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My first -- and last -- impression of 1080P on DirecTV


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#51 OFFLINE   sdirv

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:32 PM

To you and to other audiofiles, it is, but I would be willing to bet that the percentage of people who have a blu ray player without surround sound is higher than the number of people who have no HD source for HD TVs.

To the vast unwashed, blu ray is about PICTURE not sound. Just the way it is. And the way it is marketed.


I've got surround, but got "stuck" having to replace my A/V Receiver just prior to the release of the TrueHD (etc.) versions in the model I prefer so I'm currently "stuck" with DD5.1 and can't justify replacing it as long as it's working so damn well.......

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#52 OFFLINE   cartrivision

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:42 PM

Also, doesn't it go down to 1080i if the set is 1080p/60 and doesn't support /24?


Yes, but it doesn't matter. The TV still deinterlaces it into a 1080p signal. The fact that the PPV is delivered in 1080p format adds absolutely nothing as far as resolution or picture quality is concerned.... it's just a marketing gimmick to make people think that the picture quality of the PPV is the same as what you get with Bluray.

#53 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:47 PM

Will you please read posts back ? I did mention DL, not "encoding". Pheww ...
And don't create false impression you do know SIZES of 1080p/24 movies on BR disks.



The video would have to be encoded in a way which is compatible with Directv recievers. Yes, I know the sizes of movies on BD discs. Anyone with a computer and a BD drive does.
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#54 OFFLINE   P Smith

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 05:04 PM

So, check if H.264/VC-1 from BR are compatible with DTV chipsets; talking about size of movies: do not give us a size of BR disk itself - it's unfair tactic and totally out of topic.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 05:21 PM

talking about size of movies: do not give us a size of BR disk itself - it's unfair tactic and totally out of topic.


...no it isn't. Here are just a few examples.

Inception - 35GB
Gremlins - 22.9GB
Avatar - 44.8GB
The Thin Red Line - 37.2GB
King Kong - 37GB
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button - 47.5GB

More can be found here: http://www.avsforum....d.php?t=1155731
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#56 OFFLINE   Jason Whiddon

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 06:51 PM

Id rank em this way:

1) Blu-ray
2) Vudu HDX
3) Direct 1080p

Everything else, not worth my time. Directv's 1080p is not bad, actually quite good, and prob fine for most. Vudu HDX is even better, but lacks the audio. For the rest of us, that care about PQ and AQ, Blu-ray with lossless audio is the only way to enjoy a flick.

Now, if Vudu HDX could find away to get some lossless audio in the stream, Id not need optical media anymore, but I dont see that happening any time soon. If you like Directv 1080p, spend that 5.99 over at Vudu, and enjoy better PQ.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:00 PM

Lets DL first one - 35 GB ( should we keep one sound track and exclude non English audio and extras ?) - using night time and taking ~ 2MBps bandwidth it will take less then 5 hours. Good enough to show one 1080P title per day.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:01 PM

I do not think programmers, or providers, care enough about PQ anymore to worry with it.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:08 PM

I do not think programmers, or providers, care enough about PQ anymore to worry with it.


Well, that's the motto ... Imagine if it happen with food [cognac ;)], drug, etc what could be watered down at will of the company.
Oh, what about publisher co - less ink ?

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:18 PM

Well, that's the motto ... Imagine if it happen with food [cognac ;)], drug, etc what could be watered down at will of the company.
Oh, what about publisher co - less ink ?


Shoot, some of the video quality on Blu-Rays shows they don't always care. And that's not even films that needed a good restoration that it didn't get.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:19 PM

Well, and some of that falls on the Director. You learn that when watching stuff on a calibrated display. So choices, especially excessive grain, are annoying. Anyone see Green Zone? The fake, added grain, was HORRIBLE.
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 08:09 AM

Id rank em this way:

1) Blu-ray
2) Vudu HDX
3) Direct 1080p

Everything else, not worth my time. Directv's 1080p is not bad, actually quite good, and prob fine for most. Vudu HDX is even better, but lacks the audio. For the rest of us, that care about PQ and AQ, Blu-ray with lossless audio is the only way to enjoy a flick.

Now, if Vudu HDX could find away to get some lossless audio in the stream, Id not need optical media anymore, but I dont see that happening any time soon. If you like Directv 1080p, spend that 5.99 over at Vudu, and enjoy better PQ.


