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#26 OFFLINE   webby_s

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 11:00 AM

Would you be able to give us some info on the "rooting" process? Or a link to that process? And explain the value of doing that? Thanx.

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You can find rooting and other upgrade information for the Viewsonic G at http://forum.android...sonic-g-tablet/. That site has lots of good info for many different tablets (there are other good sites as well). There have been some pretty good deals (<$300) on that tablet recently.

Rooting (i.e., becoming the root or "superuser", terms common to the Linux OS) allows you to tinker with the filesystem and do things that you may not accomplish otherwise.

I have a Nook Color, which is a pretty good ebook reader with a couple of added features (the next upgrade should add a bunch more). By rooting, I was able to add the Android Market with a very large number of applications and turn it into a usable tablet computer.

You can also run advanced software versions and apps from a micro-SD card without having to root the device itself. I have Cyanogen Mod 7 (based on Android 2.3) running that way (dual boot) and have also tried Honeycomb (Android 3.0). Both of these are oriented more toward tablets instead of smart phones.


bobnielsen has given you great info, the site I usually go to is XDA. Gtab on XDA here They have IMO a little more info then Android Central but both equal quality.

I have rooted my Evo about 7 months ago so I had a little knowledge of what I needed to and compaired to most devices the Gtab is SIMPLE to root.
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:43 PM

I might get flamed for this, so I apologize up-front, but I couldn't imagine buying any tablet other then an iPad.

Maybe it's my Blackberry mentality, where for the last several years, almost everyday there's something cooler on other people's devices ... Now I'm finally part of the majority / cool club, finally. :)

And everyone wants one (iPad). Been trying to get an iPad2, and the words from every location (Apple store, Best Buy, Radio Shack, Target), ...) is that the iPad2 is the most requested item, and sells out minutes after arrival.


I'll probably end up with one, just before they come out with the iPad3. This will never end.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:45 PM

Maybe a better choice of words would have been that it's nice to mostly never again need to worry about whether an App is available on my device, like the DirecTV App, but I probably have dozens of other examples (at least for me). Just like TV, content is king.


Agreed. That's the only reason I took the Xoom back. My Droid phone has so many more apps than the Xoom. I do understand the reason for that. Still doesn't satisfy me.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:48 PM

I'm with you on that.

I'm certainly doing my homework on tablets before investing $500+ on one of them. I commend Rich584 for doing the same.

The most important criteria - it comes down to "What am I going to use if for most of the time, and what does it need to be able to do at any time?". As for Apps...if there are 1 million or 10,000...those numbers mean little, as long as all the key applications are available for what people use these devices for - the rest is mostly fluff stuff most will never use. Every iPad user I've seen in person has <100 apps installed.

I see this device as an opportunity to 1) View HD video (that eliminates the current iPads - but iPad 3 might be in play), 2) on some trips substitute for my laptop (it needs to view and interact with MS Office Powerpoint, Word, and Excel files, 3) it needs to (obviously) browse the web (Flash support is needed for many of the sites I frequent - also not supported by the current iOS tablets), 4) be able to print via bluetooth or USB connectivity directly from applications, 5) be able to store large files for access to #1 and #2 item files above, and 6) support network connectivity and security, including VPN access.

Everyone will have their own needs, but based on those - the newest Android tablets and perhaps iPad3 will be the focus and lead candidates. Right now, the Android 3.0 Honeycomb units seem to meet all these needs.

Since they are just starting to roll out one brand at a time...and iPad3 is likely 6 months or more away...Android units will get my attention to research in the next 90 days or so.


Um, the Xoom has the 3.0 Honeycomb, I believe. And a paucity of apps...just checked and it does have the Honeycomb.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:48 PM

Agreed. That's the only reason I took the Xoom back. My Droid phone has so many more apps than the Xoom. I do understand the reason for that. Still doesn't satisfy me.

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As Android ramps up, the app number disparity will become much less of an issue in the same way it has on the phone.
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:50 PM

I'm very interested in this thread because sometime in the coming months I'll be purchasing one of these 'things of beauty'. Anything with the Android OS is peaking my interest, but working with Apple products, in a work enviroment and for play, for 5 years is causing me to lean towards the iPad/iPad 2. The camera's are something that could be a make or break for me depending on how the PQ is. I take pictures of my son a lot throughout the day on my Android Comet and they turn out fairly nice depending on the lighting. The games are a lot of fun, and since my pc is connected to my only HD TV, it would be nice to have something other than my phone to surf the web and check my email on while my wife is melting faces on Bulletstorm :lol: What are the prices on the iPad/iPad2 now?

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:52 PM

Only the Android tablets have HD (720p) resolution screens - iPads don't. The iPad3 is rumored to have their Retina screen, which would improve upon HD playback.

As for the Camera - the Androids have that covered well too.


Small screen, 720p is not bad. I watched some content on NetFlix on the iPad2 I had and it was more than acceptable. My Droid X has a very impressive camera.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:53 PM

Um, the Xoom has the 3.0 Honeycomb, I believe. And a paucity of apps...just checked and it does have the Honeycomb.

