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International Cricket 2012-13


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#351 OFFLINE   sadam1

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:24 AM

dear admin why you are not mention which chanel will broadcast series in pakistan

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:35 PM

I am currently watching it on Willow TV channel on DISH. It is the raw feed from Australia but Willow is injecting the same Xoom, Metlife, WellsFargo etc ads (cutting it too close sometimes and showing deliveries just in the nick of time) but none of them are the crawlers or screen size changers. It is much better than the Star Sports feed but still not the glory days of uninterrupted coverage when it was on PPV via Directv.


Thanks for this info - despite much trepidation, I reactivated my online subscription with Willow in time for the third day of the Aus-SA test, and found much the same as you saw on the TV channel on DISH.

I agree and mourn the glory days of uninterupted raw feeds on PPV on DirecTV - but agree this was very good. I'm not sure it was truly raw feed from Australia, as I saw the Star Cricket logo a couple of times at lunch and tea breaks, and an ad for Spanish soccer on ESPN/Star when a wicket fell once. But those were the only encroachments - and so yes, the picture was clean, clear and enjoyable to watch, uninterrupted except for Wllow's own commercials between most (but not all) overs. So, much better than a couple of years ago - no Star commercials, screen crawlers, logoes in the middle of the screen, picture shrinking, or the dreaded white box with red numbers in it.

Same can be said for the India-England test match that started tonight.

As others have asked, and no-one has written a summary, I'll post details of the streaming watching experience in the next post.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:32 AM

A few have asked, and presumably others are interested - either because they don't have access to DISH or DirecTV, or don't have access (or dont want) the large "international" dish that DirecTV still uses solely for ~ 50 multicultural channels, including Willow; or do have access are but are worried about overlap now Willow holds rights to so many events in so many countries that play in the Oct-April timeframe.

So, here's how it went during the last 3 days of the Aus-SAfr test.

Subscribe at willow.tv to the monthly package. Follow their instructions to link your youtube account to your willow.tv login. If you have a google login, this will work for streaming on a computer with fully-fledged web browser. If you're hoping to using a youtube app on another device, you need to login to youtube and also create a "username" which is not your google login.

Viewing options - I have a Sony 40" HDTV with internet capability including a youtube app; a DirecTV HR23 also on the internet and with DirecTV youtube app; laptop computer and iPod touch. Unfortunately, I still have DSL internet at 2 Mbs - hopefully to change soon!

#1 choice would have been to watch via the DirecTV receiver, as this also sends its picture to other TVs in my house. However, the DirecTV youtube app doesn't give you the option to log in to your youtube account, so no way to access the live feed; although an endless array of highlights and replay videos are freely available. Fail.

#2 choice would be to watch on the TV using the built-in youtube app on the Sony. This app lets you log in to your youtube account - but despite having a "subscription" to willow listed in my youtube account, I could not find the live video feed. Again, an endless array of highlights and replay videos are freely available (whether logged in or not). Fail.

#3 choice is the ipod touch. I got the Apple iPod/iPhone/iPad 30-pin dock connector to HDMI/30-pin connector. Connect a HDMI cable directly to the TV, and your regular ipod/iPad charger cable into the other dock connector slot so your device doesn't drain its power while playing the video. If the video is already playing on the device, then you connect it to the TV, bringing the picture up on the TV was almost seamless.

On the iPod - three options for watching:
i) YouTube app. This fared the same as the Sony Youtube app - could log in, but couldn't find live feed, only highlights. So - fail.

ii) Use safari browser on iPod and go to m.youtube.com - log in to your youtube account, then go to m.youtube.com/willow. From here, the live feed could be easily accessed. Importantly, when Indian domestic games were also being played, the option to choose live feed from the other game was available.

This option also gave the best picture quality. Despite the limited resolution of the iPod, the website appeared to be streaming video in 720p. My TV recognizes it as such. Its certainly much clearer than a SD TV channel on DirecTV or even over the air. While you can tell up close the picture is being streamed, from 10-12 feet away on my sofa, it was near impossible to tell the picture was not from a HD satellite TV feed. Maybe slightly less contrast/brightness in colors on the screen, but otherwise very high picture quality. Presumably, this looks better than the Willow TV channel on DISH/DirecTV, if that is still only in SD. Perhaps this is a way to watch test matches and other non-ICC events in "almost" HD!

Only problem here related to the reliability of the stream. After a while, buffering became an issue. I don't know if this is related to my crappy DSL, or external factors. For the first hour or so each night, it was fine, but as the evening wore on and presumably more people logged in to watch (esp as it became primetime in timezones other the the east coast) the buffering issue got worse. However, tonight, the India-England game has come in completly uninterrupted now for over an hour even with my slow DSL connection (maybe more Indian fans have the TV option available rather than having to rely on streaming??)

iii) When buffering became too much of an issue, I switched to m.willow.tv, and logged in there with my willow.tv login. The streaming for iOS/android devices specifically is still done by Willow themselves. This stream is optimized for the small devices, and I could watch it here for hours without a streaming/buffering interruption. Picture looked fine on the iPod, but it was noticeably degraded when injected onto the Sony TV screen. Still, when the buffering delays got bad enough at m.youtube.com, this was a preferable alternative.

