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DirecTV doesnt have same remote management features as DiSHTV DVR?


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#26 OFFLINE   armchair

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 02:50 PM

True. I used it in its infancy and then when they enhanced it. Its absolutely amazing and DirecTV making so much fuss about scheduling from anywhere is just plain stupid. I wonder why Dish is not pushing its remoteaccess feature at all.

Just to give a few examples of how convenient it is:
1) You realize "House" will run over its time slot this evening by 5 mins. Log in, extend the time
2) You go on a vacation or trip. Remotely manage disk space, recordings so you can keep your favs and skip what you like to
3) You just saw a web ad for an interesting program for tonight, log in, set recording, resolve conflicts
4) You just saw a web ad for a program, log in, set up series, resolve conflicts.

Without this, I have to either run home to extend recording, or make a calendar note to setup some recording after I go home.

Once you use it, you will miss it for sure.


IMHO, the Directv DVR model is much more reliable when it comes to auto-padding the episode run-overs, first-runs that are moved to different or expanded time-slot(s) and actually getting those last 20 seconds of the recordings that Dish annoyingly misses and forces the user to pad shows and resolve the conflicts that the model creates.

Been there, done that! My frequent complaints to Dish about stop/start times of scheduled season passes and missed scheduling for out-of-norm time-slots or bonus episodes were ignored by Dish (as least for me, going back to May, 2009). The prioritizer in the Directv DVR handles more conflicts without user intervention. I can set "House" as a Series Link and forget it. A most recent example of a hindrance was when Tribune had an error in the guide which caused a lot of Directv's HD-DVRs to schedule "Fringe" the following night because the "HDTV" identifier was missing. Scheduling a day later was a minor inconvenience but the episode was not missed and many of us knew the source of the issue but the HD-DVR was able to resolve the issue on its own.

Would I like more scheduling access? Yes! And maybe it's being addressed by APP and HD-DVR f/w. I'm hoping that Directv will continue to expand DLNA compatibility to include current DLNA devices, not just upcoming new RVU alliance devices. I haven't gotten heavily involved with IP access (none beyond my desktop PC) but it's there for those with the toys and the inclination. I'm viewing from a distance to see which device/APP/price-point suits me.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 02:56 PM

Supposedly Dish will have MRV in a few months (that's "soon" in DirecTV forum speak).

There is a very cool iPad app for remote control of DirecTV boxes. Check out the CE forum.

Having had both, there are things about D* that I miss:
- MRV
- DLB is idiot-proof. I'm always losing my buffer on Dish no matter how careful I am.
- Recording is super easy. On D* you just press one or more times and you're done. With Dish it's always a multi-step process.
- Program info is very detailed and searchable. Dish gives you a 2 or 3 sentence blurb and that's it.

Otherwise I'm much happier with Dish.


Actually, there is a thread here with a link to a web page in the General DIRECTV forums that allows for remote ip control of your HDDVR's! It works good and is pretty handy.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:21 PM

ok, I just scheduled a recording on Jeopardy from the DVR scheduler on DirecTV web site to record the episodes when Watson is competing.

http://video.pbs.org...tarttime=916000

At least I wish they showed on the scheduler which programs are scheduled.

Guys, all said and done, Dish remote access is a very useful tool. I wish every tv provider had it.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:24 PM

ok, I just scheduled a recording on Jeopardy from the DVR scheduler on DirecTV web site to record the episodes when Watson is competing.

http://video.pbs.org...tarttime=916000

At least I wish they showed on the scheduler which programs are scheduled.

Guys, all said and done, Dish remote access is a very useful tool. I wish every tv provider had it.


If you pull up the Guide and a show is scheduled to record, it will have the R or R)) symbol next to it.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:24 PM

ok, I just scheduled a recording on Jeopardy from the DVR scheduler on DirecTV web site to record the episodes when Watson is competing.

http://video.pbs.org...tarttime=916000

At least I wish they showed on the scheduler which programs are scheduled.

Guys, all said and done, Dish remote access is a very useful tool. I wish every tv provider had it.


I haven't used the DirecTV website for remote recording since I got my Android phone, I don't know how well the apps work for the other Smart phones but this one works great and it's super fast. You can see something you want to record and pop it up on your phone in no time.

 


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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:43 PM

I haven't used the DirecTV website for remote recording since I got my Android phone, I don't know how well the apps work for the other Smart phones but this one works great and it's super fast. You can see something you want to record and pop it up on your phone in no time.


Yep, app is pretty cool. doesnt show recording status though you can set recordings.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:43 PM

If you pull up the Guide and a show is scheduled to record, it will have the R or R)) symbol next to it.

