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The Battle is on! My landlord now demands I remove my dish


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#51 OFFLINE   lokar

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:00 AM

I wish you luck Vader, but have a much more general question for everyone. When did HoAs start coming into vogue? It seems everywhere has them these days, I know that me and the Mrs. were 100% agreed that we would never move to a neighborhood that had one and it made our house looking take a lot longer as they are so prevalent now.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:28 AM

Homeowner Associations (which doesn't apply in my case but does in my brother's in suburban Houston) are not unlike school boards of education or other elected, unpaid entities. I've always said, "You give them an unpaid, elected position of power, and these people think they're Hitlers."

Some people just love wielding power and telling others how to run their lives.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:30 AM

Most builders institute them in an effort to keep the property values of the developments high while they are finishing building out the development. Since most developments are built in stages now, the last thing the developer wants is to begin Stage 2 after Stage 1 is almost fully populated, but no one wants anything in Stage 2 since the neighborhood in Stage 1 looks awful.

While some HOA's certainly do go over the top in their restrictions, there are many out there that do a fine job of keeping the community clean looking, while allowing residents to have some sort of individuality.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:59 AM

we do that everyday. Its so you dont drill anymore holes in peoples roof.



Oh the Dish network idot, put his dish on the roof and bolted it there next to the chimney (so you can't see the dish from the ground), but used my bottom bracket.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 12:01 PM

Homeowner Associations (which doesn't apply in my case but does in my brother's in suburban Houston) are not unlike school boards of education or other elected, unpaid entities. I've always said, "You give them an unpaid, elected position of power, and these people think they're Hitlers.".....

I am one! I'm on the three member board that rules our condo complex. The articles, covenants and rules give me amazing power! They also require that I "maintain the value" of the real estate and buildings. Nobody wants to do it!

Couple months ago I encouraged a new owner to put up their Dish, even though I suggested the switch to DirecTV! Everybody has cable but the two of us.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 01:16 PM

I wish you luck Vader, but have a much more general question for everyone. When did HoAs start coming into vogue? It seems everywhere has them these days, I know that me and the Mrs. were 100% agreed that we would never move to a neighborhood that had one and it made our house looking take a lot longer as they are so prevalent now.


I ran into them around the Baltimore, MD - Washington D.C. in the early seventies. I got the feeling they were originally used to convert small sized MDU buildings with many low pay tenants into MDUs with larger, up scale owned units. The small units were combined, the grounds were buffed up and the units were sold. The HOA was responsible for building maintenance but the units could be bought and sold like real estate.

New construction followed when the supply of apartments was sold down.

Probably different from state to state.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 01:26 PM

I wish you luck Vader, but have a much more general question for everyone. When did HoAs start coming into vogue? It seems everywhere has them these days, I know that me and the Mrs. were 100% agreed that we would never move to a neighborhood that had one and it made our house looking take a lot longer as they are so prevalent now.


Most builders institute them in an effort to keep the property values of the developments high while they are finishing building out the development. Since most developments are built in stages now, the last thing the developer wants is to begin Stage 2 after Stage 1 is almost fully populated, but no one wants anything in Stage 2 since the neighborhood in Stage 1 looks awful.

While some HOA's certainly do go over the top in their restrictions, there are many out there that do a fine job of keeping the community clean looking, while allowing residents to have some sort of individuality.

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Exactly. It's why I made sure we built our current house in an area that had a HOA and I doubt I'll ever live somewhere without one again - unless I end up living in the country with some land.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 04:31 PM

Interesting comments, I guess me and Vader must be in the minority with disliking HoAs.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 04:40 PM

Interesting comments, I guess me and Vader must be in the minority with disliking HoAs.


I am with you, but we are in the minority. It really surprises me how many people will give up their freedom to use their property as they see fit in order to obtain a perceived benefit of increasing property values.
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 05:30 PM

I am with you, but we are in the minority. It really surprises me how many people will give up their freedom to use their property as they see fit in order to obtain a perceived benefit of increasing property values.


I have owned a house in neighborhoods with and without an HOA (currently with). I can certainly make a valid argument both for and against. While my current HOA is definitely a little tough to deal with, if you don't do anything stupid, they leave you alone. I break the rules all the time (including installing my dish without submitting a drawing of its proposed location and getting permission), but I don't do anything which my neighbors would object to, so nobody ever says anything.

My HOA fees also include things that I wouldn't otherwise have, like a pool, a clubhouse, walking trails, etc.

Like I said, I can argue both sides, and do so fairly effectively.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 05:34 PM

Any news from the front, Vader?

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 05:58 PM

How is your dish grounded?

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 06:14 PM

Interesting comments, I guess me and Vader must be in the minority with disliking HoAs.


No one should have that much power. Well, except for perhaps one individual of whom I am thinking. :D

Any news from the front, Vader?


Nothing yet. My attorney and I exchanged Emails about this for the hell of it, though. When I brought up the possibility of them deciding to not renew my lease (assuming I won the battle), he said, "Based on what you have provided me with the federal regulations, you would definitely have a legal case against your landlord."

FWIW, my attorney is a partner in what is probably the most powerful law firm in Du Page County. The principal partner there (my attorney's father) used to run the county as its GOP chairman (there are no Democrats in this county), and my mother once worked for his firm. !Devil_lol !Devil_lol

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 06:44 PM

I am with you, but we are in the minority. It really surprises me how many people will give up their freedom to use their property as they see fit in order to obtain a perceived benefit of increasing property values.


What freedom? There's nothing that my HOA forbids that I would do anyway. You're right though, if you're prone to leaving cars on blocks in the street or your garbage cans in your yard or any of a number of other things that my HOA forbids, than it's not for you.