#4 choice (least desirable) was hooking the computer up to the TV. I did this before all the #3 options as I didn't have the iPod/HDMI connector the first night.

In the case of my MacBook Pro, this gave the usual endless problems of mirroring the display to the TV, getting it to use the full TV resolution rather than the lower laptop screen-size, getting the youtube info off the screen (even when in "full-screen" mode), and finally dealing with endless buffering issues that made the game unwatchable. Not sure if this is due to much greater overhead in my laptop browser - and laptop in general - compared to the iPod, or greater demand on the www.youtube.com site (rather than m.youtube.com), or some other reason. The option existed to choose a 720p or 480p feed - choosing the lower resolution made no difference in the buffering problem.


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So - iPod/iPhone with a HDMI converter, and accessing the live feed from m.youtube.com/willow, worked best - and at its best, possibly better than the Willow TV channel if this is still in SD only on DISH/DirecTV. Very clear and crisp picture that could pass for HD. Some buffering issues at times, but not sure if this is the fault of my DSL internet, or external factor.

You could presumably try variants of this with an iPad too, although its preference to use full website rather than mobile versions means results may differ. Laptop experience indicates max resolution from youtube is currently 720p, so I don't think the higher resolution of the iPad will help.

If we could access this live feed from a youtube app on the TV or other TV-connected device (DVR, DVD player, game console), this would be a very good solution.

Of course, all the above comes without the usual DVR-style features of TV watching today (easy reliable pause and rewind, record to watch later, record when you're not in the house, etc - although Willow's array of highlight reels and replays makes up for some of this)

So - some kudos to Willow for finding a way to make this an enjoyable, high-quality picture and watching experience.

Of course - you experience may vary!

Good luck!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

For the first SA vs Aus test, the willow cricket channel picture was like HD type, but for the second test, it is different and not as good as the first test
did you notice this?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

I just saw neo cricket is advertising WI vs Ban series. Are they showing in USA? I did not check yesterday. I can check today

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

SatExplorer,
Neo cricket indeed is showing WI-Ban tests live. So please update

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:04 PM

For the first SA vs Aus test, the willow cricket channel picture was like HD type, but for the second test, it is different and not as good as the first test
did you notice this?


Yes - this is a big step down.

Its SD format, relayed broadcast from Star India. There has been screen-shrinking adverts 3 or 4 times while play is in progress, Star adverts after every over that Willow hurries to cover up with its own ads, and my favorite, the white box with red numbers/letters in it appearing frequently on screen during play. So I guess we're streaming from someone's cable box in Mumbai or Bangalore!

Not *as* bad as two years ago - with ads crawls or logoes covering much of the screen - when Willow started relaying Star India broadcasts. But a big step down in quality from the first test, and big dissapointment. Esp to 4:3 format (which my TV or iPod touch then stretches to widescreen - haven't figured out how to turn that off yet)

Willow - 2 steps forward, one step back....

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

SatExplorer,
Neo cricket indeed is showing WI-Ban tests live. So please update


I thought ESPN3 was going to carry this. Why doesn't NEO just go away.

(Not that I care, other than worrying about ongoing fragmentation of cricket coverage, esp on channels that have wide distribution but are basically just a waste of space....)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

dear frinds pakistan domestic t20 cup strt dec 3 live only on ptv sports

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:33 PM

total mess...don't know what is happening. Today Neo cricket is not showing WI-Ban game, instead showing Ind-Eng match

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

total mess...don't know what is happening. Today Neo cricket is not showing WI-Ban game, instead showing Ind-Eng match

Future for cricket in USA is full of surprises isn't it u have to keep changing channels to find what you are looking for that is really crazy stuff

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

Willow cricket is also showing Ind-Eng game and stopped Aus-RSA game

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:01 PM

For the first SA vs Aus test, the willow cricket channel picture was like HD type, but for the second test, it is different and not as good as the first test
did you notice this?


Taking a look back at Page 1 of this thread, I'm guessing this change is due to the fact that the second test is being shown on ESPN in India, instead of Star Cricket which showed the first test. It seems Willow doesn't have access to the pre-broadcast feed from ESPN India, like they seem to for Star Cricket, so have to rely on streaming from someone's cable box in India!

Star Cricket is showing the India-England test, which naturally takes precedence in India. That's OK - but it shouldn't have any impact on what we see here in the US if only Willow would GET A DIRECT FEED FROM AUSTRALIA!!!!! instead of relying on relayed broadcasts from Indian TV channels. I frankly am not interested in what TV channel is showing the game in India - because I live in the US - and wish it didn't impact what we see from Willow.