Rich

Yes - I reference that in Post #24.

Its the first of a multitude of new Android tablets.
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:54 PM

The new Android units are just starting to roll out.

My best recommendation is to follow this thread, and device informatoin links provided in posts, and the great information the many posters provide.

It appears Rich584, you, and I are all in about the same timelines for a buying decision, and exploring many of the same possibilities.

Regardless of anyone's choice (iPad, Android, or other), the first decision is what do you want it to do, and then pursue your best options along those lines. In terms of your question on Android tablet prices - there are tiers (based on internal memory), but you'll find them in the $449 -$579 range for the most part. Since they support SD card memory expansion for storage...you may not need the largest internal memory model.


I gotta try that Acer for $450. If the Xoom would have cost $450, I'd still have it.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 12:56 PM

I gotta try that Acer for $450. If the Xoom would have cost $450, I'd still have it.

Rich

The Acer does look nice...and the 2 reviews I've seen point out the nice form factor in the hands (and slightly lighter than the Xoom).

With Best Buy selling them, and the $450 pricetag...it would seem to be a formidable player.
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 01:40 PM

Amazon now has the Samsung Galaxy Tab Wi-Fi version for $349.00.

http://www.amazon.co...om&linkCode=as1

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 01:59 PM

Amazon now has the Samsung Galaxy Tab Wi-Fi version for $349.00.

http://www.amazon.co...om&linkCode=as1


I had one in my hands the other day in BB in Bridgewater. I gotta go up there and see how the browser window looks. When I use Google on my Droid, I gotta constantly stretch the picture and read parts of pages. I kinda like the size of the Galaxy. I gotta try one out.

Does that rooting process involve anything physical. Like taking the thing apart? Can you reverse the process? What actual advantages do you see when you root the tablet?

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 02:59 PM

PC World ran a story yesterday Five Tablet Computer Myths, Busted Open which basically reports from a survey of tablet owners:
  • A whopping 82 percent use tablets primarily in the home;
  • Only half of tablet purchasers use them for music and video entertainment as they are mostly used at home where there is a large TV option except, of course, they count YouTube snippets and the like;
  • While people browse the web on a tablet, the use is different from that of a desktop PC as the use is primarily for searching for information;
  • A whopping 84 percent of use their tablet to play games;
  • Only 23 percent have not decreased their desktop/laptop usage after getting a tablet.

This was not posted from my iPad.;)

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 05:03 PM

Anyone catch the HDNet World Report about Apple devices causing all the employee illnesses in China where they manufacturer them using some pretty caustic stuff? Made Apple look pretty bad.....course I'm sure Apple's not the only company guilty of all the bad stuff that gets done in that type of manufacturing....

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 05:15 PM

Was just informed by a buddy of mine, Verizon has the Galaxy on sale for $199.

EDIT: Also, did anyone else see anything in Teigra 2 (sp?) with NVIDIA? Saw a video of them playing a FPS on it and it looked better than some of the computers I owned :grin:

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 06:16 PM

Would you be able to give us some info on the "rooting" process? Or a link to that process? And explain the value of doing that? Thanx.

Rich




Rooting means to give yourself superuser permission. Essentially when you get your device there are things you're not allowed to do. You're locked out of making certain changes so you can't do something that makes your device inoperable or remove something they don't want you to. Rooting allows you to do anything you want to a degree. You can't remove embedded programs or things like that. It gives you the option though of install custom ROMS.

Now what I think the OP was really getting to is once you root your device you can install a custom ROM. This is where the true power of Android OS comes out. ROMS are customer versions of Android OS and are usually much better than versions you will get from a manufacturer. They are always the latest version and usually are bloatware free.

However the one thing is this thread is talking about new tablets and all new tablets will be launching with Honeycombe so it's not as beneficial, at the moment, to root and rom your phone. There are very little ROMS out there right now. Rooting still allows you to run some apps that are nice like garbage clean up apps, overclocking, file explorers, ad removers, and other misc apps.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 06:41 PM

PC World ran a story yesterday Five Tablet Computer Myths, Busted Open which basically reports from a survey of tablet owners:

  • A whopping 82 percent use tablets primarily in the home;
  • Only half of tablet purchasers use them for music and video entertainment as they are mostly used at home where there is a large TV option except, of course, they count YouTube snippets and the like;
  • While people browse the web on a tablet, the use is different from that of a desktop PC as the use is primarily for searching for information;
  • A whopping 84 percent of use their tablet to play games;
  • Only 23 percent have not decreased their desktop/laptop usage after getting a tablet.

This was not posted from my iPad.;)

Those are interesting stats to be sure.

