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Dish Needs to Get Moving on 3D


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Poll: What is your current interest in 3D? (155 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your current interest in 3D?

  1. I own a 3DTV and am anxious for more 3D content (38 votes [24.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.36%

  2. I don't yet own a 3DTV but am planning to buy within the next 6 months (5 votes [3.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.21%

  3. I own a 3DTV but am not really interested in 3D content (18 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  4. I don't own a 3DTV and am not planning on investing in 3D in the near future (95 votes [60.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.90%

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#126 OFFLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 02:40 PM

It is an indicator of availability of 3D titles... but I agree it isn't an indicator of interest in 3D.

When there aren't many titles available, it's hard to gauge consumer interest.

BUT... it's valid when saying that "Dish needs to get moving on 3D"... because if the leading movie companies have only produced 66 Blu-ray releases in 3D... and there are only a couple of 3D channels available... then it is hard to say Dish is very behind in 3D at this point.

Ticket sales at the box office have began to reflect that people care less about 3D than they do a good movie. GOOD 3D movies still sell well... but bad 3D movies no longer have that "new car smell" that drives people to buy tickets.

So... I think Dish would be smart to take the wait and see approach before investing too much in 3D technology.


Agreed. I think it's smart that Dish is waiting. I enjoy 3D, but there's no reason to invest in it like DirecTV seems to be doing.
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#127 OFFLINE   olguy

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 02:45 PM

I wonder how many of those 6057 are actually new movies that were released in the last couple or 3 years? I have several that are old movies remastered to bluray. Click here for a site that lists 67 3D movies that are to be/have been released in 2011 and 2013. Numbers are fun aren't they? If the folks who say 3D is just a fad that has no place in their home are correct then those of us who have 3D sets will not have a use for them in a few years and they can crow "I told you so!" In the meantime I for one will enjoy my 3D TVs. And my Panny bluray that does a decent job of converting 2D DVDs to 3D. And the Panny plasma that will convert any signal to 3D. Not perfect maybe but we enjoy them.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 03:01 PM

Granted many of those movie are not now or will never be offered in 3D, but my opinion comes from reading many online sites.

http://www.nbc-2.com...-with-3d-movies

http://www.technolog...asp?newsID=5107

http://www.cinemable...ws-2-25307.html

http://www.businessi.../3d-bust-2011-5

If you one of those that enjoys 3D that's fine with you, but I really feel that it will disappear once again, just like all the other incarnations have.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 03:17 PM

It seems to me the same was said about multi-channel audio. We had Quad in the 70's. The experts and non-experts alike said multi-channel audio was a waste, and it didn't add anything. They said there was no use for it. "Nice try. No one's interested." It was declared dead forever.

Fast forward to 2011. Multi-channel audio is almost ubiquitous. It has a different name now. Oh, and it has even more audio channels than before.

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#130 OFFLINE   Joe Bernardi

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 03:29 PM

I'm not wearing 3D glasses over my prescription glasses.

I'd be happy if the cable & satellite providers would just show uncompressed, full 1920 x 1080P.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 04:06 PM

Sales of 3D TVs are up because manufacturers are making their high end TVs 3D capable. In one article after another you see the comment "the best TV for 2D is a 3D capable TV". Doesn't mean viewers are all that excited about 3D. How are sales of extra 3D glasses? With some manufacturers only giving you one pair, families should be buying 3 or 4 extra pairs if they plan to watch a lot of 3D. I haven't seen the stats on glasses sales but they would be interesting. I know my next TV will probably be 3D capable because I want the best 2D but I'm not even sure I care about getting a 3D BluRay yet.


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I saw Avatar twice in 3D at the theater, when I got the BR DVD and watched is at home I was amazed at how much more detail I could see and I became more aware of the sound track, interesting. I started thinking about this and realized that the brain processing time of the 3D was detracting from the audio perception. I run a lot of live sound, when I really want to hear the mix I close my eyes so I can concentrate on the sound.
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 02:00 AM

Are they going to fill in the missing HD premium channels, which they have but only in SD? Like HBO2 West, MoreMax, Sho Extreme, Sho Beyond, TMC extra?

I'd like to see them get moving on that.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:49 PM

The audience for full time RSN's in HD is much greater than any audience for 3D.
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 08:24 PM

The audience for full time RSN's in HD is much greater than any audience for 3D.


