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#426 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 06:43 PM

Of course some of the programming in religious, since it is a religious school, duh, but looking at the schedule for today and Saturday you see very little in the way of true religious programming, unless you think that a series called 'Dogs with Jobs' and Yoga workout is religious. Today there is four hours of religious programming and 2 hours of sports. On Saturday, it is only a half-hour religious and nearly 9 1/2 hours of sports.

Heck at that rate you would have to say that ABC Family is religious channel and I know damn well that they don't get that for free.

And while BYUTV could be free, and it would be in keeping with the LDS mission, we don't really know that that is true. It's just a guess.

Sure, some of the non-religious programming matches the LDS mission, like genealogy how-tos, but they are not in themselves religious. Most is just the kind of stuff that you would see from any college network.

It's a good model for Longhorn, minus the religious programming, of course, and one that UT has said that they want for the network. I just wish that they were already covering more non-sports activities like they have promised.

The only real complaint that you have is with the amount that ESPN is wanting for the network. But anyone could say the same thing about any of the niche channels that we all pay for. Trust me, I'll never watch Fox Sports Cincinnati, Logo, OWN, etc., but I couldn't really care less that they are there.


You are showing how little you know about LDS.

Ever been to the LDS visitors center in DC? They have a traditional home on display. They consider every day living topics to be part of their religion. Not everything they do is bible readings or prophet teachings. It is all religious to them. Even the sports. Or did you miss the basketball story from last year.

Now you are comparing the channel to abc family. You don't get it at all.
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Posted 11 October 2011 - 09:26 PM

Tony has it right, you are really mixing apples and oranges here. FCC rules require carriers such as DirecTV and cable companies to carry a certain low % of public interest/noncommercial/religious channels. These channels are carried for free and are nearly always carried in a block, like DirecTV has. This is how BYU TV is carried. Note the word noncommercial! This makes any comparison to the Longhorn Network null and void right off the bat. BYU TV is regulated like PBS as far as that goes. Although as I would expect, BYU is cheating the noncommercial rules more and more, check out this article:

http://www.sportsbus...orship/BYU.aspx


PBS does the same with underwriting.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 11:38 PM

I didn't ask why DirecTV didn't carry it, I know why, I asked where was the outrage about the very similar BYUTV. You're the one that brought up the cost in a way that seemed like you were worried about DirecTV's bottom line.

I don't really care how much DirecTV is paying for BYUTV or Longhorn, quite frankly it is none of my business. I pay DirecTV for a wide variety of channels at a set amount that I know will go up every year. What they have to pay for each of those channels is immaterial to me. Like most people, as long as I get the channels that I want, I really don't care.

Look, there are a lot of channels that I pay for that I never watch, but I understand that there must be someone watching them. One man's trash is another man's pleasure and all that. I just don't understand the hate when it comes to Longhorn when there is already an existing example carried nationally with BYUTV. And ESPN isn't even demanding that Longhorn be carried in the same manner. They are just wanting it carried the same way as all of the other regional sports channels.


How can you say its immaterial to you? It is extremely important. ESPN is trying to get everyone to pay a high price for this channel, that very few care about. Comcast is doing the same thing for their network carrying the blazers. It directly affects you and your pocket book. The price increases would not be nearly as hi or needed if they'd all ask for reasonable prices, instead of ungodly sums.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 11:41 PM

Of course some of the programming in religious, since it is a religious school, duh, but looking at the schedule for today and Saturday you see very little in the way of true religious programming, unless you think that a series called 'Dogs with Jobs' and Yoga workout is religious. Today there is four hours of religious programming and 2 hours of sports. On Saturday, it is only a half-hour religious and nearly 9 1/2 hours of sports.

Heck at that rate you would have to say that ABC Family is religious channel and I know damn well that they don't get that for free.

And while BYUTV could be free, and it would be in keeping with the LDS mission, we don't really know that that is true. It's just a guess.

Sure, some of the non-religious programming matches the LDS mission, like genealogy how-tos, but they are not in themselves religious. Most is just the kind of stuff that you would see from any college network.

It's a good model for Longhorn, minus the religious programming, of course, and one that UT has said that they want for the network. I just wish that they were already covering more non-sports activities like they have promised.

The only real complaint that you have is with the amount that ESPN is wanting for the network. But anyone could say the same thing about any of the niche channels that we all pay for. Trust me, I'll never watch Fox Sports Cincinnati, Logo, OWN, etc., but I couldn't really care less that they are there.


Seems like your looking at only a couple days. 9 1/2 hours? what is on during the other 14 1/2 hours? Take a look at a full week of programming, one Sunday thru a Saturday, all 24 hours. Then see how it balances out. Also, if it was truly considered a sports channel, it would be in the 600's and filled with sports ll week long like the LHN is. ESPN is sports 24/7, as I assume LHN is supposed to be as well. totally different.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:18 AM

ESPN is sports 24/7, as I assume LHN is supposed to be as well. totally different.

