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#451 OFFLINE   adkinsjm

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 08:56 PM

Not sure where you live but I've had cable/sat in my house since I was 3 or 4 (80-81) and ESPN has NEVER been a pay service in the HBO sense of the word. It was part of basic when it consisted of 33 channels.


I think he had it reversed. Disney used to be a premium channel.

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#452 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 09:28 PM

I think he had it reversed. Disney used to be a premium channel.


I remember when Disney was premium in all but one county near me from the same cable company. The county it wasn't had two overlapping cable systems. One of the few times competition worked in the cable arena.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 01:06 PM

I remember when Disney was premium in all but one county near me from the same cable company. The county it wasn't had two overlapping cable systems. One of the few times competition worked in the cable arena.


ESPN has been in basic for a long time but they are pushing there price to the same levels that other pay channels are at.

How well will a $5-$8 EPSN pack work out? with the basic price dropping by the same $?
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 04:57 PM

Another great day for the loser's. Texas lost again, College Station is ecstatic...

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 04:59 PM

Another great day for the loser's. Texas lost again, College Station is ecstatic...


Did an Aggie type this? :lol:

A&M has 2 losses, as well.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 04:59 PM

I think he had it reversed. Disney used to be a premium channel.


Yeah I know that. It was located next to Cinemax on our cable operator at the time. Funny, when it was a premium it had stuff worth watching. Once it went to basic it started sucking.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:06 PM

ESPN has been in basic for a long time but they are pushing there price to the same levels that other pay channels are at.

How well will a $5-$8 EPSN pack work out? with the basic price dropping by the same $?


If everyone got on board to tell ESPN/ABC no then the price they want would decrease drastically. I've said this before, ESPN is one of the most important channels on cable obviously. But their view of themselves is overinflated. They probably know it but no collective group of operators will stand up to them and prove it for fear they'd lose subs to other outlets. I love sports. But honestly I can almost live without them and I think more and more people feel the same way. Of course I'm not a college fan and am not a diehard NBA lover. The only thing id really miss is MNF and the Sunday Night Baseball game. Most of their other programs are worthless to me and that especially includes SC. Anyway, an ESPN tier would reveal to ABC just how important their channels are to the public at large and I'll bet they'd get an eye opening experience if it ever happened.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:38 PM

ESPN has been in basic for a long time but they are pushing there price to the same levels that other pay channels are at.

How well will a $5-$8 EPSN pack work out? with the basic price dropping by the same $?


Espn gets that kind of money now and it is everyone. I think Satracer once said an espn pack would cost much, much more.

And what makes you think Directv or anyone would drop the price of basic. Prices are not set by cost but by supply and demand. In the case of unlimited supply like a tv channel, they are set by demand. Or by what the market will bear.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:53 PM

Espn gets that kind of money now and it is everyone. I think Satracer once said an espn pack would cost much, much more.

And what makes you think Directv or anyone would drop the price of basic. Prices are not set by cost but by supply and demand. In the case of unlimited supply like a tv channel, they are set by demand. Or by what the market will bear.


sky New Zealand dropped the price of basic when ESPN moved from basic to sports pack.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 08:07 PM

sky New Zealand dropped the price of basic when ESPN moved from basic to sports pack.


New Zealand or anywhere else is not the same as American TV in any way.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 09:08 PM

sky New Zealand dropped the price of basic when ESPN moved from basic to sports pack.


What a reach.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 10:30 PM

What a reach.


I wonder what the price of ESPN is on Pitcairn Island?

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 04:16 AM

If everyone got on board to tell ESPN/ABC no then the price they want would decrease drastically.


Can't go with that, I'm afraid. You have to remember, that ESPN has waaayyyyy overpaid for the rights to a lot of sports events, such as Monday Night Football and The University of Texas package. If it doesn't recover those costs...well, you know what happens then.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:51 AM

If it doesn't recover those costs...well, you know what happens then.


If it's like other corporations the CEO will be fired and given a multi million dollar golden parachute on the way out. Then they will find someother former CEO that was fired from their prior position and give them a much larger compensation package then the prior one who will raise the rates to cover the additional expenses;)

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:19 AM

If everyone got on board to tell ESPN/ABC no then the price they want would decrease drastically. I've said this before, ESPN is one of the most important channels on cable obviously. But their view of themselves is overinflated. They probably know it but no collective group of operators will stand up to them


well a long NBA strike is good as soon ESPN will have little no sports on it up till baseball starts up so that is the time to drop ESPN.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:26 AM

I would support D* if they decided to play hardball with the Evil Empire.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:54 AM

well a long NBA strike is good as soon ESPN will have little no sports on it up till baseball starts up so that is the time to drop ESPN.


:confused::nono: ESPN will have tons of college basketball.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 10:00 AM

:confused::nono: ESPN will have tons of college basketball.


They have already announced promotion of games from ESPNU to the main channels because if the NBA situation.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 10:03 AM

They have already announced promotion of games from ESPNU to the main channels because if the NBA situation.


