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#51 OFFLINE   iainleaver

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 02:46 PM

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#52 OFFLINE   gully_foyle

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 02:53 PM

I'm not a big fan of a la carte, but perhaps locals could be done that way. You get all the stations that offer free retransmission, and a pass-through of the per-subscriber charges each station imposes. Since these stations have opted out of must-carry, that shouldn't be a problem.

DirecTV would then drop the $2 local charge and cover remaining overhead in its basic package fee. The result would be that individual subscribers would decide if the station is worth the demanded fee, and DirecTV could wash their hands of it.
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Posted 01 January 2011 - 03:01 PM

I expect the Raycom channels to stay on .. There really shouldn't be anything to worry about with them.


Yes, if they are actually negotiating in good faith and the delay is just holidays and lawyering I'd be shocked if the stations went dark while negotiations were in progress. A simple handshake agreement would suffice to keep them up for a few days if all the agreement needed was review and signoff.
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#54 OFFLINE   cariera

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 05:41 PM

DirecTV charges $5 for local channels - multiple local channels.


Directv does not charge anything for local channels on their current packages. They are include in the markets where locals are provided. If you are in a market where Directv does not provide locals, your package is discounted by $3/month. You could intrepret that to mean that Directv charges $3/month for locals, but that is just included in the monthly package charge.

With some older expired/grandfathered package, the cost to add locals could be different. That additional cost allows subs to maintain their grandfathered package, but the pricing structure more closely mirrors the current packages. Again that additional charged for locals may not reflect the "true" cost of locals, but rather just to minimize the price difference between grandfathered and current packages.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 06:12 PM

...and despite that kind of data...remarkably....a number of folks don't recognize the greed and blame their sat company. Unreal.

Perhaps they will someday break out the local HD channel costs in separate cost pricing models to recoup those variations, which of course will also expose the higher-cost areas based on the exhorbitant prices for those.


I suspect that will happen. Some cable companies now now identify these costs so consumers can understand the source of price increases. Again, posturing to get the consumer's support.

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 07:31 PM

Directv does not charge anything for local channels on their current packages. They are include in the markets where locals are provided. If you are in a market where Directv does not provide locals, your package is discounted by $3/month. You could intrepret that to mean that Directv charges $3/month for locals, but that is just included in the monthly package charge.

With some older expired/grandfathered package, the cost to add locals could be different. That additional cost allows subs to maintain their grandfathered package, but the pricing structure more closely mirrors the current packages. Again that additional charged for locals may not reflect the "true" cost of locals, but rather just to minimize the price difference between grandfathered and current packages.


What the providers pay to programmers is almost always covered under an NDA

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 07:39 PM

I don't understand why local stations should receive compensation from DirecTV at all....

I think the locals should pay DirecTV in order to get more viewers for their podunk stations. :lol:
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Posted 01 January 2011 - 08:29 PM

I suspect that will happen. Some cable companies now now identify these costs so consumers can understand the source of price increases. Again, posturing to get the consumer's support.

The plot will thicken even more if/when ComCrap gets ownership of NBC Universal.
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Posted 01 January 2011 - 09:12 PM

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 09:59 AM

I think the locals should pay DirecTV in order to get more viewers for their podunk stations. :lol:


Of the top channels requested by cable/satellite subscribers...four of them are over-the-air networks. I know a lot of people choose satellite or cable because of reception issues with local stations or they simply don't want to install an antenna. In other words, DirecTV and cable providers MAKE MONEY off LOCAL channels. So they take something that is free and make money of it. Would you want to give away something for free so someone else can make money off of it? I sure don't.

Also, I know for a fact that stations are only getting pennies per viewer. The brand new Oprah network is asking for $.21 per viewer which is more then local stations get. To compare, ESPN gets $4.00 per viewer.
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Posted 02 January 2011 - 10:24 AM

Of the top channels requested by cable/satellite subscribers...four of them are over-the-air networks. I know a lot of people choose satellite or cable because of reception issues with local stations or they simply don't want to install an antenna. In other words, DirecTV and cable providers MAKE MONEY off LOCAL channels. So they take something that is free and make money of it. Would you want to give away something for free so someone else can make money off of it? I sure don't.

Also, I know for a fact that stations are only getting pennies per viewer. The brand new Oprah network is asking for $.21 per viewer which is more then local stations get. To compare, ESPN gets $4.00 per viewer.