Actually, you're wrong. Longhorn is not suppose to be sports 24/7. OK, It will have a lot of sports, probably a vast majority, this is UT after all, but they have always said that it will also have academic and cultural programming as well (Of course, we haven't seen any of that on their schedule yet...)

And I'm not pulling the BYUTV and LHN comparison out of my a**, it has been made by others: http://www.heraldext...1cc4c002e0.html

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:31 AM

Ever been to the LDS visitors center in DC? They have a traditional home on display. They consider every day living topics to be part of their religion. Not everything they do is bible readings or prophet teachings. It is all religious to them. Even the sports. Or did you miss the basketball story from last year.

I fully acknowledged that some of their programming serves the larger LDS mission, but that doesn't make it religious programming. But some of their programming is simply 'good, wholesome' entertainment like Dogs with Jobs, The Cat from Outer Space, Yoga workout, Cooking shows. You could find these on any number of channels, both commercial and non-profit. The only thing that make BYUTV different from LHN is that BYUTV is non-profit and LHN isn't. (Well, and the fact that LHN hasn't actually started airing any non-sports programming yet.)

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 12:39 PM

Actually, you're wrong. Longhorn is not suppose to be sports 24/7. OK, It will have a lot of sports, probably a vast majority, this is UT after all, but they have always said that it will also have academic and cultural programming as well (Of course, we haven't seen any of that on their schedule yet...)

And I'm not pulling the BYUTV and LHN comparison out of my a**, it has been made by others: http://www.heraldext...1cc4c002e0.html


You misread the intent of the article. In fact, Franchuk, whom I know, wrote "BYU has a network, but is basically a not-for-profit setup based more on exposure. It won't have the commercialism of LHN."

What's similar is that both are networks and both promote a brand, a religion in one case and a university in the other. The similarity ends there.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 01:45 PM

I fully acknowledged that some of their programming serves the larger LDS mission, but that doesn't make it religious programming. But some of their programming is simply 'good, wholesome' entertainment like Dogs with Jobs, The Cat from Outer Space, Yoga workout, Cooking shows. You could find these on any number of channels, both commercial and non-profit. The only thing that make BYUTV different from LHN is that BYUTV is non-profit and LHN isn't. (Well, and the fact that LHN hasn't actually started airing any non-sports programming yet.)


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Posted 12 October 2011 - 04:04 PM

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 09:51 AM

I didn't go to UT so why should I have to pay for the Longhorn Network? If ESPN is making it a requirement that everyone has to pay then @#$%^ them as I don't care how much it costs as I don't believe we should have to pay for anymore channels we don't want or even asked for. Its because of ESPN that I'm considering cord cutting. I like most of the channels and know I won't get some of them if I cut the cord but at least I wouldn't have to pay ESPN for stuff I don't want.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 09:57 AM

I didn't go to UT so why should I have to pay for the Longhorn Network? If ESPN is making it a requirement that everyone has to pay then @#$%^ them as I don't care how much it costs as I don't believe we should have to pay for anymore channels we don't want or even asked for. Its because of ESPN that I'm considering cord cutting. I like most of the channels and know I won't get some of them if I cut the cord but at least I wouldn't have to pay ESPN for stuff I don't want.


Why do I have to pay for the channels you watch that I don't watch? It goes both ways.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:05 AM

I didn't go to UT so why should I have to pay for the Longhorn Network? If ESPN is making it a requirement that everyone has to pay then @#$%^ them as I don't care how much it costs as I don't believe we should have to pay for anymore channels we don't want or even asked for. Its because of ESPN that I'm considering cord cutting. I like most of the channels and know I won't get some of them if I cut the cord but at least I wouldn't have to pay ESPN for stuff I don't want.


You don't have to be a student or alumni of a school to follow their teams. I've been following Michigan football for most of my life but I didn't go there. So I'm more than willing to pay for ESPN and BTN to watch their games.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:33 AM

Why do I have to pay for the channels you watch that I don't watch? It goes both ways.

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Agreed!!! I would only be paying for about 10-15 channels if that were the case. ;)

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:19 AM

Agreed!!! I would only be paying for about 10-15 channels if that were the case. ;)


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Posted 13 October 2011 - 12:26 PM

And paying about $10 per channel.


But the a-la-carte defenders never mention that. Even John C. Dvorak can't get his facts right about C Band and cheap HBO. He has mentioned a few times on the TWIT show that you can get HBO for a few cents if you just authorize it for the movie or show you want to watch. It doesn't work that way. Look at C Band programming know and it's about what you'd get with a digital package with a tiny cable company.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 01:57 PM

I think the Shorthorn network is DOA.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 03:21 PM

I think the Shorthorn network is DOA.


Kinda like UT was after that shellacking your Sooners put on my boys. :lol::nono2:
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 03:56 PM

I think the Shorthorn network is DOA.


Remember, it doesn't matter if only six people in south Texas are watching....Disney still has to pay to big bucks to U.T.

