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#1 OFFLINE   ciurca

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:37 PM

Is there a table of cable network costs per subscriber? We all read about carriage disputes, but it would be nice to see the costs layed out where it's easy to see what each one values itself at, compared to others.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 05:01 PM

There may be a ballpark overview available, but the contracts between providers and carriers is usually closely guarded.

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#3 OFFLINE   mws192

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:03 PM

Is there a table of cable network costs per subscriber?



Here you go:

http://www.avsforum....43#post19390543


What Cable Networks Get From Carriers
(2010, Per Subscriber, Per Month)
ESPN/ESPN HD $4.58
Fox Sports Net $2.37
Starz $ 2.03
Showtime: $ 1.59
RSNs: $0.20-$2.15
TNT $ 0.99
Disney Channel $0.88 (commercial free)
NFL Network $0.80
Fox News Channel $ 0.58
HDNet $ 0.55
USA $ 0.55
ESPN2 $ 0.54
MGM HD $ 0.53
CNN & Headline News $ 0.51
TBS $ 0.49
Nickleodeon/Nick at Nite $0.44
HDNet Movies $ 0.44
FX $0.42
Big Ten Network $0.36
NHL Network $0.35
Fox College Sports $ 0.34
MTV $ 0.33
CNBC $ 0.29
Sundance $ 0.29
Versus $ 0.29
Lifetime $0.28
HD Theater $ 0.27
Universal HD $ 0.27
TCM $ 0.26
Versus $ 0.26
Discovery $ 0.25
Golf $ 0.25
A&E $ 0.25
MLB Network $ 0.24
AMC $ 0.23
TLC $ 0.23
Wealth TV $ 0.23
NBA TV $ 0.22
Family $0.22
History Channel $0.21
E! $ 0.20
Speed $ 0.20
National Geographic $ 0.20
Mountain West Sports Network $ 0.20
SyFy $ 0.20
Spike $ 0.20
Independent Film Channel $ 0.20
CBS College Sports $ 0.19
Fox Sports en Espanol $ 0.19
Bravo $ 0.19
Smithsonian Channel HD $ 0.19
ESPN Classic $ 0.18
ESPN News $ 0.17
Cartoon Network $ 0.17
ESPNU $ 0.16
BET $ 0.16
MSNBC $ 0.16
Fox Movie Channel $ 0.16
Fox Soccer Channel $ 0.16
TLC $ 0.16
ESPN Desportes $ 0.15
Tennis $0.15
SOAPnet $ 0.15
VH1 $ 0.15
Style $ 0.14
Comedy Central $0.14
HGTV $0.14
Fuel $ 0.14
Game Show Network $ 0. 12
WGN America $ 0.12
BBC America $ 0.11
Fox Business Network $0.11
Weather Channel $ 0.11
Biography $ 0.11
Travel $0.10
TV Land $0.10
Oxygen $ 0.09
Lifetime Movie Net $ 0.09
truTV $ 0.09
CMT $ 0.08
Food Network $ 0.08
Fuse $ 0.08
G4 $ 0.08
Animal Planet $ 0.07
Military $ 0.07
Bloomberg $ 0.06
Hallmark Channel $ 0.06
VH1 Classic $ 0.06
C-SPAN $ 0.5
TV Guide Network $0.02
Great American Country $ 0.02

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:39 PM

Do these costs for each channel per sub vary by provider (D*, E*, etc.)?

I can't believe that ESPN gets so much ($4.58) per sub. I very rarely watch it.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:42 PM

I can't believe that ESPN gets so much ($4.58) per sub. I very rarely watch it.


I make up for your loss of viewership. I have ESPN or ESPN2 (or both sometimes) on 60% of the time I am watching tv.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:07 AM

Do these costs for each channel per sub vary by provider (D*, E*, etc.)?


They are industry averages. Some pay more, some less. Contracts are typically tiered where the price per sub goes up annually. That's why we get price hikes each year. It also means it's less likey that one provider is paying the exact same rate as someone else at any given time since people are at different stages of their current contracts.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 09:21 AM

Do these costs for each channel per sub vary by provider (D*, E*, etc.)?

I can't believe that ESPN gets so much ($4.58) per sub. I very rarely watch it.


ESPN is a very expensive channel, and it's pretty much in everyone's basic tier (part of their requirements I believe along with channel placement.)

Personally I'd love to save the $4.50 or so, but I'd be kicked to the doghouse.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 11:34 AM

I can't believe that ESPN gets so much ($4.58) per sub.


ESPN is a very expensive channel

Personally I'd love to save the $4.50 or so


It's alot more than that.

ESPN and ESPN2 (basic tier): $5.12
ESPNews and ESPNU (typically one tier up from basic): $0.33

Plus
ESPN Classic (sports tier): $0.18
and ESPN Deportes (Spanish tier): $0.15

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 11:42 AM

I did not realize they were that high. Why was everyone flipping about OWN asking for .21?

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 11:56 AM

Sports programming is expensive (YOU are paying all of those expensive salaries), but it is also very popular, so people pay it.

I'd be perfectly happy with a sports-less programming package, but I'm in the minority.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 11:58 AM

Because the channel was supposed to launch last year, it's a complete revamp of Discovery Health, and at the time they have yet to announce more than 3 shows that were going to air on it. Most providers rather just continue to pay what the terms on their Discovery Health contracts are and wait until that contract is finished so they see how it performs before they negotiate a price increase. (Not to mention Discovery and Harpo were also constantly renegotiating the ammount they had to invest in the channel over the past 2 years)

As for the costs they're averages, not only is it different depending on the stage of their contract, some of them get discounts if they agree to carry more of their channels at a bulk rate instead of individually.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 12:23 PM

I did not realize they were that high. Why was everyone flipping about OWN asking for .21?


In a word? Ratings. Ratings largely = revenue, and in more ways than one.

Discovery Health's fee was $.07. Oprah wants TRIPLE that price or more, but only has contracts for 3 shows. That means it's likely much of the schedule will be filled with "paid programming" (read: infomercials) that have zero ratings. Even if Oprah herself has 5 1-hour shows per week, that's a drop in the bucket compared to a week of 24-hour days. So she's asking to be paid 300-500% more than Discovery Health with a mostly-empty schedule. See the problem?

And while Oprah had good ratings on a broadcast network, that doesn't necessarily mean she'll keep those ratings on a cable network. And her old broadcast network will surely try to put something juicy in her old slot to draw ratings away from her, as will her old competitors.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:51 PM

there has to be more to the Starz and Showtime prices listed there just seems to low to the price that people are billed for showtime.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:01 PM

there has to be more to the Starz and Showtime prices listed there just seems to low to the price that people are billed for showtime.


That price is just for a single channel, not the whole "family" of channels. But, of course wholesale price is much cheaper than retail price...

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 09:18 PM

I did not realize they were that high. Why was everyone flipping about OWN asking for .21?


Well, let's assume the old rate is $0.03 to $0.07 for that network (based solely on the article linked below...not saying what they are reportnig is accurate, but let's pretend) and now it goes up anywhere from 3X to 7X, that adds up to a lot of money a MSO has to pay out....millions and millions. You add those increases with retrans increases, increases from other programmers each year and you can see where a $3 to $4 increase happens each year (and sometimes that's not enough to cover the cost increases)

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 09:30 PM

Fox Sports Net $2.37 is that the price for each one or a average of all the FSN's?

Do area with more then FSN pay full price for each one or the sub feeds free with the main feed?
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