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1000.4 for eastern AND western arc??


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#1 OFFLINE   ben4715

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:32 PM

So i'm hearing that DISH is doin away with the 1000.2 dish and that the 1000.4 will pick up the eastern and western arc...Has anyone heard about this. If so do you use different LNBF's for the different arcs or how does that work. BTW I'm located in southern Iowa. Not sure if this is just for my area or what. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:41 PM

So i'm hearing that DISH is doin away with the 1000.2 dish and that the 1000.4 will pick up the eastern and western arc...Has anyone heard about this. If so do you use different LNBF's for the different arcs or how does that work. BTW I'm located in southern Iowa. Not sure if this is just for my area or what. Any info would be greatly appreciated.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:57 PM

from my understanding - there will be 2 different LNBs, but yes - both will go on the 1000.4 dish.

Will make it easier by reducing the number of parts Dish and installers have to keep in inventory.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:00 PM

The only difference between the .2 & .4 dishes (besides the arc specific LNB's) is the shape of the reflector. While the .2 only worked with the WA, the .4 works with both LNB's. It makes sense for E* to only use one reflector pan.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:03 PM

How does DISH determine which LNBF to send for the install or would the tech just carry both and make the call?

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:44 PM

Matt with DISH here. The tech will be prepared for the install, normally they have one set arc for an area and only change it due to No line of sight issues. Mainly it is determined by what satellite the local HD channels come off.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 12:05 PM

I've been talking about this for a couple of months already. Dish has 3 warehouses (Sacramento, Denver, and Atlanta), and as of the end of the year, only Denver had 1000.2 dishes in stock, and the plan was to stop selling them except for parts (no whole kits can be ordered). The vast majority of the stocks of 1000.2 dishes are gone, as they were discontinued months ago, and Dish has been depleting the old inventory.

All non-International installs will use the 1000.4 dish going forward. There are 2 LNBs: the original "1000.4 EA LNB" for 61.5, 72.7, and 77, and a newer "1000.4 WA LNB" for 110/119/129. If you were in a 1000.2 DMA before, you'll use the 1000.4 WA LNB going forward. And if you're in an area like Cleveland (nominally an EA DMA), where HD locals are available on both ARCs, then you'll be able to use a WA LNB if you don't have LOS to the EA sats, and vice versa.

Here in California, only the WA LNB will be used, as our locals aren't available on the EA sats, and getting LOS to them is difficult at best.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:14 PM

The 1000.4 dish is a better dish than the 1000.2. Just like the 1000.2 was better than it's predecessor the Dish 1000 (with the 2 LNB's). The signal obtained with with the .4 is stronger. By a lot. And fine tuning azimuth and elevation bolts ensure an optimal signal if installed correctly. Simplifies things with better signal results.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 11:35 PM

So the azmuth/skew/elevation on the western arc is the same for both the 1000.2 and the 1000.4 with this new setup?

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 11:48 PM

So the azmuth/skew/elevation on the western arc is the same for both the 1000.2 and the 1000.4 with this new setup?


Duh ! :D

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 08:22 AM

Duh ! :D

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 03:44 PM

Will the older 1000.2 lnb fit the new WA 1000.4?

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 04:33 PM

Will the older 1000.2 lnb fit the new WA 1000.4?


Nope. Not without modifications.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:13 PM

Even if You modify the 1000.2 LNB to fit the 1000.4 dish it will not get all 3 orbitals. If you look at the 1000.4 WA LNB it is built wider because of the length of the arm on the 1000.4 dish itself. So if you modify the bracket to fit, you have to modify the arm also which would a bit of overkill.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:50 PM

I've been talking about this for a couple of months already. Dish has 3 warehouses (Sacramento, Denver, and Atlanta), and as of the end of the year, only Denver had 1000.2 dishes in stock, and the plan was to stop selling them except for parts (no whole kits can be ordered). The vast majority of the stocks of 1000.2 dishes are gone, as they were discontinued months ago, and Dish has been depleting the old inventory.

All non-International installs will use the 1000.4 dish going forward. There are 2 LNBs: the original "1000.4 EA LNB" for 61.5, 72.7, and 77, and a newer "1000.4 WA LNB" for 110/119/129. If you were in a 1000.2 DMA before, you'll use the 1000.4 WA LNB going forward. And if you're in an area like Cleveland (nominally an EA DMA), where HD locals are available on both ARCs, then you'll be able to use a WA LNB if you don't have LOS to the EA sats, and vice versa.

Here in California, only the WA LNB will be used, as our locals aren't available on the EA sats, and getting LOS to them is difficult at best.