  • Locals are only available to customers in the market that is being served by OTA reception.
  • These station's business model is to "serve it for free", and sell commercial time for profit.
  • They also have control over who can get their network programing from other sources [DNS] through issuing [or not] waivers.
  • Cable or SAT providers charge nominal fees for their costs to retransmit these channels. Bandwidth isn't free unless you're using the public's airwaves.
  • "Cable channels" [Oprah, ESPN, etc.] haven't been granted a license to use the airwaves, so they have a different business model.
  • A subset of these are the premium channels without commercials and higher fees.
Let's truly compare apples to apples, and not to oranges.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 04:24 PM

Of the top channels requested by cable/satellite subscribers...four of them are over-the-air networks. I know a lot of people choose satellite or cable because of reception issues with local stations or they simply don't want to install an antenna. In other words, DirecTV and cable providers MAKE MONEY off LOCAL channels. So they take something that is free and make money of it. Would you want to give away something for free so someone else can make money off of it? I sure don't.


Just because subscribers want the networks doesn't mean they want the local affiliates. However, I do recognize that local news and weather coverage is a big draw, especially for older viewers.

Also, I know for a fact that stations are only getting pennies per viewer. The brand new Oprah network is asking for $.21 per viewer which is more then local stations get. To compare, ESPN gets $4.00 per viewer.


Ah, yes, but the local affiliates draw mere thousands of viewers, whereas networks such as OWN and ESPN draw millions of viewers. Also, national networks such as OWN and ESPN (and virtually every other national commercial network) allow the providers (DirecTV, Dish, cable or telco) to insert their own advertising (through local availabilities), thus lowering the effective rate paid for those networks. When was the last time you heard of a local broadcaster giving up ANY of his advertising availabilities to the carrier(s) of his programming? Hmmm?

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 11:07 PM

Starting to look like KNDO got most of what they were asking for. SWX TV ads asking people to call to get it on Satellite are now aimed only at Dish network leading you to believe the channel is available on the other providers. I suspect we will see SWX on soon In Yakima/ Tri-Cities area.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 11:25 PM

Northwest broadcasting has some more interesting numbers they believe are the reason they are asking for a fair price. They feel Directv marks local stations up 1000 percent and don't tell you they have done this either. http://www.myfoxtric...rectv-statement
http://www.myfoxspok...0,2302925.story

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 11:38 PM

Yea, right. They complain because DirecTv recoups the cost to capture the signal, transport it across the country, upload it to special spot beam satellites...and complains that Directv is greedy and wont pay the poor small privately owned company their fair share, then tells viewers to watch them for free with an antenna? That makes no sense at all. Maybe they should share their advertising profits with DirecTv since I am sure there are hundreds or thousands of people watching that would not be without DirecTv that allows them to charge more for advertising.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:38 AM

Northwest broadcasting has some more interesting numbers they believe are the reason they are asking for a fair price. They feel Directv marks local stations up 1000 percent and don't tell you they have done this either. http://www.myfoxtric...rectv-statement
http://www.myfoxspok...0,2302925.story

What a joke. That's not even a lame negotiating tactic comment from Northwest...its over the top lame.

They must have lots of sore shoulders there from padding themselves on the back all day long for how great they are... !rolling
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 08:28 AM

Just because subscribers want the networks doesn't mean they want the local affiliates. However, I do recognize that local news and weather coverage is a big draw, especially for older viewers. ...


This is what I laugh at the local affiliates about. They always complain that the MSOs refuse to compensate them fairly for their allegedly "great programming" as Northwest is doing here. Well if their local programming is really as great as they claim then why do most affiliate stations support the NAB's hard fight to have the government continue to heavily restrict DNS service and hardly ever grant waivers for it?

Let's see the local stations actually prove they have all this great programming by opening up to true competition and grant DNS waivers to anyone who wants them or have the NAB drop their opposition to its restrictions.

C'mon ... :nono2:

The majority of these local network affiliate stations know good and darn well that their only major value is as an outlet for network programming and need government protection of their markets to survive.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 09:56 AM

... then tells viewers to watch them for free with an antenna?


This is the exact position Northwest is in now .. Their market is now OTA only. While I certainly don't know the details of any contract negotiations, I will speculate that Northwest's compensation is probably similar to other local market stations across the country which recently concluded negotiations with DIRECTV. It may not be exactly the same, but it's probably not far off - I refuse to believe that these local channel providers don't give some indication to each other what each other are getting.

