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Replace 722 with 2 612s?


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#1 OFFLINE   keiths2112

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 08:07 AM

I wanted to see what the cost change might be (before I call Dish) if I
replace my 722 with 2 612s. My bill currently shows a $6 DVR Service
charge per month. The reason I'm looking at doing this is to drive both
TV's at HD, plus get the extra tuners to record shows.

One other thought, will my external HD and the shows on it, be able to work
with one of the 612s?

Thanks everyone!

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#2 OFFLINE   boba

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 09:01 AM

I wanted to see what the cost change might be (before I call Dish) if I
replace my 722 with 2 612s. My bill currently shows a $6 DVR Service
charge per month. The reason I'm looking at doing this is to drive both
TV's at HD, plus get the extra tuners to record shows.

One other thought, will my external HD and the shows on it, be able to work
with one of the 612s?

Thanks everyone!


You should have a $10/mo. increase for the second DVR receiver,HD should work on both 612s, and you will have HD for both TVs.

DISH will charge an upgrade fee for each 612 so you will probably want to keep the 722 and just add one 612.:)

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 10:06 AM

Since your 1st/most expensive DVR is included in your bill, I would keep the 722, and add a 612. Your DVR fee wont change as its a single fee nowadays instead of per DVR fee. Your EHD will work on the 612, and 722 or both 612's depending on how you go, just make sure you remind them, you have paid for the EHD service already and to authorize the 612(or 2 612's) when you set them up. 722 in single mode has PiP, Swap, DLB, features that are nice to have on the main TV.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 01:14 PM

He will have to pay an additional $10.00 per month for the 612 in addition to the per account fee of $6.00.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 01:28 PM

I have a 722 and a 612. Here's my bill:

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The bill would be exactly the same with two 612's. And for reasons related to my experiences with the two models performance, I would strongly recommend not replacing your 722.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 01:45 PM

I have a 722 and a 612. Here's my bill:

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The bill would be exactly the same with two 612's. And for reasons related to my experiences with the two models performance, I would strongly recommend not replacing your 722.

Phrelin, makes a very good point. Price wont be any different, and the 722 is a better DVR, and more features to boot.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 04:25 PM

I've been discussing something similar in another thread, the question works here too I think

I have a 722 and a 622, if I replaced the 622 with a 612 solo or a 211K and added an EHD to it, what line items get affected on the bill

HD Duo (2TV) DVR Receiver 17.00 is now with 722 & 622

So if I went to a 722 and a 612 does that line merely become $10 or some other cost?

If I went to a 722 and a 211k, does that line go to $10 and I save $7, but I get the one time EHD fee if I've never activated that?

Just to make sure I am clear, the EHD fee is for all receivers on an account that would support one. I know that a EHD on a 211 does not cross over.

I know that the DVR fee is there no matter what of $6.. if I have a DVR, would this go away with 211K with EHD?

If I elected to add one more 211K to my acct, so I have say 3 receivers, is there a new line item or does another line item merely go up?

One of these days I may actually get this straight.. and remember it, and then Dish will change it.
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 05:11 PM

You used to be able to see the chart for extra receivers on the DISH web site, then only when you logged in, then it may have disappeared with a web site update. You can see phrelin's copyHere
Add a 211 will increase cost by $7/month. Replace a 622 with a 612 will reduce $17 to $10. Replace it with a 211 will reduce $17 to $7.

Memorize the chart and somebody will think you know something. :D

OR, you could buy back your 942 and give it to your friend! ;)

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 06:39 PM

Bill, your funny:lol::lol:... However, now I may actually have it figured out, at least until Dish changes it again... How is that 942 anyway?
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:18 PM

Is the EHD fee per account or per receiver??
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:48 PM

EHD is $40 per account for all except 211 which has its own $40. The 211's EHD is treated like the Internal on a DVR as far as UI is concerned, but doesn't cause the $6 DVR fee to be charged (on real internal drive ViP).

Your 942 caused DISH to ship me a 722 at no cost, but I keep the 942. It still records OTA (no guide). But after about a year, DISH changed the rules and started charging me $9/month for the 722 because I paid for AT120 annually and didn't have a monthly ATxxx for the first (ONLY) receiver on the account to be no added charge. I switched to monthly and gave up what had been over a decade of annual.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 08:10 PM

As someone who swapped out two very flaky 612's for a 722k, do NOT under any circumstances give up the first 722k. They are solid receivers. If you get a 612, I would advise that it go in the location that is used less frequently.

