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#126 OFFLINE   mp12point7

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:35 PM

Sports programming is always of interest. Saying any network isn't of interest simply because it has one or another affilliation doesn't make any sense. While not all hours will offer programming of personal interest, many hours each week will find medium tp broad interest, whether you live in the Lone Star State or California, Vermont or Florida.

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#127 OFFLINE   George_T

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 01:00 PM

Why do those Longhorns keep calling themselves UT? Don't they know that the real UT is the University of Tennessee! ;)

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:14 PM

Why do those Longhorns keep calling themselves UT? Don't they know that the real UT is the University of Tennessee! ;)


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#129 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:20 PM

Why do those Longhorns keep calling themselves UT? Don't they know that the real UT is the University of Tennessee! ;)


What about Toledo?

Or the state of Utah?
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:42 PM

Why do those Longhorns keep calling themselves UT? Don't they know that the real UT is the University of Tennessee! ;)

who cares both are puke orange schools :lol:
the only color worse than orange is Crimson :P

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 06:14 PM

Crimson and Cream!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 06:50 PM

Crimson and Cream!!!!!!!!!!


Indiana?
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 07:48 PM

Indiana?


That's Crimson and CREAN! :)

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 09:08 AM

Why do those Longhorns keep calling themselves UT? Don't they know that the real UT is the University of Tennessee! ;)


I have the same problem with people referring to the University of Nebraska as "NU." Uh, there's already an NU in the Big Ten, and it's Northwestern University -- which, I note, actually does abbreviate to "NU."
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 09:28 AM

UT is in the running for the Director's Cup every year. Stanford wins it every year. :lol:


Ummmmm - you might want to check that. OU was 10th. Texas was 12th.

http://grfx.cstv.com...finald12011.pdf

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 09:44 AM

Well....let's remember, all of our various university affiliations aside ;), that this is simply a battle over money. Money has become the drug of choice for universities as institutions transition from an amateur to for all intents and purposes, a professional status.

We all know that NCAA football is little more than the NFL farm system, at least at the big schools. And the influx of college football money into Texas (the state) has put incredible strains on traditional rivalries that are about to remake the landscape of all college athletics.

This morning reports here in Central Texas were claiming that the UT athletic director tried four years ago to interest Texas A&M in a regional network and was turned down flat. Texas then went its own way and struck gold in the ESPN mine. As a result, funding for UT-Austin athletic programs will be far and away greater than any other university in the country over the next 10 years. A&M is just now realizing its mistake and is trying to make up for it by trying for a better deal (by NO means guaranteed) in the SEC.

Here in Austin we understand that a Time Warner deal is all but signed, as of today. Indeed, ESPN may want $.40 per sub for TLN, but I'd be stunned to see DirecTV ante up that kind of money....and the channel position ESPN is demanding (part of the basic package, a la NFL Network).

My own thoughts...by September 1 TLN will be on DirecTV and available in Texas as a RSN, available nationwide as an add-on, but NOT part of the basic package. Yes, Texas (the University) does have all the money in the world and more coming in via ESPN.

But it's not as rich as the NFL. Yet. ;)

And for those who are screaming how unfair all this is to any other university, fan base, cable company, whatever, remember, the UT-Austin administration is simply doing what any other university in the country would, if it had the chance. It secured a long-term funding stream in order to make an already rich athletic program the envy of every other athletic director in the country. Don't believe me? Just get two or three beers in your local AD and then ask him what he really thinks of The Longhorn Network. Unfortunately, most of those other universities will never have the same opportunity UT had as they are already tied into other TV deals. How did Texas get such a sweetheart deal? By promising to remain in the Big 12 when last year the conference was about to dissolve. And when Texas and perhaps three other schools wind up in whatever the Pac10/12 becomes, The Longhorn Network will remain.

It's not personal. It's just business.

It's how UT does business. It and ESPN play hardball just like any other program provider.

And it's coming....eventually....to satellite in one form or another.

(The obligatory disclaimer...I'm a UT grad, Bachelor of Journalism, 1977, but I'd like to think I can still look at this objectively.:))

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 10:57 AM

Ummmmm - you might want to check that. OU was 10th. Texas was 12th.

http://grfx.cstv.com...finald12011.pdf


Finally, OU was top 10. :rolleyes: This is the only year OU has been top 10, whereas, Texas has been in the top 10 13 times. ;)
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 11:08 AM

This thread does confirm one thing quite clearly:

Seeing how many of you cheer for their team and team colors, there is a HIGH interest in any type of college/university sports channels.
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 12:34 PM

I think I'll celebrate the opening Saturday of College Football by watching Match Game until 4, then baseball until I go to bed.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 12:48 PM

Well....let's remember, all of our various university affiliations aside ;), that this is simply a battle over money. Money has become the drug of choice for universities as institutions transition from an amateur to for all intents and purposes, a professional status.