Yes, not even close.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 04:28 AM

At the moment 3D is an over hyped diverse non-established "universal" specification that is no different than the HDMI group, Betamax/VHS or Blu-ray/HDDisc fighting matches. It's the movie theaters that have a set, somewhat, format that may not translate to LCD 3D. It will to my DLP. Because that's what they are using. Dish could adopt one of the pre-specs that may not work with your particular 3D TV because they're not the same. Until they come up with a solid set specification, which means you may need to buy a new TV, it's basically a crap shoot/moot point. Although they do have several levels of hardware, i.e., HDMI 1.4 and the 4k DLP projection (which Mitsubishi uses) that is in place but may not work in trickle down conversion. But until they are firm standards on the market, it is foolish for any "3rd party" vendor (DISH) to latch on to a format. It could end up being "not the one" in the end. It is way to early in the game for a group such as DISH to grab a format. If they what to broadcast something that is already 3D, I trust it may be "this image may not appear as intended".

PLUS, it is being found out that 3D may not be the best thing for the human condition. They have found may idiosyncrasies that the human body just can't assimilate to. For instance, Johnny Depp, as there are many, did not go to the opening of the last Pirates 3D premier, because he can not see 3D as it is at the moment. The situation is so early in its infancy for anyone to really jump in and go for it and expect it to last for the long run. But what with the fastly growing population of those that really want it, the process of finalizing and final standard shouldn't be long off.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:18 PM

We have seen the exact justifications given earlier for not moving quickly on HD.

All businesses have to act both tactically & strategically. Just saying channel xyz will get more audience and thus not invest in a new technology can stagnate and cost the business mindshare and finally marketshare.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:05 AM

We have seen the exact justifications given earlier for not moving quickly on HD.

All businesses have to act both tactically & strategically. Just saying channel xyz will get more audience and thus not invest in a new technology can stagnate and cost the business mindshare and finally marketshare.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 11:36 PM

Could easily make 3D VOD. Dish is passing up an added revenue source.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 03:17 AM

Could easily make 3D VOD. Dish is passing up an added revenue source.

DISH has 3D VOD on the 922 ... if one really wants 3D one can pay (revenue source) for an upgrade to a 922.

There are other upgrades to DISH's system which would be a greater revenue source and expanding 3D to other receivers.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 04:31 AM

Saw yesterday that DirecTV is dropping ESPN 3D. Not many subscribers willing to pay for it.

The jury is still out on 3D. Even the movie producers are backing away a little. The novelty has worn off. Sure, I'd buy a large screen 3D TV because the best TVs for 2D currently all include 3D capability, but I don't think I watch much, if any, 3D programming.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 04:41 AM

Saw yesterday that DirecTV is dropping ESPN 3D. Not many subscribers willing to pay for it.


Where did you see this? DIRECTV does not charge any extra for the 3D channels, you just need to have the HD access charge.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:46 AM

Where did you see this? DIRECTV does not charge any extra for the 3D channels, you just need to have the HD access charge.


You're right. My brain doesn't work well early in the morning. It was AT&T U-verse, not DirecTV. Sorry.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 10:12 AM

You're right. My brain doesn't work well early in the morning. It was AT&T U-verse, not DirecTV. Sorry.


NP. Yea, charge $10/month for one channel and then they're surprised not that many folks sign up to take it.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 12:22 PM

PBS has good OTA broadcasts that I receive, about 8 miles East of the Bay Bridge. 9.1-9.5. Hoping you can get OTA without additional stress!


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Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:42 PM

DISH has 3D VOD on the 922 ... if one really wants 3D one can pay (revenue source) for an upgrade to a 922.

There are other upgrades to DISH's system which would be a greater revenue source and expanding 3D to other receivers.


I ment more than just an occasional movie. Like hbo-3d, espn3d, etc. Then people might upgrade.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:38 PM

I ment more than just an occasional movie. Like hbo-3d, espn3d, etc. Then people might upgrade.


Right.

Not sure many people are gamers here (I'm not) - but it looks like gamers are going to 3D in a big way. We now have both NVidia and ATI supporting 3D with most of their cards. Many games are being made in 3D. That will drive the market.

The 3D projectors are coming down in price - with Optoma just announcing HD33 for just 1.5K - a 1080p DLP that does 3D.

I don't look at 3D as a gimick - no more than surround sound. It will just become part of the content and add another layer of realism.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 04:36 PM

At the moment 3D is an over hyped diverse non-established "universal" specification that is no different than the HDMI group, Betamax/VHS or Blu-ray/HDDisc fighting matches. It's the movie theaters that have a set, somewhat, format that may not translate to LCD 3D. It will to my DLP. Because that's what they are using.


Well, there are standards that everyone is using. Digital cinema have theirs, BluRay has it's standard, HDMI has a standard and satellite and cable distribution has one.