That makes the last weekend's shellacking a lot easier to take! :lol:

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 08:04 PM

And paying about $10 per channel.


I realize that, but so would those who don't want to pay for ESPN, etc. They just don't realize it.

My whole point was, if those don't want to subsidize ESPN (sports channel watchers) their cost would be much greater for the "basic" stations. After all, Disney owns a LOT of the networks. They would charge more for their family of networks, not just the ESPN family.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 09:17 PM

I realize that, but so would those who don't want to pay for ESPN, etc. They just don't realize it.

My whole point was, if those don't want to subsidize ESPN (sports channel watchers) their cost would be much greater for the "basic" stations. After all, Disney owns a LOT of the networks. They would charge more for their family of networks, not just the ESPN family.

Well disney is up there as well but epsn is way out there and it used to be a pay channel.

Now in the AUS, UK,NZ, CAN, EU. Sports is a add on and not part of basic.

Now what if CBS said if want CBS, Smithsonian Channel, Flix and CBS Sports Network you must put showtime, and movie channel in basic.

and What time warner said put HBO and cinemax in basic to get CNN, TNT, TCM, Cartoon Network, Boomerang, TruTV and TBS.

But EPSN want push a RSN like longhorn network to all (at least fios some how got out of that) The big ten is rsn like basic in big ten areas and high level / sports pack out side of them (most systems).

Now your RSN should not be lumped in to any kind of espn sports pack or it can be add on that only has it as well being part of a bigger pack.

Now ESPN is pricing at the HBO / showtime level but wants to be in basic.

at least have a sports level if espn is pushy say yes it is in basic sports basic that has VS, golf, NHL, MLB, NFL, CBS sports network, USN, and so on + maybe local RSN's.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:54 PM

Remember, it doesn't matter if only six people in south Texas are watching....Disney still has to pay to big bucks to U.T.

That makes the last weekend's shellacking a lot easier to take! :lol:


Is LHN part of the first and second tier money the Big XII agreed to share?
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Posted 14 October 2011 - 05:58 AM

:blowout:

Kinda like UT was after that shellacking your Sooners put on my boys. :lol::nono2:


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Posted 14 October 2011 - 07:21 AM

Is LHN part of the first and second tier money the Big XII agreed to share?


My understanding is that it's all third tier.

Also, for what it's worth, UT Pres. Bill Powers has come out swinging. In an interview published today in the Austin paper:

Powers strongly defended the Longhorn Network, a 20-year, $300 million deal with ESPN that has led to acrimony within the Big 12. He said it has been a central tenet of the Big 12 — "in the DNA of the league" — since the conference's inception that schools were free to broadcast lower-profile sporting events that weren't locked into the league's contracts with ESPN/ABC and Fox. He mentioned that Nebraska, which left for the Big Ten, maximized such rights and had as many as three football games shown on pay-per-view in a single season.

What's more, he said, Big 12 presidents and chancellors agreed last year that each school could reserve one football game for such purposes and could negotiate with the league's media partners for additional games. His counterparts at other schools who had a different recollection are "mis-remembering" the discussion, Powers said. In any event, league members are now in firm agreement on those terms, he said.


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Posted 14 October 2011 - 05:53 PM

Well disney is up there as well but epsn is way out there and it used to be a pay channel.

Now in the AUS, UK,NZ, CAN, EU. Sports is a add on and not part of basic.

Now what if CBS said if want CBS, Smithsonian Channel, Flix and CBS Sports Network you must put showtime, and movie channel in basic.

and What time warner said put HBO and cinemax in basic to get CNN, TNT, TCM, Cartoon Network, Boomerang, TruTV and TBS.

But EPSN want push a RSN like longhorn network to all (at least fios some how got out of that) The big ten is rsn like basic in big ten areas and high level / sports pack out side of them (most systems).

Now your RSN should not be lumped in to any kind of espn sports pack or it can be add on that only has it as well being part of a bigger pack.

Now ESPN is pricing at the HBO / showtime level but wants to be in basic.

at least have a sports level if espn is pushy say yes it is in basic sports basic that has VS, golf, NHL, MLB, NFL, CBS sports network, USN, and so on + maybe local RSN's.


Not sure where you live but I've had cable/sat in my house since I was 3 or 4 (80-81) and ESPN has NEVER been a pay service in the HBO sense of the word. It was part of basic when it consisted of 33 channels.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 07:39 PM

ESPN was never a premium channel when I was growing up, back when Comcast only had about 26 channels(mid 80s). I remember Disney being a premium channel. I think Longhorn network should be in the Sports Pack. I don't think the the networks(ESPN and CBS) should be crazy amounts of money to conferences and schools(Texas), they will pass the bill down to the carriers(sat and cable co) and then we pay them... I like football as much as the next guy, but how much more is it going to make what we pay a month go up at the rate we are going? There may be one day a ESPN pack that has all the ESPN channels.
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