I’ll give ya 41 PPVHD channels for those 3 HD channels. :lol:

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 12:36 PM

Oh yeah, we have more PPVHD channels than you. :P :bang

Wanna trade? I’ll give ya 41 PPVHD channels for those 3 HD channels. :lol:


I already have them too..at least 2 of them (via TWC). ;)

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:07 PM

Good, maybe we can put this HD-lite BS to bed. :bang

If 1280x720 is HD, how the heck can 1440x1080 not be HD? :shrug:

It’s all about clarity.


1440x1080 = 1,555,200 (pixels)
1280x720 = 921,600 (pixels)

If 1280x720 is HD, how can 1440x1080 not be?


The 1080 is interlaced, where only half the pixels are shown (755k) where as 720p all 921k pixles are shown at once. That's why 1920 x 1080i is the HD format (1,037k pixels are shown at any given moment)
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#2238 OFFLINE   Curtis0620

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:14 PM

and i am enjoying BBC HD ,AMC HD, NATGW HD :D


Nothing on any of those channels worth losing ESPNU, ESPNNEWS, DISNEY, ABC FAM, & full time HD RSN's

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:23 PM

Nothing on any of those channels worth losing ESPNU, ESPNNEWS, DISNEY, ABC FAM, & full time HD RSN's


To each their own....

I'd swap ESPNU, ESPN News, Disney Channel, and full time HD-RSNs for AMC HD and BBC America HD in a heartbeat... :)

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:41 PM

The 1080 is interlaced, where only half the pixels are shown (755k) where as 720p all 921k pixles are shown at once. That's why 1920 x 1080i is the HD format (1,037k pixels are shown at any given moment)


I know what your saying about it being interlaced, but the screen is drawn so fast, how can the human eye perceive a lesser quality image from 1440x1080 vs 704x480 (SD) ?

Even 3D looks pretty convincing, because each eye is blanked out so fast in the shutter glasses, that your brain just morphs them together. Also look at a light bulb. It's actually turning on and off 60 times a second due to 60 Hz AC wave. I bet it looks like a steady glow of light to your eyes, I know it does to mine.




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