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My first -- and last -- impression of 1080P on DirecTV


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#41 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 02:59 PM

I have DD 5.1 and don't have room for DD 7.1 and I have Klipsch Reference Series Top Of The Line Speakers with 2 Downward Firing SVS 12" Subs on a Subdude and my System Will Rock Your World with a Denon AVR-5803 170 Watt Receiver so I don't think you need DD 7.1 and I have Never had a Complaint about my Audio Sound!!! :D


For me, DTS-Master Audio and the Uncompressed Dolby makes a bigger difference than 7.1 speakers. But that's just me. But it's one of the things about the receivers, an excellent one can't do something just because it doesn't have the right port.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 03:21 PM

I'm not talking about 5.1 vs 7.1 though. I'm talking about lossy DD/DTS vs LPCM, TrueHD, or DTS-HD.


Richierich's Denon AVR-5803 doesn't decode the HD audio formats I don't believe. I think it's an older receiver, but you are right. We are not talking 5.1 v. 7.1, we are talking about ordinary DD/DTS vs. uncompressed PCM, Dolby True HD, and DTS-HD Master Audio.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 03:25 PM

Richierich's Denon AVR-5803 doesn't decode the HD audio formats I don't believe. I think it's an older receiver, but you are right. We are not talking 5.1 v. 7.1, we are talking about ordinary DD/DTS vs. uncompressed PCM, Dolby True HD, and DTS-HD Master Audio.


Yes, you are Right as I don't have Dolby True HD, etc. but I paid $5,000 for it and I am not going to buy a New One just to get Dolby True HD and HDMI!!!
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 03:41 PM

...what numbers do you want? Do you not know how large a film on blu-ray is? If someone believes that DD 5.1 is "good enough" they should just stick to DVD's.


Don't make me think you're ... cannot read past posts :P

Size of movies and time to download it to DVR's HDD. with your calculations, please.

[If you'll still making words, not numbers, I could point you to my numbers what I posted when dish start DL 1080p movies to their DVRs]

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 03:58 PM

Don't make me think you're ... cannot read past posts :P

Size of movies and time to download it to DVR's HDD. with your calculations, please.

[If you'll still making words, not numbers, I could point you to my numbers what I posted when dish start DL 1080p movies to their DVRs]


I may need a translator to properly understand your posts, but I will give it a shot.

A download could be smaller, with a 15-25 GB file size (from a BD-25 source). The download could also be larger, with a file size reaching nearly 50GB (from a BD-50 source). These are, of course, far larger than DirecTV 1080p offerings. Do your own calculations based on your own internet provider.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:00 PM

Yes, you are Right as I don't have Dolby True HD, etc. but I paid $5,000 for it and I am not going to buy a New One just to get Dolby True HD and HDMI!!!

My Yamaha RX-V2600 doesn't decode True HD or Master Audio either, but but my $200 LG BD390 player does and offers analog output of all 8 channels (see below). I've got those hooked-up to the Yammy's "multichannel" inputs.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:01 PM

I'm talking about push-VOD (thru sats) [FVOD in case of dish provider]. Definitely you lost the thread meaning.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:07 PM

I'm talking about push-VOD (thru sats) [FVOD in case of dish provider]. Definitely you lost the thread meaning.


It was probably lost as the result of an obvious language barrier between English and whatever it is that you are utilizing. :rolleyes: Expecting a provider to encode and push multiple 25-50GB files is ridiculous.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:12 PM

Will you please read posts back ? I did mention DL, not "encoding". Pheww ...
And don't create false impression you do know SIZES of 1080p/24 movies on BR disks.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:29 PM

:eek2:
Inception is a great BR title... it's visually stunning.

From http://www.blu-ray.c...-Blu-ray/14492/


Well...I saw it first in the theater, and the second time on Blu-Ray.

I tend to buy movies on Blu-Ray IF they are "Special Effects" movies (or if the price of the BR titles are especially good on release week). Otherwise, I still buy movies on standard DVD format (my system upconverts to 1080P).

I'm still impressed (sometimes) with the quality of the picture and audio on standard DVD releases.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:32 PM

To you and to other audiofiles, it is, but I would be willing to bet that the percentage of people who have a blu ray player without surround sound is higher than the number of people who have no HD source for HD TVs.

To the vast unwashed, blu ray is about PICTURE not sound. Just the way it is. And the way it is marketed.


I've got surround, but got "stuck" having to replace my A/V Receiver just prior to the release of the TrueHD (etc.) versions in the model I prefer so I'm currently "stuck" with DD5.1 and can't justify replacing it as long as it's working so damn well.......

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:42 PM

Also, doesn't it go down to 1080i if the set is 1080p/60 and doesn't support /24?


Yes, but it doesn't matter. The TV still deinterlaces it into a 1080p signal. The fact that the PPV is delivered in 1080p format adds absolutely nothing as far as resolution or picture quality is concerned.... it's just a marketing gimmick to make people think that the picture quality of the PPV is the same as what you get with Bluray.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 04:47 PM

Will you please read posts back ? I did mention DL, not "encoding". Pheww ...
And don't create false impression you do know SIZES of 1080p/24 movies on BR disks.



The video would have to be encoded in a way which is compatible with Directv recievers. Yes, I know the sizes of movies on BD discs. Anyone with a computer and a BD drive does.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 05:04 PM

So, check if H.264/VC-1 from BR are compatible with DTV chipsets; talking about size of movies: do not give us a size of BR disk itself - it's unfair tactic and totally out of topic.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 05:21 PM

talking about size of movies: do not give us a size of BR disk itself - it's unfair tactic and totally out of topic.


...no it isn't. Here are just a few examples.

Inception - 35GB
Gremlins - 22.9GB
Avatar - 44.8GB
The Thin Red Line - 37.2GB
King Kong - 37GB
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button - 47.5GB

More can be found here: http://www.avsforum....d.php?t=1155731
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 06:51 PM

Id rank em this way:

1) Blu-ray
2) Vudu HDX
3) Direct 1080p

Everything else, not worth my time. Directv's 1080p is not bad, actually quite good, and prob fine for most. Vudu HDX is even better, but lacks the audio. For the rest of us, that care about PQ and AQ, Blu-ray with lossless audio is the only way to enjoy a flick.

Now, if Vudu HDX could find away to get some lossless audio in the stream, Id not need optical media anymore, but I dont see that happening any time soon. If you like Directv 1080p, spend that 5.99 over at Vudu, and enjoy better PQ.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:00 PM

Lets DL first one - 35 GB ( should we keep one sound track and exclude non English audio and extras ?) - using night time and taking ~ 2MBps bandwidth it will take less then 5 hours. Good enough to show one 1080P title per day.

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:01 PM

I do not think programmers, or providers, care enough about PQ anymore to worry with it.
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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:08 PM

I do not think programmers, or providers, care enough about PQ anymore to worry with it.


Well, that's the motto ... Imagine if it happen with food [cognac ;)], drug, etc what could be watered down at will of the company.
Oh, what about publisher co - less ink ?

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 07:18 PM

Well, that's the motto ... Imagine if it happen with food [cognac ;)], drug, etc what could be watered down at will of the company.
Oh, what about publisher co - less ink ?


Shoot, some of the video quality on Blu-Rays shows they don't always care. And that's not even films that needed a good restoration that it didn't get.




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