Smart. College basketball is great because there's games every night. ESPN will be fine.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 11:41 AM

If it's like other corporations the CEO will be fired and given a multi million dollar golden parachute on the way out. Then they will find someother former CEO that was fired from their prior position and give them a much larger compensation package then the prior one who will raise the rates to cover the additional expenses;)


I am sooooooo with you on that!:lol:

I would support D* if they decided to play hardball with the Evil Empire.


Well, there's one.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 01:06 PM

Can't go with that, I'm afraid. You have to remember, that ESPN has waaayyyyy overpaid for the rights to a lot of sports events, such as Monday Night Football and The University of Texas package. If it doesn't recover those costs...well, you know what happens then.


I think maybe you misunderstand me. I don't mean people, I meant the sat/cable providers. If they told ABC to go f themselves they aren't taking on Longhorn and aren't joking the price up anymore so take your feed down if you want, then the price would fall. The choice would be get paid less or don't get paid at all. It isn't D*s fault they overpaid for the NFL and started a network for one university.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:43 PM

I think maybe you misunderstand me. I don't mean people, I meant the sat/cable providers. If they told ABC to go f themselves they aren't taking on Longhorn and aren't joking the price up anymore so take your feed down if you want, then the price would fall. The choice would be get paid less or don't get paid at all. It isn't D*s fault they overpaid for the NFL and started a network for one university.


Yes indeed, I can't disagree with that....however...is DirecTV really going to chuck EVERY ESPN channel while Dish still has it? I don't think so. That, of course, is the issue. All of our posturing aside, no provider can afford to permanently be without ESPN on a permanent, or even semi-permanent basis. In the satellite biz, all ESPN has to do is threaten to cut a sweetheart deal with the other provider (regardless of which one it is) and the one possibly left out in the cold will be forced to the table.

Disney has indeed spent some stupid money with ESPN over the past year. And as any business would, it wants to recover all it can....and more. It knows that no video provider can do without the ESPN channels, that would be little more than commercial suicide. But there's no way (and I'm convinced that Disney knows this) that the providers will seriously consider giving Disney what it wants for ESPN.

Indeed, both sides are on a collision course. And we're caught in the middle.

Oh, and that thought about "everyone" getting on board to deny Disney a big increase? I think...and could be wrong...that doing that is illegal. I hope I'm wrong, but don't think so.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:00 PM

Yes indeed, I can't disagree with that....however...is DirecTV really going to chuck EVERY ESPN channel while Dish still has it? I don't think so. That, of course, is the issue. All of our posturing aside, no provider can afford to permanently be without ESPN on a permanent, or even semi-permanent basis. In the satellite biz, all ESPN has to do is threaten to cut a sweetheart deal with the other provider (regardless of which one it is) and the one possibly left out in the cold will be forced to the table.

Disney has indeed spent some stupid money with ESPN over the past year. And as any business would, it wants to recover all it can....and more. It knows that no video provider can do without the ESPN channels, that would be little more than commercial suicide. But there's no way (and I'm convinced that Disney knows this) that the providers will seriously consider giving Disney what it wants for ESPN.

Indeed, both sides are on a collision course. And we're caught in the middle.

Oh, and that thought about "everyone" getting on board to deny Disney a big increase? I think...and could be wrong...that doing that is illegal. I hope I'm wrong, but don't think so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion


Yeah I know they can't all do that. I guess what I meant is with a growing frustration with all the providers who have been around for awhile and have dealt with this over and over again (so FIOS and Uverse excluded) if 1 or 2 finally reached their breaking point and stare them down not as a unit but just because they'd had enough at the same time, others might join them in staring them down knowing they weren't alone. I was not suggesting 1 big provider conference call to deal with ESPN.

Yes, I know no one will do it...yet. At some point it may really come to that. But, the provider better be careful too. If it did decide to remove the Disney affiliated channels because they cost too much, they would need to prove that by stating that since they are no longer paying for x number of channels we will now lower your bill by y. Then state THIS is how much you were paying them with your bill and it would have been more had we agreed to what they wanted. That's why I can't stand our local cable provider Brighthouse or Dish's act. For all their yanking down of popular channels, public fights, stupid domain setups for each fight, etc and saying its to hold the costs down, their bills aren't that much different than the companies who come to agreements and move on with life.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:38 PM

From what I hear, the current negotiating position from at least one provider will be that if Disney goes over a certain amount for ESPN, then that provider will demand the right to bump ESPN into a separate sports package. Actually, one big conference call to Disney MIGHT just cure this entire mess! :)

As for Dish, well, if you like their product you put up with Charlie. I know, I did for years and finally got tired of it.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:58 AM

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As for Dish, well, if you like their product you put up with Charlie. I know, I did for years and finally got tired of it.[/QUOTE']

I put up with him for 1. The one thing I miss is the superstations pack.




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