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#361 OFFLINE   davidatl14

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 01:15 PM

By that logic, the last place team in a division should host a playoff game in the NFL. After all, you are deciding it on the field.

Akron is not Alabama.

The current system is broken and I want a playoff but let's not get stupid.


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:12 PM

Never happen. The Good Ol Boys network is also biased against some of the perennially weaker teams in the conferences so the system as it is set up would allow for Duke, South Carolina, or Baylor to be kept away from the title game if they ever have that 1 or 2 really good seasons.


Well, Duke sucks anyway, so they won't count. The others? I can agree with you more or less. The system right now is broken, I don't think anyone can deny that.

There needs to be SOME kind of fix put in place that gets away from this flip-a-coin-who-has-the-most-money BCS crap that we're stuck with.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:51 PM

This network would be a nice addition
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:55 PM

Well, Duke sucks anyway, so they won't count. The others? I can agree with you more or less. The system right now is broken, I don't think anyone can deny that.

There needs to be SOME kind of fix put in place that gets away from this flip-a-coin-who-has-the-most-money BCS crap that we're stuck with.


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 08:58 PM

This network would be a nice addition


I wouldn't even consider adding that channel right now if I where DirecTV. I'd wait till next summer at the earliest, because chances are it's not even going to be around in it's current state in a year when the big 12 gets eaten alive by all the other conferences. Why over pay for it today when you will be able to get it cheap in a year? If there'd wasn't the conference issues, I'd say grab it now if possible too, but...

I just hope they pick up all the PAC channels.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:55 AM

National carriers will not want to pick this channel up no matter what the popularity of it is. If they do this they just pave the way for every other large college football or basketball program to setup the same thing.

ESPN sees the writing on the wall with the NFL, NBA, MLB networks and know that eventually they won't have game rights for those sports like they do today. College sports is where they will start to segment the market more and start to drive more money.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:51 AM

ESPN sees the writing on the wall with the NFL, NBA, MLB networks and know that eventually they won't have game rights for those sports like they do today.


You really believe that?
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:45 AM

ESPN sees the writing on the wall with the NFL, NBA, MLB networks and know that eventually they won't have game rights for those sports like they do today. College sports is where they will start to segment the market more and start to drive more money.


I disagree ,the NFL isn't going to give up the money from ESPN to put those games on the NFL network. The NFL network doesn't reach enough viewers now. TheNFL network must allow local coverage for the two teams playing on those Thursday night games. No way the NFL network gets MNF instead of ESPN.


ESPN needs the NFL to keep getting those obscene rights from cable and sat companies.

As for the NBA and MLB - as long as ratings are high enough to justify the rights paid for those games,ESPN keeps those games.

I don't see the NBA channel or the MLB channel getting enough from increased ad dollars and sub fees that they would turn down all those $$$$ ESPN pays for those games.


Also I doubt many collage commissioners are going to allow individual school networks. That would just devalue all current and future tv contracts for each sport .

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:18 AM

The Big XII is the only conference that allows networks like LHN. And an analyst on espn said he thinks no one will ever do it again. So espn is hardly thinking this is the future. The just grabbed at something they thought would work.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:21 PM

Akron is not Alabama.


As probably the only Akron Zip fan on this board, I count it as a blessing that Akron is not Alabama! ;)

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 04:50 PM

As probably the only Akron Zip fan on this board, I count it as a blessing that Akron is not Alabama! ;)


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Posted 06 September 2011 - 05:38 PM

There is a clear trend among professional teams for the local rights to move from RSNs to team owned stations. (My Rockets and Astros switch to that model very soon) Most of the team owned stations subsequently look like RSNs, making the trend hard to spot, but the profit distribution is changing radically.

The national rights are a more interesting story...as I have long suspected that the networks are running the NFL at a loss in order to promote their other programming. If ESPN is losing money on MNF, then clearly that makes more sense than the NFL keeping it on the NFLN.

But if MNF is profitable on ESPN...as soon as NFLN has enough distribution to match the ad revenue from ESPN, well, then NFLN will be able to "outbid" ESPN for those rights since it is essentially a non-profit in that scenario.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:12 PM

Every show on a network does not have to make money. ESPN feels it is a power because of what it carries and the cache it brings. Not to mention the myriad of shows that revolve around their weekly game.