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Are you referring to the guide on the STB or on the web site? web site doesnt show. STB is fine.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 05:03 PM

Actually, there is a thread here with a link to a web page in the General DIRECTV forums that allows for remote ip control of your HDDVR's! It works good and is pretty handy.


That app can only be used when you are on the same network as the DVR so it wouldn't really be useful for remote access.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 06:49 PM

What I don't understand is you seemed to be under the impression that DirecTV had RA features like Dish and like Earl pointed out, DirecTV does not and never has marketed such features or claim to have them. So you should have known coming in that DirecTV was missing a feature that Dish has that you counted on.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 07:13 PM

Sounds like Dish is closer to replaytvs old system they implemented many years ago... I am sad that Directv doesn't have that as well, but I think the ipad ap is the first step toward getting it, along with the nomad.. AT least thats what I hoped.. Full remote access is better than what Directv has now, but then, what directv does offer now is a simple and fast solution, that is probably what 95% of their customers would actually use, where as I wonder how many people would actually use full access...

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 07:30 PM

Are you referring to the guide on the STB or on the web site? web site doesnt show. STB is fine.


Was referring to the STB, which I thought is what to which you were referring. If you were referring to the on-line Guide, then yes, there is no indication there.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 10:30 PM

That app can only be used when you are on the same network as the DVR so it wouldn't really be useful for remote access.


Very true. That website wouldn't be good for remote management of your DVR's.

The post I quoted talked about using an iPad as a remote and my answer was in response to that. :)

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 11:06 PM

This thread has some thoughts going....

I too regret everytime i pull out a dishnet system, i mostly install directv. Today was another one. they had a 722 in single mode and a 612. The 612 is pretty comparable to the hr24-500, being thats it dual tuner for one HD tv.

We swapped them out to a hr24-500 with a h24-700 with MRV, oh wow i never realized those "older" folks knew what they were doing. The sales guy told them Directv's mrv will do everything their dish system does.....wow it doesnt even come CLOSE!!! First they lost 2 recording tuners, so that was bad, they lost priority list and just the general list of timers altogether, that was worse, they also lost the ability to stretch the local channels (only available in HD and is an Mpeg4 market) and they didnt like that either being that half the shows on locals are still SD during the day. Apparently they have 4 shows recording every night at 7 or 8 o clock.

I ended up having them buy another hr24-500 to replace the h24-700, and they didnt want mrv as he didnt want to see her shows and vice versa. So they were almost at where they were but still lost those 3 or 4 other MAIN features they used daily.

Directv is still way behind in general for user friendliness and features.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 02:02 AM

I like the features that the D* iPhone has. Even for the casual use I need it for, it comes in handy when out and forgot to set a recording or you hear something you want to record, while out, but you know you'll forget to set it when you get home. Also the search feature is great. I switched from comcast after working for them as a installer for 11 years and spinal injuries and multiple spinal sugeries led to my firing, lawsuit there. All they tried to do is brainwash the techs into bad mouthing any dish service to customers. The fact is they knew D* is way better and by far does not nickel and dime you for every single thing you have. Comcast charges 18 bucks per Dvr and another 20 a month just for mvr also 12 per hd box. If I had everything I have with D* on comcrap it would cost about 300 a month. Instead I pay 85 for the first year and the 130. I am a D* subscriber for life. Also where else can I get a great looking Pittsburgh steelers remote, I love my steelers remote.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 04:55 AM

This thread has some thoughts going....

I too regret everytime i pull out a dishnet system, i mostly install directv. Today was another one. they had a 722 in single mode and a 612. The 612 is pretty comparable to the hr24-500, being thats it dual tuner for one HD tv.

We swapped them out to a hr24-500 with a h24-700 with MRV, oh wow i never realized those "older" folks knew what they were doing. The sales guy told them Directv's mrv will do everything their dish system does.....wow it doesnt even come CLOSE!!! ...


Given that dish does not have MRV, at least not one comparable to DirecTV's. I assume that the sales guy meant "a DirecTV system with MRV will do everything their dish system will do?"

First they lost 2 recording tuners, so that was bad, ...


Well in the reverse if I moved from having two DVRs with DirecTV to dish with a DVR and STB receiver, wouldn't I lose two recording tuners as well?

they lost priority list and just the general list of timers altogether, ...


Not exactly sure what these "general list of timers" are, but DirecTV DVRs also have recording prioritizers.

... that was worse, they also lost the ability to stretch the local channels (only available in HD and is an Mpeg4 market) and they didnt like that either being that half the shows on locals are still SD during the day. Apparently they have 4 shows recording every night at 7 or 8 o clock.