Besides Cleveland (which is my DMA BTW) what other DMA's are on both EA & WA?

I currently have a D500 + a D300 aimed at 61.5. I noticed that my SD locals are split between 110 and 61.5 (the "big 4" come off 110 while the CW, MY, and indie stations come off 61.5). Is this an anomaly due to my obsolete dish set-up?
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 07:42 AM

Besides Cleveland (which is my DMA BTW) what other DMA's are on both EA & WA?


I don't have a list, but local techs will generally know.

I currently have a D500 + a D300 aimed at 61.5. I noticed that my SD locals are split between 110 and 61.5 (the "big 4" come off 110 while the CW, MY, and indie stations come off 61.5). Is this an anomaly due to my obsolete dish set-up?


You have a "mixed arc" setup, which means that you are missing channels you would otherwise receive. You need to be on one arc or the other to get all channels. Call Dish and complain...

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 10:13 AM

Besides Cleveland (which is my DMA BTW) what other DMA's are on both EA & WA?

I currently have a D500 + a D300 aimed at 61.5. I noticed that my SD locals are split between 110 and 61.5 (the "big 4" come off 110 while the CW, MY, and indie stations come off 61.5). Is this an anomaly due to my obsolete dish set-up?


Raleigh and Charlotte NC both are both Arcs.

THE SD Big4 will be coming off 110 (or 119 if that's where they are). Your HD Big4 will be off the 61.5 .

Your other SD channels - this gets tricky - it depends on how that D500 and D300 are connected together. If you have a DishProPlus Twin, and 61.5 is on the LNB input - ALL the SD channels should come from the D500. However, if you are using a DPP33 switch, and the 61.5 slot gets detected first - then they should come from 61.5.

Or, Dish could just have it programmed to use the MPEG4 ones first if available.

Edited by scooper, 09 January 2011 - 10:20 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 06:31 PM

Will the older 1000.2 lnb fit the new WA 1000.4?


This thread has gone around for the last year. The 1.4K dish will work with either EA or WA arcs. The 1.4K lnb stays the same. The 1.2K lnb stays the same. The only reason the current 1.2K lnb will not attach to the current 1.4K dish yoke is one 1/2" plastic tab on the yoke. Installers have been snipping this 1/2" plastic tab off of the 1.4K yoke for the last year as a stop gap modification because the current 1.2K lnb does not have a slot in the lnb casing to slide around the plastic tab. Either Dish will manufacture 1.2 lnb with the slot in the lnb casing to fit on the 1.4K dish yoke, or they will manufacture the yoke without the plastic tab. No new dishes, no new lnb with different lenses or different spacing.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 06:37 PM

No modifications of the arm are needed. I've already installed dozens of WA installations using 1.4K reflectors. The larger reflector increases the signal strengths significantly on 110/119/129. Using a standard 1.2K reflector will get your signal strengths in around 80 for 119, 70-75 for 110, and 50-55 for 129. Using a 1.4K reflector will get you in the 90's for 119, 80-85 for 110, and 65-70 for 129. The only modification that is needed is to the current 1.4K yoke or the lnb casing for current 1.2K lnb. It all boils down to that little plastic tab in the middle of the lower half of the current 1.4K yoke.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 06:42 PM

This thread has gone around for the last year. The 1.4K dish will work with either EA or WA arcs. The 1.4K lnb stays the same. The 1.2K lnb stays the same. The only reason the current 1.2K lnb will not attach to the current 1.4K dish yoke is one 1/2" plastic tab on the yoke. Installers have been snipping this 1/2" plastic tab off of the 1.4K yoke for the last year as a stop gap modification because the current 1.2K lnb does not have a slot in the lnb casing to slide around the plastic tab. Either Dish will manufacture 1.2 lnb with the slot in the lnb casing to fit on the 1.4K dish yoke, or they will manufacture the yoke without the plastic tab. No new dishes, no new lnb with different lenses or different spacing.


You are very mistaken. There is a new, different "1000.4 WA" LNB, and it does in fact have wider spacing of the LNBs. It is larger and heavier than the 1000.2 LNB and designed to fit the 1000.4 feed bracket. 1000.2 LNBs are NOT designed for the 1000.4 dish and should not be used on them. That's why there is a tab to prevent their use!

My company has installed more than 80 1000.4 WA dishes since the end of December, and hundreds (maybe thousands) of 1000.4 EA dishes since 2009. I know what I'm talking about.

You might also refer to this official release from Dish:

https://rweb.echosta...hTalk_Final.pdf

Edited by BattleZone, 09 January 2011 - 06:50 PM.

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