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#351 OFFLINE   davidatl14

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 04:13 PM

Texas could always go independent.


They Could but they won't.

Whether we like it or not. The "16 team Mega Conferences' are just around the corner.

If you are not in one of them you will be "Out In the Cold": When the BCS or the BCS replacement is put into place. That includes you also Notre Dame.

Texas will land in the PAC 12 and the LHN will be downsized to being one of the Regional PAC Networks.
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#352 OFFLINE   dcowboy7

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 04:22 PM

There are 120 teams right now.

So just create:

4 conferences with 16 teams.
4 conferences with 14 teams.

Then the 8 conference winners can meet in an 8 team playoff....sweet.

#353 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 04:38 PM

There are 120 teams right now.

So just create:

4 conferences with 16 teams.
4 conferences with 14 teams.

Then the 8 conference winners can meet in an 8 team playoff....sweet.


Don't go being logical!

#354 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:13 PM

Don't go being logical!


What's logical about giving SEC teams equal shot as MAC teams?
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 01:19 AM

What's logical about giving SEC teams equal shot as MAC teams?


It's completely logical. The whole point of a playoff system is the champion is decided on the field NOT presupposed by opinion, computer, or coin flip.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 05:29 AM

There are 120 teams right now.

So just create:

4 conferences with 16 teams.
4 conferences with 14 teams.

Then the 8 conference winners can meet in an 8 team playoff....sweet.


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 06:09 AM

B'zact'ly!


Never happen. The Good Ol Boys network is also biased against some of the perennially weaker teams in the conferences so the system as it is set up would allow for Duke, South Carolina, or Baylor to be kept away from the title game if they ever have that 1 or 2 really good seasons.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:37 AM

It's completely logical. The whole point of a playoff system is the champion is decided on the field NOT presupposed by opinion, computer, or coin flip.


By that logic, the last place team in a division should host a playoff game in the NFL. After all, you are deciding it on the field.

Akron is not Alabama.

The current system is broken and I want a playoff but let's not get stupid.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 09:14 AM

Never happen. The Good Ol Boys network is also biased against some of the perennially weaker teams in the conferences so the system as it is set up would allow for Duke, South Carolina, or Baylor to be kept away from the title game if they ever have that 1 or 2 really good seasons.


I don't see how South Carolina fits in there.

The system as it's set up so that if a SEC, Pac-12, Big12, or Big 10 team goes undefeated they're pretty much guaranteed a national title shot. If South Carolina or Vanderbilt ran the table, I guarantee they'd be in the NC.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 09:40 AM

Absolutely SC and Vandy would. They're from the SEC.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 01:15 PM

By that logic, the last place team in a division should host a playoff game in the NFL. After all, you are deciding it on the field.

Akron is not Alabama.

The current system is broken and I want a playoff but let's not get stupid.


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Limit the top tier teams to 64, ideally 4-16 team mega Conferences. others can pound sand or play FCS..
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:12 PM

Never happen. The Good Ol Boys network is also biased against some of the perennially weaker teams in the conferences so the system as it is set up would allow for Duke, South Carolina, or Baylor to be kept away from the title game if they ever have that 1 or 2 really good seasons.


Well, Duke sucks anyway, so they won't count. The others? I can agree with you more or less. The system right now is broken, I don't think anyone can deny that.

There needs to be SOME kind of fix put in place that gets away from this flip-a-coin-who-has-the-most-money BCS crap that we're stuck with.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:51 PM

This network would be a nice addition
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:55 PM

Well, Duke sucks anyway, so they won't count. The others? I can agree with you more or less. The system right now is broken, I don't think anyone can deny that.

There needs to be SOME kind of fix put in place that gets away from this flip-a-coin-who-has-the-most-money BCS crap that we're stuck with.


Yes. A playoff with teams determined by a select committee like they do in basketball.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 08:58 PM

This network would be a nice addition


I wouldn't even consider adding that channel right now if I where DirecTV. I'd wait till next summer at the earliest, because chances are it's not even going to be around in it's current state in a year when the big 12 gets eaten alive by all the other conferences. Why over pay for it today when you will be able to get it cheap in a year? If there'd wasn't the conference issues, I'd say grab it now if possible too, but...