Now granted this may be a problem for subscribers in the Ka band/MPEG-4 only local markets who don't like pillar-boxing. But while stretching and zooming in on an HD image is inflexible if allowed at all on many HDTV sets, a lot have a setting that will at least do a fixed zoom on the picture enough to eliminate the pillar bars on up-converted 4:3 material and is better than stretch-o-vision IMO, even with the slight loss of PQ from zooming.

On my Samsung HDTV for instance it's called "Wide Fit." Did you check to see what TV display settings these customer's sets may have had to help in this situation?

... I ended up having them buy another hr24-500 to replace the h24-700, and they didnt want mrv as he didnt want to see her shows and vice versa. So they were almost at where they were but still lost those 3 or 4 other MAIN features they used daily.


You could have told them its still a very convenient feature to have anyway in case they changed their minds or have situations where they would want to stream recorded shows between their boxes.

I mean they don't have to use it if they do not wish to and may turn off the "Unified Playlist" to show only their local recordings on their separate boxes.

... Directv is still way behind in general for user friendliness and features.


Can't say as I agree with your assessments here, but to each his own I suppose.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 05:03 AM

I like the features that the D* iPhone has. Even for the casual use I need it for, it comes in handy when out and forgot to set a recording or you hear something you want to record, while out, but you know you'll forget to set it when you get home. Also the search feature is great. I switched from comcast after working for them as a installer for 11 years and spinal injuries and multiple spinal sugeries led to my firing, lawsuit there. All they tried to do is brainwash the techs into bad mouthing any dish service to customers. The fact is they knew D* is way better and by far does not nickel and dime you for every single thing you have. Comcast charges 18 bucks per Dvr and another 20 a month just for mvr also 12 per hd box. If I had everything I have with D* on comcrap it would cost about 300 a month. Instead I pay 85 for the first year and the 130. I am a D* subscriber for life. Also where else can I get a great looking Pittsburgh steelers remote, I love my steelers remote.


Yeah ...

And to add comical insult to injury I understand Comcast even charges right down to a small rental fee on the remote control ... :D

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 02:18 PM

GNot exactly sure what these "general list of timers" are, but DirecTV DVRs also have recording prioritizers.


I believe that refers to a common list of upcoming recording events which can be viewed on all TV's. Right now, MRV allows you to see the combined list of recordings, but not a combined list of upcoming recordings. If D* would add that, MRV would be much improved IMO. I hope they're working on it. It's frustrating to be downstairs at one DVR and wonder if I've got an event scheduled on the upstairs DVR.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 03:23 PM

I just realized, no pause / buffer on the second receiver. This seriously pisses me off.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 03:29 PM

I just realized, no pause / buffer on the second receiver. This seriously pisses me off.


Well, it's not a DVR. Can a non DVR on Dish pause and buffer? No.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 03:34 PM

I believe that the Dish HD DVRs can be set to show 3 hours by 6 channels with P.I.G.

That would equate to seeing the networks entire evening schedule on one screen.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 03:35 PM

Well, it's not a DVR. Can a non DVR on Dish pause and buffer? No.

Not even when it is converted to a DVR by adding a USB 2.0 hard drive can it do trick play stuff.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 04:34 PM

Well in the reverse if I moved from having two DVRs with DirecTV to dish with a DVR and STB receiver, wouldn't I lose two recording tuners as well?

This isnt really the situation. Direct offers 1 free HD DVR, dish offers up to 3 HD dvrs for free, no cost. I personally have 4 DVRS with dish, 4 boxes, running 6 seperate tvs. So basically it costs $150 to add a second dvr to direct.....well thats what my retailer charges anyway, they did have a promo for like a week at the end of summer that the 2nd dvr was $50 but that was short lived. So going to free stuff to pay for equipment is the deal breaker.


Not exactly sure what these "general list of timers" are, but DirecTV DVRs also have recording prioritizers.

The dish list shows all your dvr recordings, upcoming and the priority on a scale from 1-100, also have a screen showing which programs are not recording due to rerun or priority has skipped them. Theres about 4 main screens of info that direct doesnt even come close to offer, its basically all by memory on direct and if someone else setup a recording other than you all you can do i browse the guide through 300 channels for the upcoming week to see whats going to be recorded or not. Big FAIL on Directs part.


Now granted this may be a problem for subscribers in the Ka band/MPEG-4 only local markets who don't like pillar-boxing. But while stretching and zooming in on an HD image is inflexible if allowed at all on many HDTV sets, a lot have a setting that will at least do a fixed zoom on the picture enough to eliminate the pillar bars on up-converted 4:3 material and is better than stretch-o-vision IMO, even with the slight loss of PQ from zooming.

both of thier tvs had a cinestretch, but that involves chaning that per show, per hour, per day back and forth between HD broadcast in widescreen and then SD broadcast with black bars that the receiver wont stretch at all even in original mode like it would stretch on a non local and SD channel.


