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#61 OFFLINE   adamson

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:59 PM

Its real neat how this thread and the sticky came about after a big zero of information on anything relative to this in one place. And no this is no boo hoo because my post sometime ago got little attention.

This issue I believe is on the side of the routing device and not Directv equipment. It just seems a lot of routers are not playing nice with MRV. I understand the need to find solutions and obviously thats what this thread is about. As far as I can say the problem is not with Directv whatsoever nor is this their issue. MRV works fine for me without DECA and if I had DECA with internet I am sure it would work well too. Once again its the routing device not your receiver causing the issues. When you all come to realize you need to find a router that will play nice with either DECA or unsupported MRV all will be well. This just makes me think of a solution such as the AM21, we need a device especially made for directv...their own routing device. My bet that will never be. The formality of this thread to me is no more than a lesson for a amateur. Good luck all, and leave the Directv receivers alone, they work but your router does not. This is not Directv's problem period.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:23 PM

Its real neat how this thread and the sticky came about after a big zero of information on anything relative to this in one place. And no this is no boo hoo because my post sometime ago got little attention.

This issue I believe is on the side of the routing device and not Directv equipment. It just seems a lot of routers are not playing nice with MRV. I understand the need to find solutions and obviously thats what this thread is about. As far as I can say the problem is not with Directv whatsoever nor is this their issue. MRV works fine for me without DECA and if I had DECA with internet I am sure it would work well too. Once again its the routing device not your receiver causing the issues. When you all come to realize you need to find a router that will play nice with either DECA or unsupported MRV all will be well. This just makes me think of a solution such as the AM21, we need a device especially made for directv...their own routing device. My bet that will never be. The formality of this thread to me is no more than a lesson for a amateur. Good luck all, and leave the Directv receivers alone, they work but your router does not. This is not Directv's problem period.


And, exactly how are you "sure" of this? There are dozens of reports on this board of folk who had trouble getting DECA and their routers to play nicely together. You've not tried to implement it yourself, so how do you know it would come off without a hitch for you?

One interesting aspect of your entire "its not DirecTV's problem" argument is the AT&T connection. D* has a formal partnership with AT&T so that you can buy "advanced television" from AT&T (which, if your home is not wired for their Uverse, will be D*). But, guess what? The DSL modem that AT&T sells to all it's DSL customers (2Wire) interferes with the DECA network and causes MRV to fail unless you configure as above. I know for a fact that this can happen - because I had the problem myself.

D*'s DECA system simply does not play nicely with the routers that 90% of the users have installed. In my own case, I probably have six or seven different devices (Roku, PS3, TV, Slingbox, printer, two home computers ) running through my router. None of those devices had a single issue - ever. It was only my D* receivers that were problematic.

In other words, every single provider of internet related technology out there has no problem with the ubiquitous 2Wire modems, with the one exception of D* (who is actually partnered with the provider of 2Wire modems). Even if you have D*'s installer come to your home, install the system using their extra-cost ICK, and then you do exactly as they instruct, you will eventually have problems.

I would say that is very much a DirecTV issue, and I honestly can't see how anybody would say different.

Edited by E91, 24 October 2010 - 11:29 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:25 PM

DirecTV has network engineers. I don't see they would find anything of value in this thread and in the end I did not as well and as such I deleted all my comments.

But good luck anyway.


With all due respect, Grog, I spoke to their "network experts" on the phone several times trying to resolve this issue. They steadfastly maintained that ICK and DECA are unrelated and that static IPs would accomplish nothing.

Maybe the true engineers are aware of the issue, but you certainly can't reach anybody on the phone at D* who has even a vague idea regard any of the issues in this thread.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:30 PM

With all due respect, Grog, I spoke to their "network experts" on the phone several times trying to resolve this issue. They steadfastly maintained that ICK and DECA are unrelated and that static IPs would accomplish nothing.


Exactly static ip will accomplish nothing. Get a router that will. And this is not a problem only with DECA, unsupported MRV as well.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 04:44 AM

people say their router does not work well with mrv, but everything else on network works fine. so why blame router?
no deca here so no way to test but have suspected broadband adapter "interrupting" (for lack of better term) dhcp requests/lease updates arbitrarily for no known reason.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 07:21 AM

With all the different routers and their behavior using DHCP...and based on years of testing with static IP and without...

I have my own anecdotal experience that tells me static IP simply results in less problems and provides a more consistent reliable experience - especially with any model or type of DirecTV setup for networking/Internet connectivity.

At least that's what my DIR-655 told me. :D
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 08:09 AM

As helpful as this static IP configuration sticky will be, the fact of the matter is DirecTV will still need to insure that the DHCP client routines work as flawlessly as possible, since only a small % of the DirecTV subscriber base has access to this site and the technical wherewithal to implement our recommendations.

The vast majority of DirecTV customers (and installers) will not know how to statically configure their boxes and will require a dependable "plug and play" solution.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 08:14 AM

The vast majority of DirecTV customers (and installers) will not know how to statically configure their boxes and will require a dependable "plug and play" solution.

Agreed.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 09:20 AM

With all the different routers and their behavior using DHCP...and based on years of testing with static IP and without...

I have my own anecdotal experience that tells me static IP simply results in less problems and provides a more consistent reliable experience - especially with any model or type of DirecTV setup for networking/Internet connectivity.

At least that's what my DIR-655 told me. :D


Static IPs solved alot of my problems but not all. DECA Solved all of my MRV Problems. Thanks Directv.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 09:30 AM

Static IPs solved alot of my problems but not all. DECA Solved all of my MRV Problems. Thanks Directv.

If it worked for Richie.... :D:lol:
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 09:43 AM

lol...made my mornin

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:07 AM

With all due respect, Grog, I spoke to their "network experts" on the phone several times trying to resolve this issue. They steadfastly maintained that ICK and DECA are unrelated and that static IPs would accomplish nothing.