We all know that NCAA football is little more than the NFL farm system, at least at the big schools. And the influx of college football money into Texas (the state) has put incredible strains on traditional rivalries that are about to remake the landscape of all college athletics.

This morning reports here in Central Texas were claiming that the UT athletic director tried four years ago to interest Texas A&M in a regional network and was turned down flat. Texas then went its own way and struck gold in the ESPN mine. As a result, funding for UT-Austin athletic programs will be far and away greater than any other university in the country over the next 10 years. A&M is just now realizing its mistake and is trying to make up for it by trying for a better deal (by NO means guaranteed) in the SEC.

Here in Austin we understand that a Time Warner deal is all but signed, as of today. Indeed, ESPN may want $.40 per sub for TLN, but I'd be stunned to see DirecTV ante up that kind of money....and the channel position ESPN is demanding (part of the basic package, a la NFL Network).

My own thoughts...by September 1 TLN will be on DirecTV and available in Texas as a RSN, available nationwide as an add-on, but NOT part of the basic package. Yes, Texas (the University) does have all the money in the world and more coming in via ESPN.

But it's not as rich as the NFL. Yet. ;)

And for those who are screaming how unfair all this is to any other university, fan base, cable company, whatever, remember, the UT-Austin administration is simply doing what any other university in the country would, if it had the chance. It secured a long-term funding stream in order to make an already rich athletic program the envy of every other athletic director in the country. Don't believe me? Just get two or three beers in your local AD and then ask him what he really thinks of The Longhorn Network. Unfortunately, most of those other universities will never have the same opportunity UT had as they are already tied into other TV deals. How did Texas get such a sweetheart deal? By promising to remain in the Big 12 when last year the conference was about to dissolve. And when Texas and perhaps three other schools wind up in whatever the Pac10/12 becomes, The Longhorn Network will remain.

It's not personal. It's just business.

It's how UT does business. It and ESPN play hardball just like any other program provider.

And it's coming....eventually....to satellite in one form or another.

(The obligatory disclaimer...I'm a UT grad, Bachelor of Journalism, 1977, but I'd like to think I can still look at this objectively.:))



Sorry. You are wearing burnt orange glasses.

UT bullied and played games with the Pac 10, the Big 12 and even the Big Ten to a degree. They pouted and they took advantage of a weak Big 12 trying to have their cake and eat it too. Oh, then try to circumvent recruiting rules by highlighting recruits on their network in high school games. Yup, just business. If that is just business, so is a cartel.

I sincerely hope they crash and burn. Maybe when they have another downturn in football like they did before Mack Brown....
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 02:45 PM

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In all objectivity, the Longhorns are making themselves out to be more than they actually are, but don't worry I have the same sentiment for Notre Dame. But the Big XII conference as it stood for the last decade and a half pretty much revolved around Texas, and I bet anything that there is a hefty amount of quiet resentment towards Austin. Which is the reason why I support TX A&M to the SEC, where at least that conference is not only more competitive, but has a strong sense of egalitarianism, which ironically is the reason why Colorado and Nebraska recently left.

But back to the LHN, I just do not see the mass appeal unless it somehow converts to the Big XII Network, which UT doesn't want and would rather have all to themselves. UT will end up as an independent if they still want their own network, otherwise it will dissolve before long.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 03:56 PM

This thread does confirm one thing quite clearly:

Seeing how many of you cheer for their team and team colors, there is a HIGH interest in any type of college/university sports channels.


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Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:46 PM

Finally, OU was top 10. :rolleyes: This is the only year OU has been top 10, whereas, Texas has been in the top 10 13 times. ;)


Ohio University Bobcats rule. Really looking forward to heading down to Athens to see the OU-Miami game this year on ESPN Tuesday night football.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 08:02 PM

Sorry. You are wearing burnt orange glasses.

UT bullied and played games with the Pac 10, the Big 12 and even the Big Ten to a degree. They pouted and they took advantage of a weak Big 12 trying to have their cake and eat it too. Oh, then try to circumvent recruiting rules by highlighting recruits on their network in high school games. Yup, just business. If that is just business, so is a cartel.

I sincerely hope they crash and burn. Maybe when they have another downturn in football like they did before Mack Brown....


Soooo...just what do you think the NCAA is? What do you think the entire Bowl system is? Of COURSE it's a cartel. And within a cartel, some members are, well, to quote Orwell, "more equal than others". And sir, I'm afraid that if you think any major collegiate football conference in this country operates any differently, I would suggest with no disrespect...that perhaps your glasses are rose colored.