On my Samsung HDTV for instance it's called "Wide Fit." Did you check to see what TV display settings these customer's sets may have had to help in this situation?

This mode does cut off vital info when doing this on a local with SD broadcast with black bars, it ends up cutting off the snow cancellations and other vital info


You could have told them its still a very convenient feature to have anyway in case they changed their minds or have situations where they would want to stream recorded shows between their boxes.

they wanted them completely seperated so they had me cancel MRV, he didnt want to see the crap she recorded and vice versa, they wanted it to be just like dish




Can't say as I agree with your assessments here, but to each his own I suppose.

Its not really to each his own, its just a major lacking of direct with not the setup but management of recordings. HUGE FAIL!! YOu cant really bring your side in on the subject if you dont know how both systems work.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 04:46 PM

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The dish list shows all your dvr recordings, upcoming and the priority on a scale from 1-100, also have a screen showing which programs are not recording due to rerun or priority has skipped them. Theres about 4 main screens of info that direct doesnt even come close to offer, its basically all by memory on direct and if someone else setup a recording other than you all you can do i browse the guide through 300 channels for the upcoming week to see whats going to be recorded or not. Big FAIL on Directs part.

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What??????? The 'To-Do List' tells exactly what's recording for the next 2 weeks. 'Manage Recordings' is pretty thorough.
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 10:19 PM

The dish list shows all your dvr recordings, upcoming and the priority on a scale from 1-100, also have a screen showing which programs are not recording due to rerun or priority has skipped them. Theres about 4 main screens of info that direct doesnt even come close to offer, its basically all by memory on direct and if someone else setup a recording other than you all you can do i browse the guide through 300 channels for the upcoming week to see whats going to be recorded or not. Big FAIL on Directs part.


Dude...it's called the "To Do List" which has all this info for you on DirecTV. Same thing that Tivo had. Been there since day one.

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 05:16 AM

This isnt really the situation. Direct offers 1 free HD DVR, dish offers up to 3 HD dvrs for free, no cost. I personally have 4 DVRS with dish, 4 boxes, running 6 seperate tvs. So basically it costs $150 to add a second dvr to direct.....well thats what my retailer charges anyway, they did have a promo for like a week at the end of summer that the 2nd dvr was $50 but that was short lived. So going to free stuff to pay for equipment is the deal breaker. ...


You mean dish offers up to three of their HD DVRs free of charge to new subscribers, even their best ones? :eek2:

So if I asked for say three 922s or 922Ks free of charge to sign up, dish will provide them?

If so then I will certainly give dish their due props for that over DirecTV. :gott:

... The dish list shows all your dvr recordings, upcoming and the priority on a scale from 1-100, also have a screen showing which programs are not recording due to rerun or priority has skipped them. Theres about 4 main screens of info that direct doesnt even come close to offer, its basically all by memory on direct and if someone else setup a recording other than you all you can do i browse the guide through 300 channels for the upcoming week to see whats going to be recorded or not. Big FAIL on Directs part

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As others have already responded, the "To Do List" which DirecTV has featured for years on their DVRs combined with the "Series Manager," and I would add the "History" list can more than supply all of this above.

... both of thier tvs had a cinestretch, but that involves chaning that per show, per hour, per day back and forth between HD broadcast in widescreen and then SD broadcast with black bars that the receiver wont stretch at all even in original mode like it would stretch on a non local and SD channel.


OK, I'll admit its not the best solution for those in the MPEG-4 only markets who have an aversion to pillar-boxing. But before I become overly critical of DirecTV for this, does dish always supply both HD channels and an SD mirror to all their local markets?

... This mode does cut off vital info when doing this on a local with SD broadcast with black bars, it ends up cutting off the snow cancellations and other vital info


I don't really see this happen on my Wide Fit setting if the station properly positions any pertinent graphic info. in the 4:3 safe area. Even with the guide up the slight vertical and horizontal cropping that results does not really cut off any information.

... They wanted them completely seperated so they had me cancel MRV, he didnt want to see the crap she recorded and vice versa, they wanted it to be just like dish


Then I must say I'm confused as to why they chose to leave dish to begin with. :confused:

And did you explain to them that even with MRV this sort of isolation may be accomplished at option by simply electing to display only the local playlist on each box?

Or that MRV may be essentially disabled altogether by turning off playlist sharing?

... Its not really to each his own, its just a major lacking of direct with not the setup but management of recordings. HUGE FAIL!! YOu cant really bring your side in on the subject if you dont know how both systems work.


But I certainly can speak about criticisms of DirecTV as a sub. since '95. and I can't honestly say any of these are really "hugh failings."

Though as I said, I will give dish their just kudos for offering up to three free HD DVRs to new subs. if true.




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