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#1 OFFLINE   Janice805

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:19 AM

I'm thinking of dropped Netflix and to start using (1-2) Direct TV 1080P PPV movies per month instead. My question is this ... with DTV's 1080P movies is the "SOUND quality" the very same as a Blu-Ray DVD or is it of a lesser quality?

P.S. I cannot remember if I asked this before so forgive me if I did, but now I'm ready to make a decision.
P.P.S. I'm assuming the picture quality is the same :)

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:27 AM

I don't think the actual bit-rates are going to be the same between a disk and what we get through the SAT feed.
Now whether this difference is enough for you to see/hear is what you should test. I'd try to compare the same movie between the two and then you'll have your answer.
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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:27 AM

It can not be same - bandwidth limited, sound is 5.1 max.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:37 AM

It all depends on your audio gear. If your gear does not decode the advanced audio tracks on a blu-ray, good chance you're using the std DD track. If that’s the case, the audio should sound the same.

FYI – Picture quality is not the same. A good blu-ray will always beat DIRECTV’s 1080P format. However, if you have a smaller TV and/or sit far from it, I doubt you’ll see a difference.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:55 AM

Good point on the audio. If the audio receiver isn't using HDMI for audio, or it doesn't support DolbyHD or DTSMA (though this last one may not matter with something like a PS3 set to bitstream), you're not getting the best audio.

No provider can provide video/audio that is equal to a properly setup Blu-Ray.

If you want the best quality, personally I'd use Redbox if one is conveniently located.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 11:33 AM

No, Blu Ray's have lossless audio, VOD does not.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 14 July 2011 - 11:34 AM

I wonder how much longer DTV would keep their rental prices the same? Or if they will start their own Netflix and you would be able to rent unlimited DTV Cinema and VOD movies and TV Shows for a monthly fee?

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:21 PM

maybe that is why Dishnetwork bought Blockbuster. If DirecTV had wanted to they could have bid on Blockbuster too, they didn't so I wouldn't expect them to add a service to compete with their PPV offerings.
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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:26 PM

I have an older Onkyo system (7.1) and the blu-ray movies have excellent sound (with the DVDs) so was wondering about DTV's sound quality. Hutchinshouse, so you're saying even the picture quality is lesser than the DVD? Dang, maybe I need to keep Netflix. I've talked with Direct TV till I'm blue in the face about coming up with a monthly plan (vs $6 x movie). Now I'm paying about $12 x month, 1 DVD at a time with Netflix. If Direct TV offered one 1080P movie a week for an additional $12 a month I'd probably buy in. But first I need to sort out the picture/sound quality issue though.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:35 PM

Why not just try a movie?
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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:42 PM

I have an older Onkyo system (7.1) and the blu-ray movies have excellent sound (with the DVDs) so was wondering about DTV's sound quality. Hutchinshouse, so you're saying even the picture quality is lesser than the DVD? Dang, maybe I need to keep Netflix. I've talked with Direct TV till I'm blue in the face about coming up with a monthly plan (vs $6 x movie). Now I'm paying about $12 x month, 1 DVD at a time with Netflix. If Direct TV offered one 1080P movie a week for an additional $12 a month I'd probably buy in. But first I need to sort out the picture/sound quality issue though.


As others have mentioned the sound quality will not be the same. BUT YOU MAY NOT EVEN NOTICE... A BluRay disc has the capacity for lossless (essentially uncompressed although it still converts to PCM which is NOT exactly the same (or as full) as DSD) audio whereas your DTV receiver is capable of Dolby Digital 5.1 as its best audio which is a relatively low bit rate audio stream.

As a listener you may or may not notice the difference unless you've golden ears and or your AV equipment through to speakers is fairly high end.

Really you just need to try one using a movie you have enjoyed on disc so you have a frame of reference.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:52 PM

As others have mentioned the sound quality will not be the same. BUT YOU MAY NOT EVEN NOTICE... A BluRay disc has the capacity for lossless (essentially uncompressed although it still converts to PCM which is NOT exactly the same (or as full) as DSD) audio whereas your DTV receiver is capable of Dolby Digital 5.1 as its best audio which is a relatively low bit rate audio stream.

As a listener you may or may not notice the difference unless you've golden ears and or your AV equipment through to speakers is fairly high end.