I just saw Wallstreet in HDX on VUDU and the PQ and AQ was Awesome and I don't even have my LG BD590 hooked up with lossless Audio but the PQ just Blew me and my wife away!!!
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Posted 05 January 2011 - 08:10 AM

The streaming version actually has a little better audio than DD 5.1, I think it's DD EX IIRC. Vudu HDX is the future of 1080p streaming IMO, they got something good. I just read this AM that Vudu is adding 3D now :)
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

I just watched Argo on Directv PPV last night (2/20/13), and the video was acceptable (not Blu-ray quality, but watchable & I'm fairly picky). Audio OTOH was awful. Not up to DVD standards - really poor separation. Won't watch another PPV on Directv. Especially disappointing in that I find the regular 5.1 Audio on Directv local and premium channels to be quite good.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:16 PM

ive never seen 1080p but im not overwhelmed with my blu ray player either. Of course when hd was first coming out and I was listening to sports talk radio a lot in those days they would always talk on air about how great hd was and go on and on about it so I finally got to a dealer to check it out and I was a bit let down I was like ok it is a bit nicer but not like the way these guys on the radio were going on about it....most people I know agree hd is nicer than standard def picture but it's not like going to color from black and white pic its a bit sharper picture but its nothing to wet your pants over.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:12 AM

ive never seen 1080p but im not overwhelmed with my blu ray player either. Of course when hd was first coming out and I was listening to sports talk radio a lot in those days they would always talk on air about how great hd was and go on and on about it so I finally got to a dealer to check it out and I was a bit let down I was like ok it is a bit nicer but not like the way these guys on the radio were going on about it....most people I know agree hd is nicer than standard def picture but it's not like going to color from black and white pic its a bit sharper picture but its nothing to wet your pants over.


I'm confused by your post. In your opening statement you say you've never seen 1080p and are not overwhelmed with your Blu-ray player. That's like saying I've never experienced climate control and am not impressed with my air conditioner. Care to elaborate?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 07:13 AM

ive never seen 1080p but im not overwhelmed with my blu ray player either. Of course when hd was first coming out and I was listening to sports talk radio a lot in those days they would always talk on air about how great hd was and go on and on about it so I finally got to a dealer to check it out and I was a bit let down I was like ok it is a bit nicer but not like the way these guys on the radio were going on about it....most people I know agree hd is nicer than standard def picture but it's not like going to color from black and white pic its a bit sharper picture but its nothing to wet your pants over.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 07:51 AM

We have a friend who complained that their new tv wasn't any better . . . until she got new glasses! Seriously!

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 08:39 AM

I'm confused by your post. In your opening statement you say you've never seen 1080p and are not overwhelmed with your Blu-ray player. That's like saying I've never experienced climate control and am not impressed with my air conditioner. Care to elaborate?


I think the poster means he'd never seen a DIRECTV 1080p PPV, but since he's not impressed with the 1080p playback content from his BD player which is much of better PQ than DIRECTV's (or any broadcaster for that matter) of course, its obvious then he wouldn't care for any of DIRECTV's 1080p PPV programming quality.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 09:40 AM

I think the poster means he'd never seen a DIRECTV 1080p PPV, but since he's not impressed with the 1080p playback content from his BD player which is much of better PQ than DIRECTV's (or any broadcaster for that matter) of course, its obvious then he wouldn't care for any of DIRECTV's 1080p PPV programming quality.


That's why I asked him to elaborate.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:27 AM

Yes, but it doesn't matter. The TV still deinterlaces it into a 1080p signal. The fact that the PPV is delivered in 1080p format adds absolutely nothing as far as resolution or picture quality is concerned.... it's just a marketing gimmick to make people think that the picture quality of the PPV is the same as what you get with Bluray.


You're almost right. There is one other small change. Yes most modern sets de-interlace the picture anyway. But there is also the 24fps aspect....it removes the 3/2 pulldown that CAN introduce picture jitter in some scenes. Depending on the scene it can be completely invisible, or there just enough that you'd only notice if it were gone.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

...wait...what? Inception doesn't have many special effects? Wow.


Yeah, saying it doesn't have special effects is a bit odd.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

You're almost right. There is one other small change. Yes most modern sets de-interlace the picture anyway. But there is also the 24fps aspect....it removes the 3/2 pulldown that CAN introduce picture jitter in some scenes. Depending on the scene it can be completely invisible, or there just enough that you'd only notice if it were gone.


Yes, but even here unless you have a plasma, 120/240 Hz LCD, or maybe 48, 72, 96 Hz, etc. tube type HDTVs TVs that use screen refresh rates which are multiples of the 24 Hz film rate, its useless to you.

Most HDTVs in use today are of the 60 Hz refresh rate LCD panels that while many are certainly capable of receiving a 1080p@24 Hz format signal, must add in a 3/2 pull-down frame sequence to display it thereby effectively defeating the entire purpose of sending the signal in a native 24 Hz frame rate to begin with.

Also flat panel HDTVs are progressive scan of course and contain 3/2 pull-down detection circuitry anyway to remove redundant fields or frames from film based programs to derive the original 24 Hz frame rate.

Edited by HoTat2, 23 February 2013 - 03:54 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:04 PM

never saw directv 1080p have seen blu ray....not impressed....clear?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:06 PM

never saw directv 1080p have seen blu ray....not impressed....clear?


Seriously? No offense, but are you old?
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