In fact, my mother, who had to move into my house because she couldn't handle living alone anymore, is getting an HD set. I currently have two 722k receivers, with her output coming from the TV2 output of the bedroom unit. On Sunday, Dish Network installed a 211k for Mom's room for HD, with the TV coming tomorrow from Amazon via UPS. I opted to keep the two 722k receivers, even though it would be $7 more per month overall. I just couldn't stand the thought of a 612 coming back in to this house.

Adding a 211k and adding the external drive could be the way to go if you only need one input on the second receiver.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 09:03 PM

EHD is $40 per account for all except 211 which has its own $40. The 211's EHD is treated like the Internal on a DVR as far as UI is concerned, but doesn't cause the $6 DVR fee to be charged (on real internal drive ViP).

Your 942 caused DISH to ship me a 722 at no cost, but I keep the 942. It still records OTA (no guide). But after about a year, DISH changed the rules and started charging me $9/month for the 722 because I paid for AT120 annually and didn't have a monthly ATxxx for the first (ONLY) receiver on the account to be no added charge. I switched to monthly and gave up what had been over a decade of annual.


Bill, just so I am clear, if I for sake of discussion had a 722 and a 211, I could add the EHD to my account, but it would only work on the specified receiver, the 211, if I wanted to add an EHD to my 722, it would be more? or $80?

Interesting on the 942-722.. Isn't there a savings on paying annually? But it wasn't enough to work with the $9 fee?
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 12:49 AM

One way to think of the difference between using a USB Drive with 622/722/722k DVRs and using one with the 211 receiver is
  • with the DVR's it is just a place to move recorded programming off the internal hard drive to an external hard drive for storage
  • with the 211 the USB Drive becomes the internal hard drive equivalent converting the 211 to a DVR.
So two entirely different functions are being activated on two entirely different pieces of equipment.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 10:48 AM

Interesting on the 942-722.. Isn't there a savings on paying annually? But it wasn't enough to work with the $9 fee?


What phrelin said on the EHD fees - one $40 covers all the ViP DVRs (612 too) on an account and a separate $40 covers all the 211s on an account.

Annual payments get you 12 months for the price of 11 (sort of). That saves $35 for an AT120 user like me. Locals aren't part of annual, and you actually pay $5.99 instead of $5 (but have that as an option) monthly for locals. There went $11.88 of the savings. You can't get Free HD for Life with annual - there went $120. If you agreed to swap a 942 for a 722 "for only a penny more a month", you get dinged another $9/month - there went $108. It is just too expensive to save that $35 with annual.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 11:34 AM

Bill, that's interesting, my friend is on annual, I guess I'll have to recommend that he go to auto-pay as he won't be saving anything by using the annual method once he goes HD..

I can see the difference in how they use the EHD for one receiver model over another, though its still rather annoying, (what else is new with Dish fees) that there is a difference in EHD based on type of receiver on a single account. While chances are if I try and save a few $$ by switching from my 622 to a 211 for my bedroom of TV, that I won't activate EHD for my 722, just for the 211..

Personally, I like many others just wish that these nickel and dime fees would just go away and make it a part of the normal monthly fee so that you don't need to ask a thousand questions as to why it works that way, merely because you didn't pay some fee.

The EHD Fee is also pretty spendy, I would bet Dish would make more money if they lowered the cost to say $20-25, because of people that might want to use an EHD, but balk at the $40 fee..
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 08:26 PM

Thanks for all the replies, this is good information. So it seems that you do NOT save money by replacing the 722 with a 612. Looks like I'll have the $6 dvr fee and Dish will add $10 for a 2nd receiver. According to this link (thanks for that by the way)

http://www.dbstalk.c...pdate&p=2376499

I could pay $17 to add a 722. So it really boils down to pay $10 for a 612 or $17 for another 722. Both are HD, both dual tuners. Only difference would be the 722 could drive 2 tv's. I wonder if I could have each tv paired up so that
each tv is a primary for one 722 and secondary for the other 722. That way I can watch any recording on either TV, just the resolution changes if it happens to be on the secondary tv. I'm sure someone has already tried this?

One last thought, instead of a 722, could I get the 922 with the slingbox built in? I assume I would be charged the same $17 or is there another charge for the 922.

Edited by keiths2112, 01 December 2010 - 04:22 PM.
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