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What size of hdtv can a sd receiver be used before the picture looks funny?


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#1 OFFLINE   cmf21

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 11:07 PM

Getting service again in a few weeks. We're getting a hd receiver and two standard receivers. We currently have 1 34" Sony HDTV Crt and a 27" Sony standard crt. We are going to be buying an hd lcd set but are undecided on what size and were wondering how large a hdtv we can have with a standard receiver before the picture looks funny. Should we just pay the extra money and get another hd receiver instead of using one of the standard receivers we're getting. We previously had a sd receiver on the 34" hdtv which looked alright.

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#2 OFFLINE   matt

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 11:16 PM

I would opt for another HD receiver if you will be getting your HDTV anytime soon.
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Posted 17 November 2010 - 11:56 PM

I would probably splurge for the HD recevier or HD-DVR. If you are just starting up service, you can probably get a good deal on it.

As for size TV vs. SD receiver, I had a SD-DVR hooked up to a 55" HDTV and it looked just fine using component cables. Of course, it is much better now that I have HD service. :)

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 04:33 AM

To answer the original base question...I suspect once you get over about 27"...you'll notice just how poor SD looks..especially compared to seeing HD there regularly.

I'd agree with the others that migrating to an HD receiver will likely be your least painful experience.
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Posted 18 November 2010 - 07:06 AM

I don't understand why you wouldn't just get another HD DVR to begin with? :scratch:

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 08:07 AM

It all depends on your viewing distance. We have a 32" up in the BR. from 20' or more, it's hard to tell a difference between the SD channels and HD. Anything closer though, and it becomes more and more noticeable.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 08:07 AM

If you are going to get another receiver added to your account, do not, under any circumstances allow a CSR to tell you that they can't add it, but they will put it on the notes and the tech in the field will fix it.

that will NOT happen the way you want it. It will annoy the tech, cause the job to go at least 30 mins longer, if not more, and that's even IF the tech has the extra HD equipment on his truck.

Flat out insist that they cancel your order and re-built it if they can't just add the receiver. then check your order online and make sure they actually did change it and not just BS you past the point that they got you off the phone with them.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 09:57 AM

Depends on your definition of funny. I watch sd on my 126" screen occasionally and it's ok. Not hd, but very watchable.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 10:15 AM

Getting service again in a few weeks. We're getting a hd receiver and two standard receivers. We currently have 1 34" Sony HDTV Crt and a 27" Sony standard crt. We are going to be buying an hd lcd set but are undecided on what size and were wondering how large a hdtv we can have with a standard receiver before the picture looks funny. Should we just pay the extra money and get another hd receiver instead of using one of the standard receivers we're getting. We previously had a sd receiver on the 34" hdtv which looked alright.


Going with a HD receiver is your best option. Why invest money in a HDTV and not take full advantage of what it can do. Viewing distance will dictate what screen size you should go with. Go to "Viewing Distance Calculator", type in the info and it will tell you what screen size is best. Also calibrate your new HDTV. Your picture quality will be at it's maximum. If you cannot afford to have your TV calibrated by a professional there are several inexpensive Calibration DVDs that will improve your picture quality.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 11:42 AM

Getting service again in a few weeks. We're getting a hd receiver and two standard receivers. We currently have 1 34" Sony HDTV Crt and a 27" Sony standard crt. We are going to be buying an hd lcd set but are undecided on what size and were wondering how large a hdtv we can have with a standard receiver before the picture looks funny. Should we just pay the extra money and get another hd receiver instead of using one of the standard receivers we're getting. We previously had a sd receiver on the 34" hdtv which looked alright.


I would make them provide HD receivers instead of SD. If you take SD receivers now, then upgrading them later (which you will want to do once you have HD) will be an "upgrade" and will have strings attached. It shoudn't be too hard to get them to provide the HD receviers (if they're non-dvr) at no charge.
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Posted 18 November 2010 - 09:03 PM

I was running an R10 on our 46" hdtv for a few months. It looked okay until I had an HR21 to compare it to. :)

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 08:03 AM

Depends on your definition of funny. I watch sd on my 126" screen occasionally and it's ok. Not hd, but very watchable.


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Posted 19 November 2010 - 09:38 AM

...and I thought my eye sight was bad!:)

I"ve been spoiled rotten. I don't watch anything that isn't HD...well, near nothing, and I don't record anything whatsoever in SD. I just can't watch it. Thank God 99% of what I have interest in is already some form of HD (some are "better" HD than others):)


Don't give up on all SD yet. I just bought my third Panny BD65 player and when streaming NetFlix on it, the SD pictures, while in 4:3 mode, are upscaled to a 1080p (I can't really tell, but I think it's 1080/60p) picture and are clear as a bell on my plasmas. Even on the 720p plasmas. The BD player even upscales the 720p streaming HD NetFlix to 1080p and produces a much better picture than my Rokus can. The SD content on my Rokus is virtually unwatchable.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 09:51 AM

. The SD content on my Rokus is virtually unwatchable.

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I'll second that, Rich, at least much of it. Some is unbelievably bad, some is pseudo-standard dvd quality and that I can watch for a while.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 01:58 PM

I'll second that, Rich, at least much of it. Some is unbelievably bad, some is pseudo-standard dvd quality and that I can watch for a while.


Ah, you should try one of the Net ready Panny BD players. I'm still amazed at the picture they pump out. Makes the Rokus look like cheap toys.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 03:56 PM

Ah, you should try one of the Net ready Panny BD players. I'm still amazed at the picture they pump out. Makes the Rokus look like cheap toys.

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I was just thinking of something like that the other day...replacing my old Roku with an upconverting, netflix aware blu-ray player. I don't want to spend a fortune for just the bedroom, so I'm considering the Vizio (with built-in N wireless) for $138 bucks. If it goes on sale for even less, I might pull the trigger.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 04:31 PM

It is a function of where you are seated in relation to the screen as much as if not more than the sheer size of the display. http://myhometheater...calculator.html

...should answer most of your questions.

Incidentally, it is not just that modern FPs look fuzzy for SD because they are bigger; CRTs have a natural "ringing" artifact that works like edge enhancement and actually makes SD look sharper than it actually is, or than it can display on a FP.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:48 AM

I was just thinking of something like that the other day...replacing my old Roku with an upconverting, netflix aware blu-ray player. I don't want to spend a fortune for just the bedroom, so I'm considering the Vizio (with built-in N wireless) for $138 bucks. If it goes on sale for even less, I might pull the trigger.


You can get the Panny BD 65 at amazon.com for $103. Amazingly good PQ on both SD and HD and it upscales both. Has, NetFlix, You Tube and Pandora and lots of room for more.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:44 PM

You can get the Panny BD 65 at amazon.com for $103. Amazingly good PQ on both SD and HD and it upscales both. Has, NetFlix, You Tube and Pandora and lots of room for more.

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+1 for the Panasonic BD65. We have a slow 768 DSL connection and thought there was no way we would be able to stream Netflix, but with the exception of one title every movie has been perfectly watchable on a 42" plasma.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 08:43 AM

+1 for the Panasonic BD65. We have a slow 768 DSL connection and thought there was no way we would be able to stream Netflix, but with the exception of one title every movie has been perfectly watchable on a 42" plasma.


I gotta admit that I thought the Rokus were the best streaming devices, but the BD65 changed my mind quickly. I've got three of them now and if the soon to come 1080p streaming NetFlix content causes any problems with three Rokus I have, they'll be gone and I'll have a couple more 65s.

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