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#21 OFFLINE   Maruuk

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 03:05 PM

A stunt pulled by the Japanese. As was pointed out, it would have been an act of murder had anybody been below deck. The ship steered straight for the becalmed Ady Gil.

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 03:17 PM

You must have missed the part where the guy was ordered to let it sink...
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Posted 12 April 2011 - 03:58 PM

You must have missed the part where the guy was ordered to let it sink...

So you're maintaining that the PR "stunt" was letting it sink? And what other option did they have? Tow it 2000 miles back to port?

The Japanese whaler rammed a vessel that had stopped due to their fuel state. The Ady Gil was clearly not making any headway and by international law, the Japanese vessel was required to alter course so as to not hit the Ady Gil. Of course the Sea Shepherds have also ignored international laws when they come up along side the Japanese ships which at times has resulted in the two ships bouncing off each other.

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 04:57 PM

They had to let the Ady sink, it had taken on too much water to tow and was a nav hazard to boot.

Either you believe the Japanese are violating international maritime agreements or you don't. I do, and further feel that even if they technically weren't, I'd be all for the Sea Shepherds protecting these incredible fellow sentient beings with their lives anyway. Sometimes it just comes down to the old-fashioned values of right, and wrong. Shame on the Japanese for this murderous scam for profits. "Research"....right. We should have withheld all tsunami help until they agreed to stop all whaling. Their society supports dolphin and whale slaughter. Time to make them "lose face" in the international community over that brutality and inhumanity.

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 07:17 PM

You must have missed the part where the guy was ordered to let it sink...


You clearly didn't watch the show. There was no order to let it sink. There was a decision made to let it sink. They decided to let it sink because after towing it for 24 hours behind another boat it was going under anyways.

It was not a publicity stunt and people were almost killed, by the Japanese Whalers.
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Posted 13 April 2011 - 11:34 AM

Isn't it a maritime law that you are obligated to render assistance, whether you caused the incident or not? I'm not sure the Japanese crew even offered.
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Posted 13 April 2011 - 01:19 PM

Of course it is. The Japanese scoff at all maritime laws and simply refuse to admit anything, and totally lie about all of the circumstances in their encounters with the Sea Shepherds. We all know that via direct knowledge from watching the show.

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 02:25 PM

Of course it is. The Japanese scoff at all maritime laws and simply refuse to admit anything, and totally lie about all of the circumstances in their encounters with the Sea Shepherds. We all know that via direct knowledge from watching the show.


I've watched all seasons so far, but I didn't archive any of them, so I couldn't remember if Pete (Bethume) and the Ady got an offer to assist from the Captain of the Shonan Maru 2.

It doesn't really matter. We all know what eventually happened to the Ady Gil. :nono2:
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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:43 PM

I've watched all seasons so far, but I didn't archive any of them, so I couldn't remember if Pete (Bethume) and the Ady got an offer to assist from the Captain of the Shonan Maru 2.

It doesn't really matter. We all know what eventually happened to the Ady Gil. :nono2:


If I remember right the Japanese did reluctantly offer help but not until after all the other whaling vessels arrived on scene.
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Posted 13 April 2011 - 07:09 PM

Yes, the Japanese did offer assistance after that ran into the Ady Gil and then hosed down the crew that were all sitting on the decks.

Lets hope the Sea Shepherds learned a lesson from this incident and refuel their new boat whenever they get a chance. Letting a vessel run out of fuel in that area of the world is asking for trouble.

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 09:51 AM

If I remember right the Japanese did reluctantly offer help but not until after all the other whaling vessels arrived on scene.


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Posted 14 April 2011 - 09:52 AM

Yes, the Japanese did offer assistance after that ran into the Ady Gil and then hosed down the crew that were all sitting on the decks.

Lets hope the Sea Shepherds learned a lesson from this incident and refuel their new boat whenever they get a chance. Letting a vessel run out of fuel in that area of the world is asking for trouble.


If the "war" is indeed over, fuel won't be a problem going forward. :hurah:
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Posted 14 April 2011 - 11:28 AM

Japanese whaling operations are a separate issue. I have a problem with individuals and groups who take part in eco-terrorism methods without concern for injury or loss of life. You cannot condemn one, while condoning the other.
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Posted 14 April 2011 - 11:40 AM

Japanese whaling operations are a separate issue. I have a problem with individuals and groups who take part in eco-terrorism methods without concern for injury or loss of life. You cannot condemn one, while condoning the other.


Hey, the eco-terrorist are only doing it for “tissue samples”. :lol:

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 11:54 AM

Japanese whaling operations are a separate issue. I have a problem with individuals and groups who take part in eco-terrorism methods without concern for injury or loss of life. You cannot condemn one, while condoning the other.


Right you are!

The operative word here is awareness. Is there another TV show that covers one of the "others"?

Before you dismiss the Japanese whaling operations as a "separate issue", maybe you should watch some of the slaughtering that Whale Wars so helplessly depicts. That's awareness!
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 01:15 PM

For the way they treat whales and dolphins, John Lennon might say the Nipponese are suffering from Instant Karma right about now.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 01:56 PM

For the way they treat whales and dolphins, John Lennon might say the Nipponese are suffering from Instant Karma right about now.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 03:06 PM

For the way they treat whales and dolphins, John Lennon might say the Nipponese are suffering from Instant Karma right about now.


I've read a few things here and there that hint to the fact that whaling is done for good because of the earthquake. The Nisshin Maru was re-purposed as a support/supply ship upon its return to port on 3/21. This is apparently for the foreseeable future.
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 02:22 AM

Whales 1, Heartless Killers 0. Works for me!

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:28 PM

I've read a few things here and there that hint to the fact that whaling is done for good because of the earthquake. The Nisshin Maru was re-purposed as a support/supply ship upon its return to port on 3/21. This is apparently for the foreseeable future.


The Sea Shepherds also thought there wouldn't be another season. But last month the Japanese ministry overseeing whaling "research" asked that a Japanese Coast Guard cutter be sent with their fleet next season to protect their "research." There are some legal issues (war ships are not allowed in the treaty area) and funding restraints to this request, so the Coast Guard ship probably won't be sent.

But earlier this week at the International Whaling Commission's annual meeting, the Japanese made an official statement that the Japanese whaling fleet intends to return to the Southern Ocean this December.

Sea Shepherds have said they will be there with at least three ships (looking for a fourth) and there will be a fifth season to Whale Wars.




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