It today's college football, money from the networks, cable and satellite runs the show. If you want to dump on a school because it's good at working the system, go right ahead. But remember, it'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

EDIT: Oh yea, the thing about the High School games was a potential time bomb. As you probably know by now, UT has agreed to not televise any High School games the first year so that the NCAA can take a look at the issue.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 08:11 PM

In all objectivity, the Longhorns are making themselves out to be more than they actually are, but don't worry I have the same sentiment for Notre Dame. But the Big XII conference as it stood for the last decade and a half pretty much revolved around Texas, and I bet anything that there is a hefty amount of quiet resentment towards Austin. Which is the reason why I support TX A&M to the SEC, where at least that conference is not only more competitive, but has a strong sense of egalitarianism, which ironically is the reason why Colorado and Nebraska recently left.

But back to the LHN, I just do not see the mass appeal unless it somehow converts to the Big XII Network, which UT doesn't want and would rather have all to themselves. UT will end up as an independent if they still want their own network, otherwise it will dissolve before long.


Quiet? Quiet? Quiet Hell!:lol: I think Tony D has demonstrated here the attitude of many folks who out and out loathe Texas. There's no doubt the so-called "Big 12" (soon to be nine) is the most unbalanced conference in the country, what with the two strongest members down south and the northern remains, well, almost non-competitive. And don't think for a moment that UT would ever become an independent. For UT, that's not where the money is, not when you can milk a conference for all it's worth. And as of this afternoon, the welcome mat was still out for UT to join the Pac 10/12.

As a matter of fact, the local talk radio guys here in Austin have taken to calling UT the "Death Star". I think Nebraskans know what that means. UT and the other Southwest Conference majors invaded the Big 8, took it over and made it their playpen. Years of great Midwestern tradition was sacrificed on the altar of television money. You know, I feel for Nebraska. I really do! I can't imagine how I would have felt had the old Southwest Conference invited in four Pac 10 teams, then had them take over with UT and A&M left to run screaming to the SEC in search of dollars. That just wasn't right. Those are good folks up there, and they deserved better.

Hey people, if you want to blame someone, don't blame UT. Look in the mirror. That's where you'll see the eyeballs that watch the games, that shop for the shirts, that fund the...the...cartel.

As for the mass appeal of The Longhorn Network, we'll have to see. Frankly, I don't want to watch women's swimming (as exciting as it can be) at 3:00 a.m. any more than anyone else.

Like everything else...if it makes money, it will succeed. If not, it will go away.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 08:22 AM

Quiet? Quiet? Quiet Hell!:lol: I think Tony D has demonstrated here the attitude of many folks who out and out loathe Texas.


Wrong. I have no dog in the hunt other than wanting to see wanton arrogance getting its come uppance.
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 11:07 AM

Wrong. I have no dog in the hunt other than wanting to see wanton arrogance getting its come uppance.


:lol:

OK, Tony. Works for me!

To quote Dizzy Dean: "It's not bragging if you can do it."

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 11:38 AM

:lol:

OK, Tony. Works for me!

To quote Dizzy Dean: "It's not bragging if you can do it."


So, whatever you can get away with is fine. Screw partnerships. Screw everyone but number 1. What about when UT was down for years and years? If that happens again, it is just fine for others to take advantage and you will be okay with that?

Go ahead. Ride high. Take what you can. Bully everyone just cause you are on top. Nice.
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 06:05 AM

I wonder if OU fans on this thread that are crying about UT/LHN realize that their school is sitting back & watching what happens with LHN because they want to start their own network within the next few years. That is why you don't see OU's administration trying to get out of the conference asap (like A&M). The Big XII is the only major conference that will allow a school specific network & you better believe OU will start one if they determine that they can make a profit on it.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 08:27 AM

I wonder if OU fans on this thread that are crying about UT/LHN realize that their school is sitting back & watching what happens with LHN because they want to start their own network within the next few years.


If you read this entire thread, you might have noticed that those of us that disagreed with the lhn as it sands right now has more to do with the limited content and the myopic nature of this. And I already stated that the Longhorns are making themselves out to be more than they actually are.

Now if lhn were to be one of those closed circuit channels that could only be broadcast on campus grounds or accessed online, I'd be okay with that.. But ESPN wanted the channel in New Mexico, Louisiana, and Oklahoma on top of Texas. If I was at a college within that 4-state target region, I would be crying foul over that as well, and I do not blame the Cable companies that refused to carry the lhn at its current asking price with only two football games and eight men's basketball games.

The Longhorns need to come back to earth and realize that they are not the Yankees, Red Sox, Cowboys, or Lakers of the NCAA. And I don't mean to give away my age, but Longhorn football has only won one national title for as long as I've been alive, or quite a bit of us for that matter. And frankly, I've never heard of the University of Texas until Roger Clemens' rookie season.

Edit: As I've previously stated, I think it is best for all parties involved if the Big XII network came about and all schools had an equal stake. But Austin didn't want it.

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