Today, Willow aren't even bothering to try and cover up the ESPN India commercials - there's ads for Indian Sportcenter, English and Spanish soccer, cell-phone networks, etc etc. Its actually preferable to (and more professional than) Willow trying to insert their own ads, and a nice break from the incessant ads for Xoom and Bharat Matrimony. But it would be even better if Willow would provide A DIRECT FEED FROM AUSTRALIA!!!!! They can get a raw feed from South Africa, New Zealand and India - what's so hard about Australia? (DirecTV used to manage it, and they didn't even know what cricket was!)

According to the schedules on page 1, we'll revisit this problem for the first Aus-Sri Lanka test, but the other three remaining tests from Australia are set for Star Cricket in India, so hopefully that means improved coverage from Willow here in the US.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:05 PM

total mess...don't know what is happening. Today Neo cricket is not showing WI-Ban game, instead showing Ind-Eng match


Jeez - Willow's lawyers must be preparing their letters as we sit here and watch!!

What a waste of space that channel is. Seems they know they are desperate for live action, and are just trying to see what they can get away with, and if anyone notices, in spite of US rights agreements (ESPN3 for Bangladesh, Willow for India)

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:10 PM

Willow cricket is also showing Ind-Eng game and stopped Aus-RSA game


That was on their TV schedule at cricket.willow.tv - so expected and understandable given their primary focus on the India ex-pat community. (Another reason why I don't want to pay for DirecTV Intl dish!) I think the remainder of the Aus-SAfr play will be shown on delay after the play in India ends each day.

Here with online streaming, my feed threatened to turn into India-England for 15 seconds (I got a countdown to world feed for Ind-Eng) but then it returned to Aus-SAfr.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:23 AM

total mess...don't know what is happening. Today Neo cricket is not showing WI-Ban game, instead showing Ind-Eng match


Right at the last minute, NEO Prime purchased broadcast rights for Subcontinent and USA. However, ESPN3 still renewed the rights for broadband viewers. Bangladesh broadcasts are not digital nor HD ready yet.

Willow Cricket is still struggling as described in International Cricket 2011-12 thread. If they can't get High definition in 1080 they should go for 720. Very well lack in sponsors. I also saw those ads on major Hindi networks in North America. Monopolistic channel that destroys alternatives. Are the broadcasts perfect? I'm sure there is interference some part of this world that's causing degradation..

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:32 AM

SatExplorer.
The point here is that neo cricket is showing Ind-Eng game instead of WI-Nan game

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:42 AM

Well what I noticed so far is neo is still broadcasting ban wi game but it is dish network who is overriding the neo broadcast with direct feed from ind eng game with little to no commercial, like they used to do it when we had zee sports

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:24 PM

True, I noticed neo broadcast is few seconds early that willow cricket broadcast. Willow cricket has few seconds delay

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

I don't subscribe willow stream. I have willow cricket channel where Ind-Eng match is preferred over Aus-RSA, Can anyone please tell me if I subscribe willow stream, I will be able to watch multiple streams, means do they transmot multiple streamia internet?s v

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:50 PM

I don't subscribe willow stream. I have willow cricket channel where Ind-Eng match is preferred over Aus-RSA, Can anyone please tell me if I subscribe willow stream, I will be able to watch multiple streams, means do they transmot multiple streamia internet?s v


Yes.

I'm only a Willow online subscriber.

At youtube.com/willow and at m.willow.com (once logging in) it is possible to choose to between streams of the Aus-RSA or the Ind-Eng tests.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:31 PM

Pakistan domestic Twenty20 Cricket will also show on PTV Global from December 1-9. Early start times of several games are going on all at once. PTV Sports coverage could clash with Australia vs South Africa test from Perth. According to previous coverage from GEO Super and GEO TV. One or two games begin either 08:15 UTC (03:15 EST) or 11:00 UTC (06:00 EST). As of now the EPG guides are not updated.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:26 PM

Pakistan domestic Twenty20 Cricket will also show on PTV Global from December 1-9. Early start times of several games are going on all at once. PTV Sports coverage could clash with Australia vs South Africa test from Perth. According to previous coverage from GEO Super and GEO TV. One or two games begin either 08:15 UTC (03:15 EST) or 11:00 UTC (06:00 EST). As of now the EPG guides are not updated.


Are you saying that it will be shown in USA?

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

this is unreal neo's schedule for next just updated and they are choosing indian domestic season over BAN v WI series even India England also listed on there
check it out yourselves
neosports.tv

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:09 PM

Just got an Xbox, My ISP also supports now, well i have installed the apps i can access the other stuff but i can not play cricket replay is there any trick it stucks on "Your event is about to begin please stand by""
Please help?????????




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