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#221 OFFLINE   djzack67

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:21 PM

I think it would be an interesting addition to D
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#222 OFFLINE   JoeTheDragon

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:56 PM

The more this sports stuff fractures, the more D* might want to re-examine the whole FT HD RSN thing. The more channels there are with less compelling total packages on each, the more enticing (IMO) it will be to rob Peter to pay Paul in 3 hour chunks.

PITA to administer/maintain, no doubt, but bandwidth limitations are what they are. . .

or put stuff like Longhorns HD only on TX spot beams and wait for D-14 to move it to the main beams or have the main beam game only HD.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:00 PM

or put stuff like Longhorns HD only on TX spot beams and wait for D-14 to move it to the main beams or have the main beam game only HD.


No RSNs are on spot beams. Game only HD would be better.
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#224 OFFLINE   sigma1914

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:02 PM

No RSNs are on spot beams. Game only HD would be better.


I wouldn't mind SD full time with part time (game only) HD.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:03 PM

That predates the LHN -- like the $117M for tOSU, $99M for UM, $93M for UW, and $91M for PSU -- and $59M for Northwestern? And that is in the "model" B1G that NU scampered off too because of the "bullies" at UT. Where they share all network revenues equally, and still wind up with this disparity?

Or the $106M for UF, $89M for Auburn, $88M for UA and Tennessee both -- and $45M for Vandy? In the "oh so fair" SEC the agros are slinking off to? There are a MULTITUDE of things that drive those resource disparities, and TV revenue is at max 20% of it. For instance, in 2009, UT's $120M in revenue had $191,000 in media rights -- compared to tOSU's $16M. Ticket sales and donations are MUCH bigger, and I don't know how you level that field.

These disparities will continue, with or without a LHN.


Dude. Where do you get your data? Big Ten shares ALL TV and bowl revenue equally. Any difference is from ticket sales and other sales.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:10 PM

Dude. Where do you get your data? Big Ten shares ALL TV and bowl revenue equally. Any difference is from ticket sales and other sales.


That data is four years old.

"These revenues include generated revenue (such as proceeds from ticket sales and sponsorships) and allocated revenue (such as tuition waivers, money from student fees and direct institutional support.)"




http://blogs.orlando...l-tell-you.html

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 10:20 PM

That data is four years old.

"These revenues include generated revenue (such as proceeds from ticket sales and sponsorships) and allocated revenue (such as tuition waivers, money from student fees and direct institutional support.)"

http://blogs.orlando...l-tell-you.html


Exactly. So the reasoning is that it is okay to make it bigger? The Big Ten and the SEC, unlike what Texas has done to the Big XII tries to level as much as they can. All monies from outside the conferences are shared.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 11:46 PM

I wouldn't mind SD full time with part time (game only) HD.


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Posted 26 August 2011 - 05:38 AM

Showing 1 or 2 of the tier 3 football games and a few crappy basketball games nobody else wants to carry is not a network, this might be the least appealing RSN I have ever seen..

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:08 AM

Exactly. So the reasoning is that it is okay to make it bigger? The Big Ten and the SEC, unlike what Texas has done to the Big XII tries to level as much as they can. All monies from outside the conferences are shared.


Much like the NFL model which is somewhat successful last I checked.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 09:48 AM

Much like the NFL model which is somewhat successful last I checked.

Note that just about all NFL clubs are solidly profitable and that even the so-called "small market" teams are on a reasonably level playing field compared with teams in the New York market.

If the NFL had economics like baseball's (or what college football's has been becoming since 1984 when the NCAA lost control of the TV contracts), there's no way teams like Indianapolis, New Orleans or Green Bay could win Super Bowls.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:03 AM

Note that just about all NFL clubs are solidly profitable and that even the so-called "small market" teams are on a reasonably level playing field compared with teams in the New York market.

If the NFL had economics like baseball's (or what college football's has been becoming since 1984 when the NCAA lost control of the TV contracts), there's no way teams like Indianapolis, New Orleans or Green Bay could win Super Bowls.


Despite the FACT that 7 teams have won the last 10 Super Bowls while 8 teams have won the last World Series. And only one was won by a team from the New York market in each league.

Also, 13 total teams competed in the last 10 World Series. A New York team only twice (the Yankees). Same number competed in the Super Bowl in the same time span.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:06 AM

Despite the FACT that 7 teams have won the last 10 Super Bowls while 8 teams have won the last World Series. And only one was won by a team from the New York market in each league.

Also, 13 total teams competed in the last 10 World Series. A New York team only twice (the Yankees). Same number competed in the Super Bowl in the same time span.


People love to use NY as the big market poster boy. Boston is up there, too, and has had a lot of recent (10-15 years) success in all sports. Granted, it's not the 7.5 million homes like NY or even the 5.6 million of LA. IMO, any top 10 DMA is big market, since all are over 2 million homes.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:09 AM

Dude. Where do you get your data?


Dude, read it for yourself:


http://espn.go.com/n...nue/_/year/2008

"Media Rights" covers plenty outside cable and network TV - third tier TV, all radio, coaches shows, and more.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:11 AM

If you put the baseball teams in order by $$ payroll.

8 of the last 10 world series winners were a top 10 $$ payroll team.
0 of the last 10 world series winners were a bottom 10 $$ payroll team.

baseball is a joke.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:13 AM

Despite the FACT that 7 teams have won the last 10 Super Bowls while 8 teams have won the last World Series. And only one was won by a team from the New York market in each league.

Also, 13 total teams competed in the last 10 World Series. A New York team only twice (the Yankees). Same number competed in the Super Bowl in the same time span.

Maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that there are perennial "have nots" based on market size in MLB. There is no -- repeat, *no* -- NFL team that can not compete effectively for a championship with good moves in the front office. Economics and frequent "salary dumps" just don't happen.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:15 AM

All monies from outside the conferences are shared.

So, tOSU shares all of the revenue from its BB radio network? And how is that any different from the panty wadding over the LHN, other than in scale?

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 10:16 AM

Dude, read it for yourself:


http://espn.go.com/n...nue/_/year/2008

"Media Rights" covers plenty outside cable and network TV - third tier TV, all radio, coaches shows, and more.


But the Big 10 pools all the money they make from television, bowl pay outs, and the Big Ten Network and shares it equally.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 11:39 AM

Maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that there are perennial "have nots" based on market size in MLB. There is no -- repeat, *no* -- NFL team that can not compete effectively for a championship with good moves in the front office. Economics and frequent "salary dumps" just don't happen.


I call bull. You can compete in baseball as well. Ask the Minnesota Twins. It is still about good moves. The Yankees and Red Sox are not good perenially because of their money but because they know what they are doing. The Red Sox had money before their recent string of success and they were not great for a long period. The Mets stink.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 11:40 AM

So, tOSU shares all of the revenue from its BB radio network? And how is that any different from the panty wadding over the LHN, other than in scale?


Scale is a factor.

See, you steal a penny, it is a misdemeanor. You still a million, it is a felony.

You really think it is the same? Northwestern made more money than Notre Dame the last few years. Guess who has their own contracts?
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