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Possible Dish Dispute: Belo Corporation (Resolved)


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#1 OFFLINE   Willh

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:59 PM

well i hope WFAA and the rest of the Belo owned stations aren't going into a dispute, cause if it does happen, it's gonna be a triple wammy for DFW area dish customers as not only do we lose FSN Southwest, KDFW & KDFI on Nov 1st, we'll lose 8 too soon. and it seems right that dish might be getting into a dispute with Belo soon as when a while back that Time Warner was almost in a dispute with Belo to carry the Belo O&O stations, they ran ads on WFAA about it and on the switch provider options, Dish wasn't listed, only U-Verse, Fios, and DirecTV,
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 08:15 PM

My recollection might be a little fuzzy, but I think the last go-around with Belo & DISH, Belo wanted DISH to add NWCN (Northwest Cable News) to the Seattle-Spokane-Portland locals.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 12:08 AM

My recollection might be a little fuzzy, but I think the last go-around with Belo & DISH, Belo wanted DISH to add NWCN (Northwest Cable News) to the Seattle-Spokane-Portland locals.


did they ever do it at all, if so, i wonder if they want Dish to add TXCN too, since Belo also owns it, i woundn't mind seeing TXCN on satellite as the only ones who carry TXCN in TX is all of the cable companies, Dish and DirecTV doesn't carry it, i don't know about Uverse or Fios.
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 01:53 PM

No they didn't. But I wouldn't be surprised if it came up again. As I recall, they didn't add it because it was considered a "cable" channel. After the 6 month absence of the Fisher stations I'm not sure how this will go over with subs in the Spokane-Seattle-Portland markets. It could be a lot worse for DISH than losing FX, and the RSNs.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:40 PM

Well, you have the FOX, MSG and now Dallas based Belo Corporation owners of WFAA-TV DFW (Flagship), KING-TV Seattle, KGW-TV Portland just to name a few is possibly in a dispute over transmission of their TV stations.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:08 PM

You're late...Date of article: Tuesday, September 21, 2010
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 09:58 PM

It may be nothing but I would still keep my eye on this one.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 12:04 AM

Ah, well, that's the potential for "other shoes" for Charlie. It's great that Fox pulled their broadcast stations from Cablevision two weeks before possibly pulling them from Dish. It puts Fox in a bad light.

But if another owner of a group of stations uses it to attempt to leverage a contract with Dish and Charlie doesn't blink, then he'll look like a bad guy.

Belo is not News Corp, of course. They don't really have a Rupert Murdoch type personality to challenge Charlie on a personal level. And looking at their last quarterly, they seem to be gaining ground financially. So maybe they'll be able to work it out.

A lot depends on Belo's affiliate contract provisions recently negotiated with CBS, I suppose. Dish probably could give ground on some of those news channels depending on transponder space.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 12:32 AM

Isn't DIGITAL OTA wonderful, no contracts to worry about.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 08:10 AM

No they didn't. But I wouldn't be surprised if it came up again. As I recall, they didn't add it because it was considered a "cable" channel. After the 6 month absence of the Fisher stations I'm not sure how this will go over with subs in the Spokane-Seattle-Portland markets. It could be a lot worse for DISH than losing FX, and the RSNs.

Losing KREM will be a issue for those in Spokane. Most will remember how long KAYU was off of Comcast in 2005 for the entire football season though, so the area is used to this kind of battles.
It would be nice to get NWCN, but the CN does stand for Cable News. Granted I would rather see KHQ's sub channel SWX(Sports and Weather Right Now) to be carried 1st, on Dish. Can pick it up via OTA, but its signal is weak were I am at. In CDA

KHQ has been working hard on a campaign to get all carriers to carry SWX.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 09:40 AM

Isn't DIGITAL OTA wonderful, no contracts to worry about.


Yeah, for those who can mount a big antenna and get reception. Not everyone can.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 09:43 AM

Yeah, for those who can mount a big antenna and get reception. No everyone can.

