Jump to content


Welcome to DBSTalk


Sign In 

Create Account
Welcome to DBSTalk. Our community covers all aspects of video delivery solutions including: Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS), Cable Television, and Internet Protocol Television (IPTV). We also have forums to discuss popular television programs, home theater equipment, and internet streaming service providers. Members of our community include experts who can help you solve technical problems, industry professionals, company representatives, and novices who are here to learn.

Like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community. Sign-up is a free and simple process that requires minimal information. Be a part of our community by signing in or creating an account. The Digital Bit Stream starts here!
  • Reply to existing topics or start a discussion of your own
  • Subscribe to topics and forums and get email updates
  • Send private personal messages (PM) to other forum members
  • Customize your profile page and make new friends
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo
- - - - -

"Leverage" returns Sunday


  • Please log in to reply
34 replies to this topic

#26 OFFLINE   lugnutathome

lugnutathome

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 2,958 posts
  • LocationWoodburn, OR
Joined: Apr 13, 2009

Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:15 AM

Wonder if it could be shopped with USA, AMC, and Lifetime, or even SyFy? Even with the new "triad" in charge it has potiential to evolve yet carry some of its same charm forward.

I will miss watching the shoot locations as they are all around Portland where I work:(

Don "this is one show I will miss" Bolton

Go fast, turn left, repeat until done.


#27 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

Stewart Vernon

    Excellent Adventurer

  • Moderators
  • 20,421 posts
  • LocationKittrell, NC
Joined: Jan 07, 2005

Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:44 PM

As much as I would like to see the show continue... TNT isn't cancel-happy, so if they decided to pass after 5 years, I'm thinking it might be hard for them to sell to another cable network.

Don't get me wrong... I would welcome it... I'm just not hopeful.

My best guess would be USA and their "character welcome" mantra... Leverage is a show that would fit with them and I think their other shows' audience.

-- !rotaredoM mA eM

What I do when I'm not here


#28 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

RunnerFL

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 16,252 posts
Joined: Jan 04, 2006

Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

As much as I would like to see the show continue... TNT isn't cancel-happy, so if they decided to pass after 5 years, I'm thinking it might be hard for them to sell to another cable network.

Don't get me wrong... I would welcome it... I'm just not hopeful.

My best guess would be USA and their "character welcome" mantra... Leverage is a show that would fit with them and I think their other shows' audience.


It also seems like Dean Devlin wants to move on to other things anyways. Why else would he have already filmed the series finale and have it ready to go?
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

#29 OFFLINE   Drucifer

Drucifer

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 8,539 posts
  • LocationNY Hudson Valley
Joined: Feb 12, 2009

Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:17 PM

I need the Series Manager space.

DREW
Do it Right, Do it Once
LR: HR34-7, Bsm: HR24-1, Den HR24-2, MB: HR24-5, Kit: H25-5
PrimeStar '95, DirecTV  '00


#30 OFFLINE   The Merg

The Merg

    1*

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 10,282 posts
  • LocationNorthern VA
Joined: Jun 24, 2007

Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

It also seems like Dean Devlin wants to move on to other things anyways. Why else would he have already filmed the series finale and have it ready to go?


The story for the finale was already written for the end of Season 1 when they weren't sure if it would be picked up for a second season. They used for this season as it appeared as they would not be picked up for a Season 6. If they had been picked up, he left it open enough that they could continue on with the series.

- Merg

Today's problems don't worry me, I haven't solved yesterday's yet.

SlimLine-3 Dish w/ SWM16 (HD Service / WHDVR) / Full Setup
HR34-700 / Panasonic TC-P50G25 HDTV / HDMI / Networked - DECA / Family Room
HR44-700 / Samsung HCM5525W HDTV / Component / Networked - DECA / Bedroom

HR24-100 / Samsung HCM5525W HDTV / Component / Networked - DECA / Bedroom


#31 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

RunnerFL

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 16,252 posts
Joined: Jan 04, 2006

Posted 26 December 2012 - 08:44 PM

The story for the finale was already written for the end of Season 1 when they weren't sure if it would be picked up for a second season. They used for this season as it appeared as they would not be picked up for a Season 6. If they had been picked up, he left it open enough that they could continue on with the series.

- Merg


I can't see how it was written back then. That was at least 2 cities ago and they were nowhere near Portland in season 1. Unless they just wrote it as "City X" at the time. And even if it were written back then it certainly wasn't flimed then. I'm sure someone knew it was coming to an end otherwise they wouldn't have flimed it months ago to now be claiming it was meant to be the finale all along. Probably one of those things where someone wanted more money and they couldn't agree so they just said "oh well, we'll jus tmake this week's the end".
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

#32 OFFLINE   lugnutathome

lugnutathome

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 2,958 posts
  • LocationWoodburn, OR
Joined: Apr 13, 2009

Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:07 PM

Earlier in this thread is a letter from Dean Devlin saying in essence that when they launched the show they had envisioned how to end it. The storyline itself wasn't written only the resulting lives of the main characters.

In yet another letter also posted above Dean stated that due to the uncertainty of renewal this year, they worked the last three episodes to end as had been initially envisioned.