It also depends GREATLY on the movie and the sound mix. For instance, something like The Hangover, who is going to notice the difference between bluray sound and On Demand? However, something like LOTR, there is a big difference. It depends on how sharp the imaging is for the sound field from the source.
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Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:01 PM

I have an older Onkyo system (7.1) and the blu-ray movies have excellent sound (with the DVDs) so was wondering about DTV's sound quality. Hutchinshouse, so you're saying even the picture quality is lesser than the DVD? Dang, maybe I need to keep Netflix. I've talked with Direct TV till I'm blue in the face about coming up with a monthly plan (vs $6 x movie). Now I'm paying about $12 x month, 1 DVD at a time with Netflix. If Direct TV offered one 1080P movie a week for an additional $12 a month I'd probably buy in. But first I need to sort out the picture/sound quality issue though.


Is your Blu-Ray player connected to HDMI on your Onkyo for audio?

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:51 PM

As a listener you may or may not notice the difference unless you've golden ears and or your AV equipment through to speakers is fairly high end.


While I agree it might not be noticeable, depending upon the set-up, it doesn't take golden ears or high end equipment.

The difference should be noticeable with a $300 receiver and a sub-$1000 5.1 set up.

I have a 12 year old set of Klipsch Quintets in my living room that I paid $600 for originally and a $250 Pioneer Receiver and the difference between lossless audio on a Blu Ray and lossy audio on a DVD or D* is obvious.

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 14 July 2011 - 02:00 PM

I have an older Onkyo system (7.1) and the blu-ray movies have excellent sound (with the DVDs) so was wondering about DTV's sound quality. Hutchinshouse, so you're saying even the picture quality is lesser than the DVD? Dang, maybe I need to keep Netflix. I've talked with Direct TV till I'm blue in the face about coming up with a monthly plan (vs $6 x movie). Now I'm paying about $12 x month, 1 DVD at a time with Netflix. If Direct TV offered one 1080P movie a week for an additional $12 a month I'd probably buy in. But first I need to sort out the picture/sound quality issue though.


Not lesser than DVD, lesser than blu-ray. In general, DIRECTV 1080P is better than DVD, not as good as blu-ray.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 02:09 PM

Not lesser than DVD, lesser than blu-ray. In general, DIRECTV 1080P is much better than DVD, not as good as blu-ray.


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Posted 14 July 2011 - 02:44 PM

It is pretty easy to A/B lossless audio versus standard DD 5.1 when watching a Blu-Ray... I notice a difference and my wife (who could care less) can notice a difference.

The improved audio is the main reason I bought a Blu-Ray player. The improved PQ was nice, but not enough of a difference that I wanted to invest in the equipment. However, when I heard the lossless tracks... the decision was an easy one.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 03:13 PM

It is pretty easy to A/B lossless audio versus standard DD 5.1 when watching a Blu-Ray... I notice a difference and my wife (who could care less) can notice a difference.

The improved audio is the main reason I bought a Blu-Ray player. The improved PQ was nice, but not enough of a difference that I wanted to invest in the equipment. However, when I heard the lossless tracks... the decision was an easy one.


I agree. I think I was more amazed by the how much better the lossless audio sounded and the difference it made in the overall movie experience than I was by the improved PQ.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 03:23 PM

While I agree it might not be noticeable, depending upon the set-up, it doesn't take golden ears or high end equipment.

The difference should be noticeable with a $300 receiver and a sub-$1000 5.1 set up.

I have a 12 year old set of Klipsch Quintets in my living room that I paid $600 for originally and a $250 Pioneer Receiver and the difference between lossless audio on a Blu Ray and lossy audio on a DVD or D* is obvious.


On a direct toggle between the 2 yes its demonstrably different but upon separate playings not nearly so obvious. Eventually you kind of go "seems like something isn't quite right" check the audio track and then correct:grin:

To me there is a *big* difference, to my wife none... It just depends, heck I can even hear the difference between full rate standard DTS and normal high bit rate Dolby digital on my 2nd generation Yamaha sound projector.

Really up to the listener's perspective and "eye" or in this case "ear" for detail.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 03:30 PM

Fixed that for you. ;)


That’s debatable. Via my Oppo BDP-83, I have a few DVDs (upconverted to 1080/24p) that will give DIRECTV’s 1080p a run for their money.

Let me break it down a little further:
DIRECTV 1080p is much better than a DVD on a STD DVD player.
DIRECTV 1080p is better than a DVD on an Oppo player.

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