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Dish Needs to Get Moving on 3D


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Poll: What is your current interest in 3D? (155 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your current interest in 3D?

  1. I own a 3DTV and am anxious for more 3D content (38 votes [24.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.36%

  2. I don't yet own a 3DTV but am planning to buy within the next 6 months (5 votes [3.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.21%

  3. I own a 3DTV but am not really interested in 3D content (18 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  4. I don't own a 3DTV and am not planning on investing in 3D in the near future (95 votes [60.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.90%

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#26 OFFLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:30 AM

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A better way to track adoption of 3D by consumers would be to find out how sales of the 3D glasses are doing... because lots of people are getting Blu-ray and HDTV w/ 3D because it comes built-in... but many are opting not to spend the additional money on the required glasses at this time.


That would not be a better way because glasses are almost always given for free in a "starter pack" with a voucher for a free exclusive 3D BR disc (Avatar, Megamind, etc) when you purchase a 3D set and sometimes with a 3D players.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:40 AM

I for one do not want 3D tv. It does not look real, it looks like a bunch of layers with flat images on them. I don't use the setting on my LCD that make film look like video either. I also hate it when programming is not shown in it's native aspect ratio. I also like the grain in film.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:01 AM

I have no interest in 3D tv, but my next TV (when the current on fails) will probably be 3D capable if gives the best 2D picture - unless the fad has died by then.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:16 AM

Every 25 years or so, some one makes a push to make 3D a cutting edge technology and really the concept has not changed since the 1950’s and until that happens it will not be accepted by the masses.

Currently there is only limited content and that content is unimpressive, at least in my opinion. Basically it is only creating more attention deficit disordered adolescents, along with 5 second scenes between cuts and CGI masturbation fests that pass as passable story telling.

There are many more important things Dish needs to be working on.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 10:43 AM

at least for we youth challenged on what we did for a living.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 11:20 AM

Why do you assume I fell for some trick? I also said that the TV manufacturers are predicted to ship 23 million 3D televisions this year. That's not two or ten or a hundred or a thousand.


It's a feature built into TVs that will very likely be unused on the vast majority of those sets though. It's like trying to say that COMPOSITE VIDEO is going to be very popular next year because TV manufacturers are predicted to ship 40 million televisions with composite video inputs. :grin:

In other words, using the numbers of 3D-capable TVs being shipped to try to justify something related to providing 3D content is quite a stretch. They aren't necessarily that related.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 11:28 AM

Plus if someone chooses to purchase a top-of-the-line set today, it will likely have 3D.

3D capability and a full set of 3D spectacles are two different things.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 11:31 AM

3D capability and a full set of 3D spectacles are two different things.


I think that was klang's point -- that all these TVs have 3D built in, but it doesn't mean that they are using the technology, of course.

If people want to try to "predict" the importance and growth and interest of 3D for the next year, they shouldn't be looking at the number of 3D TVs sold, they should be looking at the number of PURCHASED (not bundled with the TV) 3D glasses. That would be a better indicator, of course. Not perfect, but certainly more pertinent than just the number of 3D capable HDTVs sold, of course.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 11:47 AM

According to an In-Stat report released yesterday, sales of 3D televisions are up 500% from last year. They also predict that soon all TVs over 40" will have 3D built-in. The prices of 1080p 3D projectors are also coming down. In-Stat predicts that by 2015 300 million households worldwide will have a 3D TV.

Also this month, another research firm, iSuppli, confirms In-Stat's numbers, and predicts 3D TV shipments up 463 percent in 2011, with a total of 23.4 million units shipped. They see 3D TV shipments increasing by 132 percent in 2012, with 54.2 million units shipped. By 2015, iSuppli predicts that over half of all TVs shipped will be 3D.

Don't confuse predictions with functional units delivered.

Best Buy bet the farm on 3D in 2010 and it virtually didn't happen. 3D capable TVs represented only 2% of the sales. A 500% increase represents only 10% of the TV market.

There's still the overarching issue of a paucity of must-have content that plagues 3D. Even after ESPN3D went full-time, DIRECTV's incarnation of the channel is still part-time.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 12:20 PM

Will 3D even be around 5 years from now? Or will it have disappeared again like it has in the past?
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 12:33 PM

I think that was klang's point -- that all these TVs have 3D built in, but it doesn't mean that they are using the technology, of course.