Then again...the tablet era has only just begun, so much of that behavior is likely a result of what can/cannot be done with tablets to date.
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 07:06 PM

I actually got to try an iPad out for size today. Went on my lunch break to visit a friend at StarTech and they had the iPad/iPad2's on display for customers to play with.....Wasn't that impressed really. Was hoping to be blown away, or atleast have the feelings the guys did in the high speed Penzoil commercial with their hair "blowing in the wind"
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 09:56 PM

[*]A whopping 82 percent use tablets primarily in the home;

[*]Only half of tablet purchasers use them for music and video entertainment as they are mostly used at home where there is a large TV option except, of course, they count YouTube snippets and the like;

[*]While people browse the web on a tablet, the use is different from that of a desktop PC as the use is primarily for searching for information;

[*]A whopping 84 percent of use their tablet to play games;

[*]Only 23 percent have not decreased their desktop/laptop usage after getting a tablet.
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This was not posted from my iPad.;)


I can admit to a few of these stats. If not all. But I would say (personally) I have used my laptop/desktop less (at home) but no significant, but noticeably. I have an app (thumb keyboard) on my gtab that helps with typing, but if I had a standard keyboard on it, I would not use it as often. It can be impossible to type with a landscape type keyboard. I need my thumb keyboard.

I do a lot of browsing on the tab. I do some (maybe 30%) gaming on my tab and hope that gets higher! Music, slim to none. Evo smartphone for music, a lot more!
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Posted 16 April 2011 - 10:05 PM

If I still work, I would have one. It would have replace my PDA. But being retired I can't figure out a use for it. Maybe if it had an automatic baseball scoring app that would track a MLB game I was at, I would look into getting one, but that app and those features don't exist yet.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 06:40 AM

If I still work, I would have one. It would have replace my PDA. But being retired I can't figure out a use for it. Maybe if it had an automatic baseball scoring app that would track a MLB game I was at, I would look into getting one, but that app and those features don't exist yet.


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Posted 17 April 2011 - 06:53 AM

PC World ran a story yesterday Five Tablet Computer Myths, Busted Open which basically reports from a survey of tablet owners:

  • A whopping 82 percent use tablets primarily in the home;
  • Only half of tablet purchasers use them for music and video entertainment as they are mostly used at home where there is a large TV option except, of course, they count YouTube snippets and the like;
  • While people browse the web on a tablet, the use is different from that of a desktop PC as the use is primarily for searching for information;
  • A whopping 84 percent of use their tablet to play games;
  • Only 23 percent have not decreased their desktop/laptop usage after getting a tablet.

This was not posted from my iPad.;)


I know I don't want to use a tablet for music or video. Got enough devices for that. Don't want to pay for another data plan, so I'd only use it in the house. I do use my smart phone only for info that I want quickly. Don't play games. Can't imagine not using my desktops and laptops because I buy a tablet.

Matter of fact, I'm still kinda searching for a reason to buy a tablet. Money's not an issue, altho I don't like not being able to buy what I want when I want it (talking about the iPad2 here). Waiting three to six weeks for something that should be almost instantly available at those prices is ridiculous. Couldn't even bribe an Apple Store employee to hold one for me. Now we find that BB is hoarding them.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 06:58 AM

http://mlb.mlb.com/mobile/atbat/

Love the App. Just love it.

You can watch all the highlights of a game in 10 minutes, and the highlights appear during the game if you missed anything.

Also found a new use for MLB At Bat this week, took a picture of the screen during a game to show the eBay buyer of my iPad1 that it was real and in mint condition before he paid. :)

Off to Best Buy in a little while, to try and benefit from the Sunday iPad2 promotion, probably low odds but gonna try anyway ...

Best Buy and Toys R' Us Selling iPads on Sunday:

http://www.macrumors...pads-on-sunday/


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Posted 17 April 2011 - 07:00 AM

Anyone catch the HDNet World Report about Apple devices causing all the employee illnesses in China where they manufacturer them using some pretty caustic stuff? Made Apple look pretty bad.....course I'm sure Apple's not the only company guilty of all the bad stuff that gets done in that type of manufacturing....


Better to blame China's lack of safety procedures in manufacturing than to blame Apple. There's a reason we send all our manufacturing to other countries. It's too expensive to make them here under the strictures of the various agencies that police manufacturing. I know we followed the rules and regs of the countries we set up plants in until Bhopal. After that we followed our regs no matter where the plant was. NAFTA wasn't really about "jobs", it was about making products at a lower cost because no other country has more restrictive manufacturing policies in this hemisphere than we do.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 07:02 AM

Rooting means to give yourself superuser permission. Essentially when you get your device there are things you're not allowed to do. You're locked out of making certain changes so you can't do something that makes your device inoperable or remove something they don't want you to. Rooting allows you to do anything you want to a degree. You can't remove embedded programs or things like that. It gives you the option though of install custom ROMS.

Now what I think the OP was really getting to is once you root your device you can install a custom ROM. This is where the true power of Android OS comes out. ROMS are customer versions of Android OS and are usually much better than versions you will get from a manufacturer. They are always the latest version and usually are bloatware free.

However the one thing is this thread is talking about new tablets and all new tablets will be launching with Honeycombe so it's not as beneficial, at the moment, to root and rom your phone. There are very little ROMS out there right now. Rooting still allows you to run some apps that are nice like garbage clean up apps, overclocking, file explorers, ad removers, and other misc apps.


Thanx,

Rich




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