Had they been renewed seeing how it concluded, it would be easy to create a story that would bring the band back together maybe introduce some new drama over span of episodes to get to that point.

Yes it was formula TV but it had a great escapist quality and a female "howlin mad Murdoch" to boot. Plus it filmed at locations I sometimes have lunch at. . .

Don "at least it ended as a new beginning who knows it may be a movie someday" Bolton

I can't see how it was written back then. That was at least 2 cities ago and they were nowhere near Portland in season 1. Unless they just wrote it as "City X" at the time. And even if it were written back then it certainly wasn't flimed then. I'm sure someone knew it was coming to an end otherwise they wouldn't have flimed it months ago to now be claiming it was meant to be the finale all along. Probably one of those things where someone wanted more money and they couldn't agree so they just said "oh well, we'll jus tmake this week's the end".


Go fast, turn left, repeat until done.


#33 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

RunnerFL

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 16,252 posts
Joined: Jan 04, 2006

Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:19 PM

Earlier in this thread is a letter from Dean Devlin saying in essence that when they launched the show they had envisioned how to end it. The storyline itself wasn't written only the resulting lives of the main characters.

In yet another letter also posted above Dean stated that due to the uncertainty of renewal this year, they worked the last three episodes to end as had been initially envisioned.

Had they been renewed seeing how it concluded, it would be easy to create a story that would bring the band back together maybe introduce some new drama over span of episodes to get to that point.

Yes it was formula TV but it had a great escapist quality and a female "howlin mad Murdoch" to boot. Plus it filmed at locations I sometimes have lunch at. . .

Don "at least it ended as a new beginning who knows it may be a movie someday" Bolton


I'm the one who posted the link...

I know what you guys are saying, I'm just not drinking the Kool-Aid so to speak. It's one thing to say "we know how it ends" while you're still writing/shooting Season 1 but it's something completely different to say "oh, we knew all along" when the carpet gets yanked out from under you.
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

#34 OFFLINE   lugnutathome

lugnutathome

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 2,958 posts
  • LocationWoodburn, OR
Joined: Apr 13, 2009

Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:01 PM

Drinking the Kool-Ade? Hmmm. You don't just rip open the pack and snort it?
Well now that makes more sense:grin:

Don "the Devlin made me do it:eek2:" Bolton


I'm the one who posted the link...

I know what you guys are saying, I'm just not drinking the Kool-Aid so to speak. It's one thing to say "we know how it ends" while you're still writing/shooting Season 1 but it's something completely different to say "oh, we knew all along" when the carpet gets yanked out from under you.


Go fast, turn left, repeat until done.


#35 OFFLINE   TomCat

TomCat

    Broadcast Engineer

  • Registered
  • 3,785 posts
Joined: Aug 31, 2002

Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

Creativity is not linear. It is completely within the realm of possibility that the concept envisioned years ago contained many elements of the last act, but obviously you as the EP postpone the last act until, well, the last.

It is also not something that you can turn on and off at will like a faucet; there are fits and starts. This can lead to clinker eps when the assembly line dictates that you as a producer need to have 22 eps in the can every year. If I am the programming head of TNT, just one ep of the quality level of "The Office Job" is enough to get me to wonder if the well is going dry and whether to consider putting the show out of its misery.

The lessons of Lost are not "lost" on TV producers; JJ and crew pitched an idea without really having much beyond the first 6 episodes, and still somehow brilliantly continued with an iconic groundbreaking series that while it didn't have much serial coherence at times, still provided quality entertainment encapsulated in each episode. To enjoy the show, you had to stop worrying about what you had forgotten about in previous episodes and where the show was taking us, and when you did that single episodes of the show could stand alone, and were revealed to be episodically brilliant and endlessly entertaining.

But it was seeing the finish line and knowing they would have to craft the storyline to get there that reinvigorated the show and made it better the last two seasons after flailing aimlessly a bit in the middle seasons.

It appears that Devlin and others learned that lesson; he tried to have a long view for where the show would go, and when continued mediocre ratings threatened the longevity of the show and he felt like there was a good ending that he could not take a chance on not being allowed to tell, he dealt his ace card as a hedge against any bets that it would be picked up for 6. The right thing to do, and proven correct by the fact that the show was not picked up.

As much as I miss Parker and her little Scooby gang, this was probably how things should have gone; we want to remember a show as it was in its prime, and not as a dying, gasping shadow of its former self. We all remember when the best TV drama of all time (X Files) stayed at the party a full two years longer than it should have, and in so doing devolved into one of the worst TV dramas of all time. We don't want to go through that ever again.

And when God closes a door he opens a window. These talented actors, writers, producers, and showrunners can't be available to work on good new shows if they are handcuffed by continuing to have to work on shows that have passed their prime and aren't all that good anymore. So it's a good thing. Bittersweet, but the way it should be.

Edited by TomCat, 07 January 2013 - 06:27 PM.

It's usually safe to talk honestly and openly with people because they typically are not really listening anyway.




Protected By... spam firewall...And...