Golly gee, I've started the permit process for my 800' tower, haven't you?:D

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 09:57 AM

Golly gee, I've started the permit process for my 800' tower, haven't you?:D


:lol: Yea, I'm going to roll my wheelchair on my roof & install my antenna this week. I'd have my dear 61 year old Mom do it, but she broke her toe this week. ;)
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 10:08 AM

When does the Belo contract expire?

This is getting to be too much. I was not that upset by the loss of FSN Midwest. Should the Fox network go away, I'd be a little more upset. But if our CBS channel goes away, I'll be truly ticked off. It's the cumulative effect, really, not due to the value of any one station. I know I could probably get CBS and FOX OTA. But I don't have an antenna and was recently laid off from my job, so spending extra money on TV, something I'm paying for already, is not in the cards. Unfortunately the lack of decent income at this point probably would prevent me from being able to switch to another provider, too.

I'm perfectly willing to side with Dish on isolated issues... But as these conflicts pile up, I'm losing confidence. I'm otherwise a satisfied, even happy, customer. Quite annoying,

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:33 PM

DISH vs Belo ...
Mapdowns are one channel off (where space is available) ... similar to the still unavailable "TP55" Fox O&O related channels.

8259 (23) Austin, TX - (24 KVUE ABC)
7139 (8) Boise, ID - (7 KTVB NBC)
8658 (35) Charlotte, NC - (36 WCNC NBC)
8415 (7) Dallas, TX - (8 WFAA NBC)
8383 (10) Houston, TX - (11 KHOU CBS)
9104 (10) Lousiville, KY - (11 WHAS ABC)
7687 (3) New Orleans, LA - (4 WWL CBS)
7699 (53) New Orleans, LA - (54 WUPL MYTV)
7299 (12) Norfolk, VA - (13 WVEC ABC)
8333 (2) Phoenix, AZ - (3 KTVK CW)
8334 (60) Phoenix, AZ - (61 KASW CW)
8677 (7) Portland, OR - (8 KGW NBC)
8483 (6) San Antonio, TX - (5 KENS CBS)
8619 (6) Seattle, WA - (5 KING NBC)
8625 (15) Seattle, WA - (16 KONG)
9169 (5) Spokane, WA - (2 KREM CBS)
9175 (21) Spokane, WA - (22 WKSN CW)
8595 (3) St Louis, MO - (4 KMOV CBS)
8960 (10) Tucson, AZ - (11 KMSB Fox)
8961 (17) Tucson, AZ - (18 KTTU MYTV)
8805 (37) Twin Falls, ID - (38 KTFT NBC)

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 10:13 AM

When does the Belo contract expire?

The article in the thread above gives a date for Time Warner vs Belo ... I have not seen a date on the expiration of the contract with DISH ... although with the temporary channels added I'd guess within a couple of weeks.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 11:58 AM

The article in the thread above gives a date for Time Warner vs Belo ... I have not seen a date on the expiration of the contract with DISH ... although with the temporary channels added I'd guess within a couple of weeks.


Krem 2 in Spokane, a Belo company, hasn't said anything about the potential issue. Sent a email to them today, no response as of yet, and on there site, which they keep up to date on issues like this, there is nothing on it.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 12:21 PM

:lol: Yea, I'm going to roll my wheelchair on my roof & install my antenna this week. I'd have my dear 61 year old Mom do it, but she broke her toe this week. ;)


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Posted 20 October 2010 - 01:50 PM

Glad I have an OTA module and indoor antenna on my 722k (plus another tabletop antenna on my 211). I won't miss a beat.

It would be something to lose my local Fox and ABC affiliates at the same time. :nono2:

Considering Dish doesn't carry my local PBS, CW or Univision station in HD, I'm surprise more folks don't do OTA. There's also that HD-lite avoidance when going OTA.

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 02:19 PM

It's one thing for fans to lose RSN's for NHL hockey.

It'll be worse when the NBA cranks up.

It'll be really bad if the Fox locals go away, with the World Series and NFL games.

But none of that will even come close if the Belo affiliates (ABC ones) go away. When those countless numbers of women cannot watch General Hospital....the fan will be utterly destroyed by some much stuff hitting it....
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