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The Battle is on! My landlord now demands I remove my dish


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#601 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 10:29 PM

I may end up picking up 4 of them (that's all I need), and if the DirecTV technician brings his own, I'll just take mine back for a refund. I'd do this just in case he forgot to bring them Saturday.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:10 AM

I think its funny. They are trying to make it illegal to put up a sat dish by telling you how to hook it up, and saying the only way to hook it up is a way that physically does not exsit. All they have to do is say you can't drill any wholes in the exterior that go all the way through the wall and they would be well covered like every other complex on the planet, and then you can use the flat cables that I have used before, and you showed here, that do work, even for hd.

The lawyer who wrote that should have his license revoked.

#603 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:46 AM

Which is why I want Lisa McCabe of the SBCA and my attorney to review the thing.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:59 AM

I am an infrequent lurker on this board and I came across this thread last night.

Lord Vader: Keep fighting the good fight. It is awesome to see you stand up for what you know is right. All management had to do is let sleeping dogs lie, but they thought they had a pushover (like many uninformed people might be). I wish you luck in the resolution of this conflict and hope it's settled soon.

ALL HAIL LORD VADER!

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:22 PM

Here is the addendum that has now been sent to the SBCA for their review.

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FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:30 PM

Here is the addendum that has now been sent to the SBCA for their review.

Everything else in there is standard stuff. I wonder where they got this ridiculous notion of a "through the glass" transmitter.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:32 PM

Here is the addendum that has now been sent to the SBCA for their review.


When they said "through the window" transmitter, did they happen to have a sample about what they were talking about. I would love to see what device works like that.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:33 PM

Here is the addendum that has now been sent to the SBCA for their review.


Couple of items in there I see as questionable:

1. Requiring you to provide "written notice" for installation? Interesting...

2. $500 security deposit. Don't know if the marks on the document was the leasing office scratching it out? I believe requiring that deposit does violate OTARD.

3. A "removable through the glass transmitter". Um, yeah....still want to see one of those.

4. Requiring the $100,000 of liability insurance. Does that unreasonably increase the cost as stated in OTARD?

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:33 PM

Everything else in there is standard stuff. I wonder where they got this ridiculous notion of a "through the glass" transmitter.


Beats me. That's the only thing with which I would have a problem. Flat RG6 cables, of which I'm willing to bet my landlords have never heard, will do the trick for me; however, what the SBCA is concerned about is that little phrase of "through the glass" transmitter. They asked for a copy of this addendum to see if it funs afoul of the OTARD rules because it requires a renter to obtain that which does not exist.

Management is basically doing everything they can to try and prevent me (and others here) from installing a dish. With DISH Network having an exclusivity agreement here and kicking back to management a chunk of money for each resident signed up, that's to be expected.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:35 PM

Couple of items in there I see as questionable:

1. Requiring you to provide "written notice" for installation? Interesting...

2. $500 security deposit. Don't know if the marks on the document was the leasing office scratching it out? I believe requiring that deposit does violate OTARD.

3. A "removable through the glass transmitter". Um, yeah....still want to see one of those.

4. Requiring the $100,000 of liability insurance. Does that unreasonably increase the cost as stated in OTARD?

Aside from the non-existant transmitter, none of those things are questionable and I highly doubt you'd find an apartment complex that didn't have those rules.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:36 PM

Couple of items in there I see as questionable:

1. Requiring you to provide "written notice" for installation? Interesting...

2. $500 security deposit. Don't know if the marks on the document was the leasing office scratching it out? I believe requiring that deposit does violate OTARD.


They crossed it out after I demanded it and told them it wasn't legally permissible.

3. A "removable through the glass transmitter". Um, yeah....still want to see one of those.


Me, too.

4. Requiring the $100,000 of liability insurance. Does that unreasonably increase the cost as stated in OTARD?


Not sure, but they DO require all renters to have renter's/homeowner's insurance, which is no big deal. I think the liability requirement is $50,000, but my policy has a $300,000 one anyway.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:53 PM

Couple of items in there I see as questionable:

1. Requiring you to provide "written notice" for installation? Interesting...


But not illegal the way I read the OTARD.

Although a simple notification process might be permissible, such a process cannot be used as a prior approval requirement and may not delay or increase the cost of installation. The burden is on the association to show that a notification process does not violate our rule.



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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:28 PM

The only acceptable way to install the dish is with a removable clamp that does not require drilling.


The way I read this, your non-penetrating mount would not be permissible.

Its not my fight, but at this point, these people need to go down, and go down hard!

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:32 PM

The way I read this, your non-penetrating mount would not be permissible.

The language is so vague and non-lawyery that he could just put a c-clamp on there somewhere and be compliant.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:37 PM

Which is why, Jeremy, I'm having the SBCA look it over. Lisa there actually called me and requested a copy to review. I'll let you guys know what they say. Admittedly, I'm not expecting them to say much, but I sure wouldn't mind if they did. :)

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.


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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:57 PM

I have not seen a "through the glass transmitter", either, but while googling for such a beast, I found many more contracts with nearly identical wording:

From Mobile, AL

From Campus Appartments (see page 9).

From Union Hill

From Northern Management.

There are so many more that I could not post links to all of them. Some of these mention a product called "Glass Link" from Radio Shack, but I could not find the product listed on the Radio Shack web site.

I think the addendum is absurd, but apparently, someone wrote a model sattelite dish addendum and many management companies have copied it. As with almost everyone else, I hope Lord Vader prevails and anxiously await the outcome.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 01:59 PM

When they said "through the window" transmitter, did they happen to have a sample about what they were talking about. I would love to see what device works like that.



They may have been refering to something like this. I tried using some like these back when everything was Legacy equip. with mixed results. Haven't seen or heard of anyone using these for ages though.

This is the "Glass Link"

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:04 PM

There are so many more that I could not post links to all of them. Some of these mention a product called "Glass Link" from Radio Shack, but I could not find the product listed on the Radio Shack web site.

A company called Multiplex Technology made a product called GlassLink which was designed for this purpose, but it's long been discontinued and I believe the company went under as well. There's probably a good reason for that, as well as no other product existing today.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:11 PM

Not being one to give up easily, I figured that if so many management companies think such a product exists, then there is an outside chance that it does. I am not sure that this will work with modern LNBs, but these are the products to which the addendum is referring.

Linear Corp 1111

Linear Corp 1112

BTW, the 1111, and the 1112 are both listed as being discontinued. I have not yet found replacement products for these.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:14 PM

I am not sure that this will work with modern LNBs

It says right in the PDF that the bandwidth is 950 MHz to 1.45 GHz, so it would only support Ku. The Ka bands are above and below that.




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