DLP in the cinema is not like a home DLP. Cinemas use full chips and polarizers, and 99% of the home DLPs use a standard called checkerboard. Nothing like each other.

Dish could adopt one of the pre-specs that may not work with your particular 3D TV because they're not the same.



No, the standard for satellite distribution (and cable) is Side By Side. It looks like a standard HD signal to all the equipment down to your receiver. ANY receiver that can output HD can output 3D. It may not be able to flag the video so the TV knows it is SbS, but that TV could be switched into 3D manually. I do it all the time.

Until they come up with a solid set specification, which means you may need to buy a new TV, it's basically a crap shoot/moot point. Although they do have several levels of hardware, i.e., HDMI 1.4 and the 4k DLP projection (which Mitsubishi uses) that is in place but may not work in trickle down conversion. But until they are firm standards on the market, it is foolish for any "3rd party" vendor (DISH) to latch on to a format.


No there is a standard. Any 3D TV made for the past year will work with any 3D source.
And what 4K is Mitsubishi using? I went to one of their demos, and they were using one chip and it was checkerboard.

It could end up being "not the one" in the end. It is way to early in the game for a group such as DISH to grab a format. If they what to broadcast something that is already 3D, I trust it may be "this image may not appear as intended".

PLUS, it is being found out that 3D may not be the best thing for the human condition. They have found may idiosyncrasies that the human body just can't assimilate to. For instance, Johnny Depp, as there are many, did not go to the opening of the last Pirates 3D premier, because he can not see 3D as it is at the moment. The situation is so early in its infancy for anyone to really jump in and go for it and expect it to last for the long run. But what with the fastly growing population of those that really want it, the process of finalizing and final standard shouldn't be long off.


There are plenty of stories of how 3D affects SOME people, but MOST of us see it just fine, and some of us even enjoy it. It just appears the haters are more vocal.

Again, they only standard that mattered was the HDMI and BluRay ones, and they have been set for over a year. I watched the World Cup last summer in side by side, and I and my friends enjoyed it.

The only thing that is killing 3D is the really bad movies that are being released. Most are awful. Most are for children. A lot are not even real 3D, but poor conversions from 2D to jump on the bandwagon. Those will give you a headache! The studios are not releasing 3D content as fast as the 2D releases. And some releases are at outrageous prices because they force you to buy 4 copies of the movie! (DVD, BluRay, 3D and the digital copy).

I wish Dish could at least get ESPN, but they are in a dispute with Disney, so no way. Discovery Networks also has a channel. And if it is a "no" for financial reasons, Panasonic is sponsoring a channel on DirecTV. Surely Charlie could get some of that money from Panasonic!

As for me, I hope to enjoy the US Open in 3D this weekend.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 11:29 PM

After being with Dish for more than 10 years, I'm now actively thinking about jumping to Directv - because of lack of 3D channels. Not just lack of 3D channels - but they aren't even paying lip service.

Every new BD player, TV, Projector, AV receiver that is being made now (i.e. anything that isn't bottom of the barrel) now supports 3D. Not sure which planet Dish execs live on.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 12:13 AM

After being with Dish for more than 10 years, I'm now actively thinking about jumping to Directv - because of lack of 3D channels. Not just lack of 3D channels - but they aren't even paying lip service.

Every new BD player, TV, Projector, AV receiver that is being made now (i.e. anything that isn't bottom of the barrel) now supports 3D. Not sure which planet Dish execs live on.


How much 3D is there on DirecTV?

I know they have ESPN3D... but is there anything else besides PPVs in 3D?

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 06:18 AM

How much 3D is there on DirecTV?

I know they have ESPN3D... but is there anything else besides PPVs in 3D?


They have the n3D channel which they partner with Panasonic on. Tons of recycled (nicer way of saying repeats) but they do throw a new one out there every now and then. They also have the occasional special, I think the US Open tennis will be there and in the past they've done some other special sports programming, US Open golf last summer was another.

There is also the 3Net channel with is a partnership of Sony, Discovery and IMAX. They used to have three new programs every Friday, Saturday and Sunday but that hasn't happened for awhile, might just be because of 'summer reruns'.

There's also an On Demand channel, they used to have about 20 programs out there, now it's down to only two, that's very disappointing. It would be nice if they could get the rights to the 3D content that HBO and Starz has on their On Demand channels, probably that's hung up with $'s somewhere.

So far all this is free as long as you have HD Access (except for the PPV's) and any HR21/H21 or newer receiver can get the 3D channels, only the HR20/H20 can't and DIRECTV will swap those out for free if needed.

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