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#21 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 01:18 PM

"In large part... the Mac marketshare by component is not large enough to attract hackers... so whether it is more secure or not, it just isn't getting attacked as often."

This has been said 23,599,000 times, and there're some grains of truth, but it doesn't account for the whole ball of wax.

"And as others have alluded to... a LOT of the hacking ends up being user error really, more than genius of the virus or malware. More times than not, the user has to actively install, activate, accept, or otherwise invoke the virus/malware for it to infiltrate his system." [Stuart V]

That's truer now for PCs than it was; they copied the Mac system of sandboxing. But some of the malware exploited what MS was doing to 'integrate' apps that a lot of folks used, also made by MS.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 01:19 PM

From what I understand writing Malware and viruses for Macs are more difficult and expensive which is why there aren't many of them...plus, it affects many less users. Even with more Macs selling, there may be an uptick of Malware but nowhere near as many as on the Windows side since writing stuff for Windows is as easy as a free download and a little creativity.


Nope, numerous script kiddie websites out there that will allow a novice pick and choose how they want their virus / malware to act and what it will do, lot of the sites will even keep score for you and hide your identity.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 02:45 PM

The best way to avoid most viruses/malware? Don't download p;)rn

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 03:37 PM

"In large part... the Mac marketshare by component is not large enough to attract hackers... so whether it is more secure or not, it just isn't getting attacked as often."

This has been said 23,599,000 times, and there're some grains of truth, but it doesn't account for the whole ball of wax.

"And as others have alluded to... a LOT of the hacking ends up being user error really, more than genius of the virus or malware. More times than not, the user has to actively install, activate, accept, or otherwise invoke the virus/malware for it to infiltrate his system." [Stuart V]

That's truer now for PCs than it was; they copied the Mac system of sandboxing. But some of the malware exploited what MS was doing to 'integrate' apps that a lot of folks used, also made by MS.


If they were more secure there would be more of them out there than there are they just would be detected and stopped easier. The fact that the volume of targeted attacks vs windows is because windows holds 90% of the market. If you're going to setup a scam system do you target the top 1% of the income level, where you would get more per scam, or the bottom 50% where you will get more successes.

It's a numbers game, and as it's been proven many times over, once people have a reason to hack something they can and will.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 04:49 PM

The fact that the volume of targeted attacks vs windows is because windows holds 90% of the market. If you're going to setup a scam system do you target the top 1% of the income level, where you would get more per scam, or the bottom 50% where you will get more successes.

It's a numbers game, and as it's been proven many times over, once people have a reason to hack something they can and will.


While number of potential targets has a bearing on the amount of effort expended to f***^^ someone's system, it's only a minor factor. The scamming part is really phishing, and yes, one would target the more affluent I'd think. Or the less educated, who are more likely to bite! What a conundrum, being in two camps!....:nono2:

Anyway, we're all fair game, and I've always liked the fact that I can d/l something with an .exe in it and simply pop it into the trash, knowing I cannot activate it even accidentally.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 06:39 PM

If they were more secure there would be more of them out there than there are they just would be detected and stopped easier. The fact that the volume of targeted attacks vs windows is because windows holds 90% of the market. If you're going to setup a scam system do you target the top 1% of the income level, where you would get more per scam, or the bottom 50% where you will get more successes.

It's a numbers game, and as it's been proven many times over, once people have a reason to hack something they can and will.


Exactly... why bother to put the effort into a Mac version of a trojan or malware or virus, when that same effort nets you a LOT more PC users to potentially exploit.

It is exactly like mass-market mailings... where you expect a low rate of return, so you attack the most users you can in one shot.

While number of potential targets has a bearing on the amount of effort expended to f***^^ someone's system, it's only a minor factor. The scamming part is really phishing, and yes, one would target the more affluent I'd think. Or the less educated, who are more likely to bite! What a conundrum, being in two camps!....:nono2:


Phishing is completely different than a virus or malware. Phishing is accomplished by a Web site that "tricks" you into giving up info OR an email sent to you asking you to click a link and give a password or something.

Phishing is generally platform independent... so Mac users are just as vulnerable as PC users... since it isn't an app on your computer... but HTML that you have to interact with and volunteer your secret compromising info.

So... a person phishing, will phish the whole ocean by default.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 08:26 PM

Exactly... why bother to put the effort into a Mac version of a trojan or malware or virus, when that same effort nets you a LOT more PC users to potentially exploit.


A lot of malware doesn't really exploit much- there's only the 'satisfaction' that your malware works.

Phishing is completely different than a virus or malware. Phishing is accomplished by a Web site that "tricks" you into giving up info OR an email sent to you asking you to click a link and give a password or something.

Phishing is generally platform independent... so Mac users are just as vulnerable as PC users... since it isn't an app on your computer... but HTML that you have to interact with and volunteer your secret compromising info.

So... a person phishing, will phish the whole ocean by default.


Not on the recent stuff which was completely Mac-centric. It was phishing combined with malware. And there was to be a payoff: garnering accounts, etc.
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