I have owned a house in neighborhoods with and without an HOA (currently with). I can certainly make a valid argument both for and against. While my current HOA is definitely a little tough to deal with, if you don't do anything stupid, they leave you alone. I break the rules all the time (including installing my dish without submitting a drawing of its proposed location and getting permission), but I don't do anything which my neighbors would object to, so nobody ever says anything.

My HOA fees also include things that I wouldn't otherwise have, like a pool, a clubhouse, walking trails, etc.

Like I said, I can argue both sides, and do so fairly effectively.


Exactly (bolded part). Heck, we don't even need to submit anything to put up a dish or anything like that, but if I wanted to build a 20' high shed in my backyard, I'd need permission. I'm thankful for that.

I hear from my HOA twice per year when it's time to pay dues. Other than that, I would have no idea they even existed - but, as you say, I don't do anything stupid with my property. I'm sure there's others that hear from them more often - like my neighbor across the street who's yet to mow his lawn this year and the weeks are about 12" tall - If he hasn't already, I think he'll be hearing from them soon.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 06:57 PM

LV, still hoping (and expecting) you'll prevail soon.

Regarding HOAs: I too have been in HOAs and have been without them. A good HOA is a good thing. They don't abuse their power, they provide group services that otherwise are more expensive, they can help solve problems. All those things can help keep property values up and generally just help with the job of maintaining a home.

On the other hand, woe is everyone in a bad HOA. I wasn't in one, but some of the neighboring HOAs were pretty close. And I've read the horror stories here too. :)

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:26 PM

Regarding HOAs: I too have been in HOAs and have been without them. A good HOA is a good thing. They don't abuse their power, they provide group services that otherwise are more expensive, they can help solve problems. All those things can help keep property values up and generally just help with the job of maintaining a home.

On the other hand, woe is everyone in a bad HOA. I wasn't in one, but some of the neighboring HOAs were pretty close. And I've read the horror stories here too. :)

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That's probably true Tom, and I don't want to derail the thread into an HOA thread (I think we've had that before), so I'll just say that I don't believe that every HOA is great - but if I'm buying/building a house with one, I make sure to read every bi-law and rule and get involved if I need to- but I do believe they serve a purpose and there's more good ones than bad ones. I'm just mystified, however, by those that think every HOA is evil and make blanket statements about never wanting to be a part of one - what if it's a good one? Just doesn't make sense.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:44 PM

What freedom? There's nothing that my HOA forbids that I would do anyway. You're right though, if you're prone to leaving cars on blocks in the street or your garbage cans in your yard or any of a number of other things that my HOA forbids, than it's not for you.

Not to get too off topic, but...

Our first home was in a new subdivision and it has an HOA. One of our neighbors called it "The No Book" The ones that got me were: "No more than two dogs, two cats or two birds" Please tell me how they would know if I had more than two pets. Spies?

BTW, we still have friends there and they have DirecTV, as do several other homes.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:46 PM

Not to get too off topic, but...

Our first home was in a new subdivision and it has an HOA. One of our neighbors called it "The No Book" The ones that got me were: "No more than two dogs, two cats or two birds" Please tell me how they would know if I had more than two pets. Spies?

BTW, we still have friends there and they have DirecTV, as do several other homes.


Neighbors. This isn't unique to HOA's. Most cities have ordinances regarding the number of pets in the home.

All the best to the OP. I fought a similar battle about 10 years ago. It was a property manager with an authority complex; gotta love these type of folks...
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:56 PM

Neighbors. This isn't unique to HOA's. Most cities have ordinances regarding the number of pets in the home.


In most states the limit is 4 dogs, above that you need a kennel license. I have three yorkies, which would put me in violation of "Rancho Cimarron's" CC&Rs

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:58 PM

Every condo and home association is different in how far they go in permissible locations for satellite dishes, so I'm curious if you had to get permission to attach the dish to the inside post of your balcony? I know many folks have been told they could only keep the dish if they don't drill through condo property - in other words, the only way is a pole in a bucket of concrete sitting in the middle of their private use patio or balcony. Could they get you on grounds that you "damaged" their balcony post?

I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm or spirit, but just though it might be something to prepare for ...


Yes, they can request you not attach it to their building. My landlord did that, and I asked her about the concrete and pole solution. She said "go for it, it's within OTARD". I took it down, plugged the holes with paintable caulk, spent $10 at Home Depot, and I was done. It didn't move during a Category 1 hurricane.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:58 PM

Lord Vader,

How is your dish grounded?

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:58 PM

No one should have that much power. Well, except for perhaps one individual of whom I am thinking. :D



Nothing yet. My attorney and I exchanged Emails about this for the hell of it, though. When I brought up the possibility of them deciding to not renew my lease (assuming I won the battle), he said, "Based on what you have provided me with the federal regulations, you would definitely have a legal case against your landlord."

FWIW, my attorney is a partner in what is probably the most powerful law firm in Du Page County. The principal partner there (my attorney's father) used to run the county as its GOP chairman (there are no Democrats in this county), and my mother once worked for his firm. !Devil_lol !Devil_lol


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Posted 29 April 2011 - 08:11 PM

Lord Vader,

How is your dish grounded?


By wire.

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 05:21 AM

I break the rules all the time (including installing my dish without submitting a drawing of its proposed location and getting permission), but I don't do anything which my neighbors would object to, so nobody ever says anything.


If your HOA requires a drawing and prior permission to install a dish, then the HOA is in violation of the OTARD. So you're not breaking any rules, they are.

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 06:23 AM

If your HOA requires a drawing and prior permission to install a dish, then the HOA is in violation of the OTARD. So you're not breaking any rules, they are.


Where in OTARD does it say there is not a requirement for permission to put up a dish or need for drawings?




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