I would tend to think that in a well-behaved DHCP configuration that static IPs would accomplish nothing. The key being "well-behaved" and with the millions of variations of DHCP server, I can understand why folks would say that DHCP is the problem. Not all configurations are well-behaved.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:11 AM

There is a problem and it is not DHCP. If it is doing a DHCP request due to signal loss then it is a problem with signal loss. If it is doing a DHCP request due to a problem with the router then it is a router problem. But the DHCP requests are not timed to happen often and by the technical nature of what DHCP is designed for it is not the issue.


The reality here is that a lot of people by a $50 router/switch (on sale for $20) and expect it to function like a $3,000 router/switch. This contributes to the lack of a well-behaved system.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:12 AM

I would tend to think that in a well-behaved DHCP configuration that static IPs would accomplish nothing. The key being "well-behaved" and with the millions of variations of DHCP server, I can understand why folks would say that DHCP is the problem. Not all configurations are well-behaved.


I'm not sure what "well behaved" means. However, once again I point to D*'s strategic partnership with AT*T. As far as I can tell, the 2Wire modem that AT&T provides to all of it's non-commerical users can not co-exist with DECA unless you configure the receivers with static IPs. So, by whatever the standard is for "well behaved", one of the most ubiquitous modems in the home of D* users is not going to qualify.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:16 AM

I would tend to think that in a well-behaved DHCP configuration that static IPs would accomplish nothing. The key being "well-behaved" and with the millions of variations of DHCP server, I can understand why folks would say that DHCP is the problem. Not all configurations are well-behaved.

Boy did I learn that lesson more than once... :eek2::D:lol:
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:17 AM

All I know is that the Proof is in the Pudding. Static IP Addresses worked well for me and I don't know why technically or do I even care because all I want to do is Watch What I Want When I Want and Where I Want To Watch It and that is what DECA and WHDVR did for me and Static IP Addressing got me closer to that point and DECA finally got me to Flawless MRV!!!

I did not want to become a LAN Network Guru just to get MRV working but I was learning alot more about it then I ever cared about.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:20 AM

I really don't get those that think DHCP isn't the problem.
Now, since I've had both:

  • Bulletproof MRV with DHCP and totally plug & play.
  • Problems with MRV with DHCP, that happen every 24+ hours [daily] and my router's lease time is 24 hours.
I'm not a ethernet specialist and have stayed out of networking threads, leaving them to those that are.
I am an RF specialist and have been using/testing DECA for over a year. When DECA went national, I have been trying to help those with problems.
I can tell you that many have had problems that have nothing to do with DECA, and everything to do with the connection to the router.
Remove the router from the setup and DECA/MRV is bulletproof.

I've worked with some that use the same router I have and have close to the same configuration that was bulletproof for me and it wasn't for them.

Wireless routers seem to be more common with the problem setups than those not using them.

Adding a wireless device to my bulletproof setup has caused it to fail every 24+ hours.

I don't need to know the source of dog poop to know when I've stepped in it. I've stepped in it. Now what I need to do is watch out for it so I don't step in it again.

Changing all my IP addresses to those outside of the DHCP pool has returned my system to being bulletproof. I didn't need to go back into my router to do this, but simply use the receiver's advanced networking setup.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:20 AM

All I know is that the Proof is in the Pudding. Static IP Addresses worked well for me and I don't know why technically or do I even care because all I want to do is Watch What I Want When I Want and Where I Want To Watch It and that is what DECA and WHDVR did for me and Static IP Addressing got me closer to that point and DECA finally got me to Flawless MRV!!!

I did not want to become a LAN Network Guru just to get MRV working but I was learning alot more about it then I ever cared about.

I'm guessing alot of typical users would feel the same way.

Some of us geeks, on the other hand, enjoy the challenge of the nuts and bolts from time to time.

But for the mainstream user base - having a "plug and play" methodology makes a whole lot of sense.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:28 AM

I don't need to know the source of dog poop to know when I've stepped in it. I've stepped in it. Now what I need to do is watch out for it so I don't step in it again.


Now That Is FUNNY!!! :lol:

That Made My Day Too!!!

Edited by Richierich, 25 October 2010 - 10:40 AM.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:28 AM

I really don't get those that think DHCP isn't the problem.
Now, since I've had both:

  • Bulletproof MRV with DHCP and totally plug & play.
  • Problems with MRV with DHCP, that happen every 24+ hours [daily] and my router's lease time is 24 hours.

probably shows the receivers themselves are not accepting the assignment.

I'm not a ethernet specialist and have stayed out of networking threads, leaving them to those that are.
I am an RF specialist and have been using/testing DECA for over a year. When DECA went national, I have been trying to help those with problems.
I can tell you that many have had problems that have nothing to do with DECA, and everything to do with the connection to the router.
Remove the router from the setup and DECA/MRV is bulletproof.

because nothing is handing out addresses the units stay static.

I've worked with some that use the same router I have and have close to the same configuration that was bulletproof for me and it wasn't for them.

and you don't see how this could be receivers/deca?

Wireless routers seem to be more common with the problem setups than those not using them.

Adding a wireless device to my bulletproof setup has caused it to fail every 24+ hours.

there does seem to be router issues with wifi, perhaps firmware in router

I don't need to know the source of dog poop to know when I've stepped in it. I've stepped in it. Now what I need to do is watch out for it so I don't step in it again.

Changing all my IP addresses to those outside of the DHCP pool has returned my system to being bulletproof. I didn't need to go back into my router to do this, but simply use the receiver's advanced networking setup.

so if not using dhcp in receivers (since you are outside of pool) the fact it works does not show dhcp is the issue on the router end. it could be issue on receiver.
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