As for the pro teams owning their networks, that ranges from owing them outright (Yankees and Orioles) to being partners (the rest of them). But they don't just look like RSNs, they ARE RSNs. They are just not 100% owned by Fox or Comcast or Directv, etc.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:44 PM

ESPN is paying UT for the LHN whether anyone carries it or not. So I don't see ESPN doing anything but play hardball with national cable/sat carriers. They have to recoup that money somehow, and they are in a strong negotiating position, esp. with D*, the self-claimed sports leader.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:34 PM

There is a clear trend among professional teams for the local rights to move from RSNs to team owned stations. (My Rockets and Astros switch to that model very soon) Most of the team owned stations subsequently look like RSNs, making the trend hard to spot, but the profit distribution is changing radically.

The national rights are a more interesting story...as I have long suspected that the networks are running the NFL at a loss in order to promote their other programming. If ESPN is losing money on MNF, then clearly that makes more sense than the NFL keeping it on the NFLN.

But if MNF is profitable on ESPN...as soon as NFLN has enough distribution to match the ad revenue from ESPN, well, then NFLN will be able to "outbid" ESPN for those rights since it is essentially a non-profit in that scenario.


Yeah, but those sport owned rsn s... Who really owns all of them. The lakers will have their own network next year, and it will likely find a baseball team to join them, likely the dodgers. But guess who is bankrolling it and setting it up. Twc. Most of the team owned stations are actually a joint venture with a broadcaster that allows them to take more profit sharing and have more control in the station, rather than the system now where teams don't have as much control of the stations.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:57 PM

Yeah, but those sport owned rsn s... Who really owns all of them. The lakers will have their own network next year, and it will likely find a baseball team to join them, likely the dodgers. But guess who is bankrolling it and setting it up. Twc. Most of the team owned stations are actually a joint venture with a broadcaster that allows them to take more profit sharing and have more control in the station, rather than the system now where teams don't have as much control of the stations.


that why the teams dumped FSN Chicago and starred CSN Chicago.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 06:48 AM

Here is an article from a lawyer "is a noted expert on business and legal issues in professional sports" She has her own website and has read the contract between Texas and ESPN. She writes about Texas options of going to PAC 12 or going independent for Forbes.






Basically, it means Texas is only contractually obligated to allow LHN to air the Annual Spring Football Game. Texas has to use “best efforts” to supply LHN with one home football game. Essentially, however, if they can’t…well, they can’t. No harm, no foul.



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Posted 07 September 2011 - 07:37 AM

Here is an article from a lawyer "is a noted expert on business and legal issues in professional sports" She has her own website and has read the contract between Texas and ESPN. She writes about Texas options of going to PAC 12 or going independent for Forbes.

http://www.forbes.co...to-join-pac-12/


The ironic thing is that "best efforts" to have a game aired on the Longhorn Network means scheduling a game that no other network (e.g., ESPN, ABC, etc.) would want to carry. Looks like a steady diet of at least once a year cupcakes (or should I say Rice cakes) in the future for Texas football.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 07:05 PM

Yeah, but those sport owned rsn s... Who really owns all of them. The lakers will have their own network next year, and it will likely find a baseball team to join them, likely the dodgers. But guess who is bankrolling it and setting it up. Twc. Most of the team owned stations are actually a joint venture with a broadcaster that allows them to take more profit sharing and have more control in the station, rather than the system now where teams don't have as much control of the stations.


And what exactly is the Longhorn Network?

The only difference is that ESPN is bankrolling it, rather than either Comcast or TWC. ESPN sees future losses to this type of setup, so they are getting into this business. It is just that they are doing it in a big way.

And while they may be RSNs from a pure definition standpoint, this network setup is extremely different than a classical RSN. They have a tremendous conflict of interest inherent in their structure. And they are more focused on building a brand than attracting loyal viewership. The "Laker Network" can't go fully national because of NBA territorial restrictions. But I bet the Lakers push that channel to cable systems in every DMA that the NBA lets them into.

Which is exactly what ESPN and Texas are doing!

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 10:51 PM

And what exactly is the Longhorn Network?

The only difference is that ESPN is bankrolling it, rather than either Comcast or TWC. ESPN sees future losses to this type of setup, so they are getting into this business. It is just that they are doing it in a big way.

And while they may be RSNs from a pure definition standpoint, this network setup is extremely different than a classical RSN. They have a tremendous conflict of interest inherent in their structure. And they are more focused on building a brand than attracting loyal viewership. The "Laker Network" can't go fully national because of NBA territorial restrictions. But I bet the Lakers push that channel to cable systems in every DMA that the NBA lets them into.

Which is exactly what ESPN and Texas are doing!


I see LHN more like BTN or the Mountain rather than a local team oriented RSN. They intend to go national and with Fios already have.

In most of the team RSNs there is not much more conflict of interest than in a traditional RSN. the announcers are typically hired by the teams regardless of who owns the station.
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