Yep, exactly right. I'm sure the next 55" class TV I buy will be 3D capable although I have no interest in the feature.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 12:52 PM

I'm still waiting for full holographic projection where the program plays out IN your room instead of on a screen. Add smell-o-vision and sensory touch and it'll be the next best thing to a Holodeck.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 02:44 PM

I'm still waiting for full holographic projection where the program plays out IN your room instead of on a screen. Add smell-o-vision and sensory touch and it'll be the next best thing to a Holodeck.


I believe that smell-o-vision was already tried in some jungle movie. Until that elephant passed gas... :)

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 03:17 PM

Every 25 years or so, some one makes a push to make 3D a cutting edge technology and really the concept has not changed since the 1950’s and until that happens it will not be accepted by the masses.


It seems to me the same was said about multi-channel audio. We had Quad in the 70's. The experts and non-experts alike said multi-channel audio was a waste, and it didn't add anything. They said there was no use for it. "Nice try. No one's interested." It was declared dead forever.

Fast forward to 2011. Multi-channel audio is almost ubiquitous. It has a different name now. Oh, and it has even more audio channels than before.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 03:24 PM

One difference ---- multi-channel audio actually works.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 03:31 PM

One difference ---- multi-channel audio actually works.


3D doesn't work? :confused:
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:27 PM

I suppose when the day comes that there's channels providing new content in 3-D on a regular basis and there's actually enough consumer demand for Dish to make some $$$ on them then yes they need to jump aboard the 3-D bandwagon. Until that day though.....not so much.


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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:27 PM

3D doesn't work? :confused:


It does, but really no better than in the past.

The problem with 3D is that much of our source material really doesn't benefit from 3D.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:30 PM

It does, but really no better than in the past.

The problem with 3D is that much of our source material really doesn't benefit from 3D.

But the material that does really does benefit. Nobody says that all programming needs to be in 3D.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:32 PM

It does, but really no better than in the past.

The problem with 3D is that much of our source material really doesn't benefit from 3D.


It's a whole lot better than those blue & red glasses; colors and effects were atrocious. Just like HD...There's good 3D and bad 3D.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 05:26 PM

That would not be a better way because glasses are almost always given for free in a "starter pack" with a voucher for a free exclusive 3D BR disc (Avatar, Megamind, etc) when you purchase a 3D set and sometimes with a 3D players.


I was not aware that some manufacturers are giving away 3D glasses.

Still... I did say track "purchases" of 3D glasses.

You can't track HDTV or Blu-ray device purchases... and you can't track freebies.

You could only track purchased 3D glasses... or perhaps movies... but then some of the movies are given away too as promos with TVs.

Bottom line... there hasn't as yet been any reliable data that shows the public is clamoring to purchase 3D in large numbers.... only data that shows people will accept 3D with whatever other purchase they were making anyway.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 07:15 PM

I was not aware that some manufacturers are giving away 3D glasses.

Still... I did say track "purchases" of 3D glasses.

You can't track HDTV or Blu-ray device purchases... and you can't track freebies.

You could only track purchased 3D glasses... or perhaps movies... but then some of the movies are given away too as promos with TVs.

Bottom line... there hasn't as yet been any reliable data that shows the public is clamoring to purchase 3D in large numbers.... only data that shows people will accept 3D with whatever other purchase they were making anyway.


Vizio and LG have put a wrench into the works of tracking 3D glasses sales as a barometer of interest in 3D with their just released passive 3D TVs. With the passive 3D TVs you can just use the glasses you got for free at the movie theater.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:01 PM

When is dish gonna make the 722k able to play 3d PPV.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 02:34 AM

When is dish gonna make the 722k able to play 3d PPV.


I don't have a 722K... but I would have thought it would be the easiest one to implement after the 922, since they share a lot of the same hardware inside... I can't think of an obvious reason why the 722K couldn't do it... especially if they are working towards the regular 722 at some point.

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 03:35 PM

Good observations!

My criteria for moving to 3-D:

A - ONE (1) world-wide standard for 3D
B - NO glasses
C - Significantly more programming; just how many times can a human be expected to watch Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs?


I can answer item C, 0 (Zero) times.

As for must see content in 3D? Right now as I see it there is Zero content in 3D I have any interest in seeing. I haven't seen any new movie being advertised that made me think, I gotta go see that. Most of the movie being advertised make me think why did they waste all that time & money?

Being in 3D doesn't turn Garbage into Gold.

What am I looking forward to seeing? Warehouse 13, The Closer, Rizolli & Isles, Psych....
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