Northwest's argument is "DIRECTV is making a killing, so we should too." When in reality the market price is what should be charged regardless of who is getting the short end of the stick. The funny thing is that with fewer subscribers in these areas, DIRECTV may not even be breaking even on retransmitting the signal. Certainly this is evened out by larger markets, but without real numbers we can never know.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:56 AM

See that is the thing. I think we should be told what we are actually paying for these stations. if Directv is so concerned about the cost of restransmitting the signal, then they should include that information as well. in addition to that I think we should be told what a channel or channel group (like showtime) would cost us if it was done by alacarte. Because if channels are going to continue to try and make up for the lost advertising by taking it out on everyone else, we may have to go alacarte anyway.

This is the exact position Northwest is in now .. Their market is now OTA only. While I certainly don't know the details of any contract negotiations, I will speculate that Northwest's compensation is probably similar to other local market stations across the country which recently concluded negotiations with DIRECTV. It may not be exactly the same, but it's probably not far off - I refuse to believe that these local channel providers don't give some indication to each other what each other are getting.

Northwest's argument is "DIRECTV is making a killing, so we should too." When in reality the market price is what should be charged regardless of who is getting the short end of the stick. The funny thing is that with fewer subscribers in these areas, DIRECTV may not even be breaking even on retransmitting the signal. Certainly this is evened out by larger markets, but without real numbers we can never know.



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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:20 AM

See that is the thing. I think we should be told what we are actually paying for these stations. if Directv is so concerned about the cost of restransmitting the signal, then they should include that information as well. in addition to that I think we should be told what a channel or channel group (like showtime) would cost us if it was done by alacarte. Because if channels are going to continue to try and make up for the lost advertising by taking it out on everyone else, we may have to go alacarte anyway.


We can't be told what the price would be if it were a la carte because the a la carte numbers would be much, much higher than the per-subscriber numbers are. Even if DIRECTV wanted to share this information, anything they said would be inaccurate.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:28 AM

See that is the thing. I think we should be told what we are actually paying for these stations. if Directv is so concerned about the cost of restransmitting the signal, then they should include that information as well. in addition to that I think we should be told what a channel or channel group (like showtime) would cost us if it was done by alacarte. Because if channels are going to continue to try and make up for the lost advertising by taking it out on everyone else, we may have to go alacarte anyway.

Showtime may have been a poor choice as it does come "a la carte" in the $12/month range.
Perhaps the costs of local network retransmission could be compared to the costs of a DNS network, which "used to be" $1.50/month to the customer.

If these local as$&&$% think their product is so great, then issue blanket waivers to all customers for DNS service and let the market decide.
The idea of having exclusive control AND then extorting retransmission fees is absurd.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:37 AM

I think DirecTV should do an a-la-carte with the channel groups. Offer more packages and/or give the subscribers the choice of which channel groups they want. Let the subscribers pick a minimum of say 3 groups for $x.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:38 AM

If these local as$&&$% think their product is so great, then issue blanket waivers to all customers for DNS service and let the market decide.

OTA antenna sales skyrocket - film at 11. :D:lol:
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 11:48 AM

OTA antenna sales skyrocket - film at 11. :D:lol:

"yeah"

The point that chaps my ... is that locals have exclusive control/access to a market, through the waiver granting [and NOT] process as part of their FCC license, yet they feel they can charge retransmission fees [at all].
"IF" all their advertising isn't being carried by the retransmitting, "THEN" a fee is reasonable/justified.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 12:21 PM

Since I got my HR20 over 3 years ago, I've been using a $9 pair of rabbit ears to get the 'important' OTA channels for backup during storms / rainfade.

I certainly didn't want an exterior antenna with a rotator and tried several amplified indoor antennas in the $30-50 range - Terk, Phillips, etc.

A couple of weeks ago, I started checking it with the possibility of our local CBS going dark (didn't) and decided to order PID 4729 from Monoprice - $17.

I am AMAZED at it's reception! Channels I couldn't acquire are now 50-60% and 40-50s are now 90-100s.

While I can't compare them side-by-side since I returned them, it's the only powered / amplified antenna that made a difference with the power plugged it! It's also so small (approx. 5x8x1/2) and unobtrusive, it easily hides behind a picture frame.

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