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MUST I upgrade to SWM/DECA hardware for Whole Home DVR?


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#41 OFFLINE   mjwagner

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 02:32 PM

... - it just happens to work (for now) too. But then...there's a reason DirecTV calls it "unsupported".


We do agree on most of the discussion but this is where I think we part company. D's chief technologist, Romulo Pontual, spent a good five or six minutes on DECA during the most recent investor briefing (see my previous post for the link and the exact point in the presentation). Did he mention anything at all about superior technology for moving video around a network or putting in place superior technology for future capabilities? No. He spent the entire time talking about the fact that it was technology that the installer community already understood and something that would be easier for them to install and support and for D to troubleshoot. Which, IMHO, is the real reason for DECA. Clearly many here disagree with that position hence the constant beating of this tired old dead horse....:beatdeadhorse:
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#42 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 02:38 PM

We do agree on most of the discussion but this is where I think we part company. D's chief technologist, Romulo Pontual, spent a good five or six minutes on DECA during the most recent investor briefing (see my previous post for the link and the exact point in the presentation). Did he mention anything at all about superior technology for moving video around a network or putting in place superior technology for future capabilities? No.

"Superior" and "preferred for future enhancements" are two entirely different things.

Let's see where this discussion is in say....3-6 months... ;)
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 02:40 PM

Let's see where this discussion is in say....3-6 months... ;)

Hell, let's see what happens if marketing gets their way. :lol:
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 03:01 PM

Hell, let's see what happens if marketing gets their way. :lol:
"Unsupported" was like pulling teeth to get them to allow.


I can only imagine...:)
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 03:59 PM

The original question was "MUST I upgrade to SWM/DECA hardware for Whole Home DVR?"

The answer to that question is NO.


I started out with MRV over DECA and switched to Ethernet to find out if the claims about the superiority of DECA were justified. On my system, there was no discernible difference in the performance of MRV over DECA or Ethernet. In the interest of full disclosure, my Ethernet network uses good hardware, is properly installed and configured and the MRV portion of the network was isolated using a 3COM GigE switch. I changed back to MRV over DECA once I had established that there was no discernible performance difference.

There is also no difference in the "support" that DirecTV provides for MRV via Ethernet or DECA; it is non-existent for either one. If you can't figure out solutions for yourself or find them here, there is certainly no point in calling DirecTV.

Just my experience and opinion, YMMV.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 04:03 PM

I found that DECA provided a Consistent Product with no Hiccups or Pixellation or "No Audio/Video Packets Found".

With DECA it just works with No Problems. I would Rate my LAN MRV at 8 and my DECA MRV at 10.
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#47 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 04:26 PM

The original question was "MUST I upgrade to SWM/DECA hardware for Whole Home DVR?"

The answer to that question is NO.

That was the same answer given many posts ago...back in Post #4 to be exact....it just didn't seem enough for a few folks who chose to make it into a debate.

Then again...there was alot of information after all that as to why it might be prudent to have DECA, especially going into 2011 and beyond.
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 04:54 PM

That was the same answer given many posts ago...back in Post #4 to be exact....it just didn't seem enough for a few folks who chose to make it into a debate.

Then again...there was alot of information after all that as to why it might be prudent to have DECA, especially going into 2011 and beyond.


...and there was also lots of information that supported why you really might not need it....:D
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 04:57 PM

...and there was also lots of information that supported why you really might not need it....:D

Agreed, you are correct.

Again, both will work at this time.

However, when we find out why DECA becomes required for more things in 2011...guess who gets to be first to say "I told you so..."? :D:lol:
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:22 PM

I for one have enjoyed the debate shared here, so thanks for the opinions, insights and info shared. That, after all, is the power of this forum.

With that being said, and being much more informed from when I stirred up the subject, I do have one last clarifying statement and question. At this time I plan to "give MRV a go" with my existing hardwired network which is rock solid and proven over many years of use. However, it is a 100Mbit network not GigE.

So, I'm going to roll the dice and at least try it. If I run into performance or quality issues then I will go with DECA. And I will report back on my results. I'll be calling D* tomorrow to order the additional HD-DVR and get the ball rolling...
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 07:06 AM

So, I'm going to roll the dice and at least try it. If I run into performance or quality issues then I will go with DECA. And I will report back on my results. I'll be calling D* tomorrow to order the additional HD-DVR and get the ball rolling...

As several folks stated...there's no risk or problem using your own network (make sure when you call DirecTV you let them know its the "unsupported" MRV you wish to activate). You can always switch and have them install DECA in the future.
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 08:51 AM

Agreed, you are correct.

Again, both will work at this time.

However, when we find out why DECA becomes required for more things in 2011...guess who gets to be first to say "I told you so..."? :D:lol:


If it becomes required I hope that the CSRs and installers will know how to handle an order by that time. I tried to have it installed twice when it was cheaper now that it's double I'll stay with the cat-5. If they "require" it maybe that will lower the cost, they won't just say give us $250 or else.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:00 AM

... it is a 100Mbit network not GigE....


This will not be a problem as the Ethernet ports on the D boxes only support 100 Mbps anyway.
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