I just hope they pick up all the PAC channels.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:55 AM

National carriers will not want to pick this channel up no matter what the popularity of it is. If they do this they just pave the way for every other large college football or basketball program to setup the same thing.

ESPN sees the writing on the wall with the NFL, NBA, MLB networks and know that eventually they won't have game rights for those sports like they do today. College sports is where they will start to segment the market more and start to drive more money.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:51 AM

ESPN sees the writing on the wall with the NFL, NBA, MLB networks and know that eventually they won't have game rights for those sports like they do today.


You really believe that?
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:45 AM

ESPN sees the writing on the wall with the NFL, NBA, MLB networks and know that eventually they won't have game rights for those sports like they do today. College sports is where they will start to segment the market more and start to drive more money.


I disagree ,the NFL isn't going to give up the money from ESPN to put those games on the NFL network. The NFL network doesn't reach enough viewers now. TheNFL network must allow local coverage for the two teams playing on those Thursday night games. No way the NFL network gets MNF instead of ESPN.


ESPN needs the NFL to keep getting those obscene rights from cable and sat companies.

As for the NBA and MLB - as long as ratings are high enough to justify the rights paid for those games,ESPN keeps those games.

I don't see the NBA channel or the MLB channel getting enough from increased ad dollars and sub fees that they would turn down all those $$$$ ESPN pays for those games.


Also I doubt many collage commissioners are going to allow individual school networks. That would just devalue all current and future tv contracts for each sport .

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:18 AM

The Big XII is the only conference that allows networks like LHN. And an analyst on espn said he thinks no one will ever do it again. So espn is hardly thinking this is the future. The just grabbed at something they thought would work.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:21 PM

Akron is not Alabama.


As probably the only Akron Zip fan on this board, I count it as a blessing that Akron is not Alabama! ;)

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 04:50 PM

As probably the only Akron Zip fan on this board, I count it as a blessing that Akron is not Alabama! ;)


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Posted 06 September 2011 - 05:38 PM

There is a clear trend among professional teams for the local rights to move from RSNs to team owned stations. (My Rockets and Astros switch to that model very soon) Most of the team owned stations subsequently look like RSNs, making the trend hard to spot, but the profit distribution is changing radically.

The national rights are a more interesting story...as I have long suspected that the networks are running the NFL at a loss in order to promote their other programming. If ESPN is losing money on MNF, then clearly that makes more sense than the NFL keeping it on the NFLN.

But if MNF is profitable on ESPN...as soon as NFLN has enough distribution to match the ad revenue from ESPN, well, then NFLN will be able to "outbid" ESPN for those rights since it is essentially a non-profit in that scenario.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:12 PM

Every show on a network does not have to make money. ESPN feels it is a power because of what it carries and the cache it brings. Not to mention the myriad of shows that revolve around their weekly game.

As for the pro teams owning their networks, that ranges from owing them outright (Yankees and Orioles) to being partners (the rest of them). But they don't just look like RSNs, they ARE RSNs. They are just not 100% owned by Fox or Comcast or Directv, etc.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:44 PM

ESPN is paying UT for the LHN whether anyone carries it or not. So I don't see ESPN doing anything but play hardball with national cable/sat carriers. They have to recoup that money somehow, and they are in a strong negotiating position, esp. with D*, the self-claimed sports leader.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:34 PM

There is a clear trend among professional teams for the local rights to move from RSNs to team owned stations. (My Rockets and Astros switch to that model very soon) Most of the team owned stations subsequently look like RSNs, making the trend hard to spot, but the profit distribution is changing radically.

The national rights are a more interesting story...as I have long suspected that the networks are running the NFL at a loss in order to promote their other programming. If ESPN is losing money on MNF, then clearly that makes more sense than the NFL keeping it on the NFLN.

But if MNF is profitable on ESPN...as soon as NFLN has enough distribution to match the ad revenue from ESPN, well, then NFLN will be able to "outbid" ESPN for those rights since it is essentially a non-profit in that scenario.


Yeah, but those sport owned rsn s... Who really owns all of them. The lakers will have their own network next year, and it will likely find a baseball team to join them, likely the dodgers. But guess who is bankrolling it and setting it up. Twc. Most of the team owned stations are actually a joint venture with a broadcaster that allows them to take more profit sharing and have more control in the station, rather than the system now where teams don't have as much control of the stations.




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