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#1 OFFLINE   the tacoman

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:06 PM

Hi, newbie here and first off just wanted to say I have been reading through posts for a few hours on here and another forum and it has helped a lot, but there are a few questions I had and a couple things I just wanted to confirm.

I do not have satellite service and can't at my house due to not having a clear shot at the south sky. We do a little bit of tailgaiting (about 4 times a year), which is not worth in my mind getting the service just for that. My parents do have Dish network and I was thinking about getting a satellite and pulling one of their receivers (612) out of their house for the weekend. I just wanted to make sure this would work and is there a specific satellite I need to get? Also could I run two tvs off of this receiver? If so what all do i need to get to do that? Sorry if some of this is very easily answered. I think I could figure a lot of it out if I could look at my parents set up, but I am just going to be able to stop by their house later this week to pick up the receiver and hope to have everything in place I need. Thanks again for any help.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:22 PM

That would violate the terms of the agreement.
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Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:27 PM

That would violate the terms of the agreement.


Didn't realize that, what all do I need to do so that it doesn't? How do all of these people get to use them with their rvs?

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:54 PM

A separate subscription and you would need to buy the equipment. Dish does not offer leased receivers for use a couple of time per year as you described.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 10:08 PM

A separate subscription and you would need to buy the equipment. Dish does not offer leased receivers for use a couple of time per year as you described.


so what is violating the agreement, us using it outside of the home, or me using their receiver? Because my dad will be there at the tailgate. I was just going to set it up before he got there. He is just coming down game day for it. I am not trying to get around any rules, and want to make sure we do this right.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 10:16 PM

Just email DISH and ask them if its OK. If the account holder is there, I would think they would say its OK. Its not like they are going to send the DISH police to handcuff you to your receiver.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 10:46 PM

Apparently, your parents have more than one receiver at the home. Therefore, using one of them in a remote location would violate the agreement. It would be possible to receive satellite signals at the home and the remote location simultaneously and there's the rub.
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Posted 12 October 2010 - 11:50 PM

On the last Charlie Chat Charlie suggested taking DISH equipment tailgating. He has also mentioned it on a show years ago. Perhaps he doesn't know the rules? :)

The rules prohibit sharing accounts between two locations or using an account at a location other than the one on file with DISH network (ie: lying about equipment location). While a weekend tailgate is a second location and not one on file with the CEO of the company suggesting it I wouldn't worry about it.

I'm glad to see that the account owner will be present. "Can I use my dad's account" is one of those red flags. Spending time with family while you can is a good thing too!

There are deeper legal issues when a receiver isn't at the specified service address including circumventing blackout rules. Those are rules that even the CEO can't waive.



BTW: You can connect the 612 to multiple TVs at the site but they will all get the same picture.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 01:40 PM

I would not worry about the service agreement, I have taken my 722 camping numerous times. There can be legal issues with blackouts or even non-local networks depending on how far you are going, but then it is illegal how most tailgaters park their cars at tailgates, it is illegal to be drinking beer out in the open .....

Anyway in my experience the most difficult thing with this proposal is aligning the satellites. If this is something you plan to do repeatedly I suggest you spring for one of the mobile antennas that you just hook the receiver up to and it automatically finds the satellites. They are about $800 but will save you time.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 04:24 PM

Hi, newbie here and first off just wanted to say I have been reading through posts for a few hours on here and another forum and it has helped a lot, but there are a few questions I had and a couple things I just wanted to confirm.

I do not have satellite service and can't at my house due to not having a clear shot at the south sky. We do a little bit of tailgaiting (about 4 times a year), which is not worth in my mind getting the service just for that. My parents do have Dish network and I was thinking about getting a satellite and pulling one of their receivers (612) out of their house for the weekend. I just wanted to make sure this would work and is there a specific satellite I need to get? Also could I run two tvs off of this receiver? If so what all do i need to get to do that? Sorry if some of this is very easily answered. I think I could figure a lot of it out if I could look at my parents set up, but I am just going to be able to stop by their house later this week to pick up the receiver and hope to have everything in place I need. Thanks again for any help.

Besides the terms of service problems you may have some equipment problems. The VIP 612 is a HD DVR that will output only 1 channel at a time. If you want to feed 2 TVs they will both watch the same channel at the same time. Also DISH has either Eastern Arc or Western Arc service. Depending on where you are tailgating you will need a 1000.2 Western Arc for 3 satellite locations or a 1000.4 Eastern Arc for 3 satellites located about 90 degrees differently.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 12:22 PM

What if you just changed your service location to the address of the Stadium for the weekend and change it back when the dish returns to it's home location? Would that violate any agreements?

Heck, get a DishMover and the tech can set it up for you :D

Then, you wouldn't be violating any rules.
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 02:42 PM

What if you just changed your service location to the address of the Stadium for the weekend and change it back when the dish returns to it's home location? Would that violate any agreements?

It would if the wife stayed home and watched another receiver on the account ... or if one left a receiver at home to record television missed while away for the game.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 02:45 PM

Isnt the whole point in paying extra every month for additional receivers to cover the fact that different channels will be watched simultaneously on each one? TOS notwithstanding, I see no difference if the wife watches a show in the Kitchen while you watch the game in the living room, or move your living room to a parking lot.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 02:49 PM

Isnt the whole point in paying extra every month for additional receivers to cover the fact that different channels will be watched simultaneously on each one? TOS notwithstanding, I see no difference if the wife watches a show in the Kitchen while you watch the game in the living room, or move your living room to a parking lot.

At the same service address it is fine. At different service addresses not so fine. I was addressing the idea of "changing your address" for the weekend ... which would be more trouble than it is worth and could still leave you in a position of breaking a rule.




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