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#41 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:04 AM

Dude. You have to go way back there to find an example?


Although it isn't a channel I would miss, he does have a valid point. DirecTV, just like ANY OTHER provider, has dropped channels. Some have been dropped and then regained (such as Versus), others have been dropped permanently (such as G4).

It was less then a year ago by the way, the loss of G4.
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#42 OFFLINE   BattleScott

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:12 AM

The point is, DirecTV retains numerous channels each year while dropping very few. The grass is greener right where we are in this case.


I think a statement like that needs some supporting data.
To my knowledge, ESPN3D is the first channel AT&T has permanently dropped since they came online here more than 3 years ago.

Given the current disparity in the basic HD lineups, I think it depends on what sort of programming your looking for. If sports is your bag, then sure the grass is a little greener, but in terms of basic HD channels, DirecTV has one of the worst lawns on the block.
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#43 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:13 AM

You're not alone there.


I don't think many people are running out to get 3D TV's for the 3D. I do however believe, that 3D will become a "standard feature" on all TV's within the next 2 years, with the exception maybe of the models cheaper then $500 or so. Just like most decent TV's now come with a USB port to play video from a harddrive, have built-in ethernet ports, built-in dolby surround, etc.... you buy a new TV because you happen to need a new TV, and it just happens to come with 3D as well. It's simply one of those features that doesn't cost a LOT extra (in the long run, mass production).

Regarding AT&T, even if you happen to have a TV that has 3D... I don't see people spending $10 a month just to have the 1 3D channel U-verse used to carry. It's one of those things that if you have a 3D TV, you don't want to spend $10 on HD, PLUS another $10 for 3D. It should be rolled into the HD access, like DirecTV. (where you can forego on the $10 a month with auto-bill-pay, so it essentially becomes "free".)

With regards to 3D, I did look on the DirecTV site, and just happen to notice this:

"Is DIRECTV working with programmers to develop new 3D content?

Yes, DIRECTV is currently working with a number of studios and programmers to develop additional 3D programming that will debut in 2011."

So we can expect more 3D before the end of the year.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:24 AM

I think a statement like that needs some supporting data.


What type of data would you like to see? We already know how many retrans deals they complete compared to how many channels they drop.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:43 AM

It really is not taking off very quickly, is it?


3D won't last 4 years.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:01 PM

The point is, DirecTV retains numerous channels each year while dropping very few.

Every provider retains far more channels than they drop.

The grass is greener right where we are in this case.

In the time U-verse has been around, DirecTV has dropped the same number of channels U-verse has. Although the U-verse customers who lost the channel they subscribed to saw their bill go down $10. When DirecTV dropped G4, nobody's bill went down.

The grass certainly isn't any greener on DirecTV's side.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:34 PM

G4 shot themselves in the foot, their efforts to rally their "loyal" viewers failed because whatever loyal viewers they once had already stopped watching when they fired most of the tech tv personalities and replaced video game and tech programming with "Cops 2.0"

The channel is going under anyway since it's likely going to be purchased by UFC, which will bring it back to D*.

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Trio -> A few months later NBC Universal pulled the plug and used the transponder space to launch Sleuth. And by the time D* dropped the channel NBC Universal really didn't know what they were going to do with it so they didn't renew the contract. (It was originally the American outlet for CBC programming, but by then it was just random cancelled shows from the NBC Universal library)

As for ESPN 3D, AT&T picked the worst time to drop the channel. The X Games, upcoming College Football, etc. Most of the summer is really the slow season for ESPN, it's late summer and fall when the coverage picks up.


Maybe they looked at the subscription pattern and found that most people paying for it only had it for a short period of time rather than for the long term.

IOWs sub for a particular sport or event and then drop it.

Look at it this way, for all those calling for Ala Carte, here was a Ala carte channel that failed. If it were not Ala Carte and was part of a sports channels bundle it would most likely still be on.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:36 PM

Truer words have never been spoken, at least concerning 3D


Yes, the pros and cons to each tech are clear now. One is clearly better than the other. Even those within the industry are calling LG out on it.

Keeping channels instead of dropping them is a good thing and something DirecTV has been very successful at.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:57 PM

The point is, DirecTV retains numerous channels each year while dropping very few. The grass is greener right where we are in this case.


What type of data would you like to see? We already know how many retrans deals they complete compared to how many channels they drop.


The second part of the original statement "the grass is greener..." means that directv's performance in "retention vs. drops" is better than all the other providers. I would just like to see some data, total drops per year by carrier for a time period, etc. to support that. It may very well be true, but I have been carefully watching U-Verse over the last 3 years in this area and ESPN3D is the only channel I know of that they have dropped altogether.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 01:09 PM

The second part of the original statement "the grass is greener..." means that directv's performance in "retention vs. drops" is better than all the other providers. I would just like to see some data, total drops per year by carrier for a time period, etc. to support that. It may very well be true, but I have been carefully watching U-Verse over the last 3 years in this area and ESPN3D is the only channel I know of that they have dropped altogether.


You need me to point out why the grass is greener with DirecTV when compared to U-Verse? Yikes...
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 01:37 PM

You need me to point out why the grass is greener with DirecTV when compared to U-Verse? Yikes...


You are stating that DirecTV has a better track record with respect to dropping HD channels than UVerse and I would just like to understand what that claim is based on.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:37 PM

Yes, the pros and cons to each tech are clear now. One is clearly better than the other. Even those within the industry are calling LG out on it.

Keeping channels instead of dropping them is a good thing and something DirecTV has been very successful at.


"within the industry" = Competitors :lol:

I hope you didn't expect the competitors to congratulate the opposition. :rolleyes:

FYI - LG is not the only passive manufacturer, just the best. ;)

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:09 PM

"within the industry" = Competitors :lol:

I hope you didn't expect the competitors to congratulate the opposition. :rolleyes:

FYI - LG is not the only passive manufacturer, just the best. ;)


I was referring to this: http://gizmodo.com/5...nsult-lgs-3dtvs

I'm not sure I would label LG as the best. It would be pretty embarrassing to be the best at doing something poorly.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:25 PM

I think you mean this article: http://gizmodo.com/5...nd-passive-3dtv

After a trial of active shutter TVs, LG's obviously persisting with passive 3DTV over the more superior 3D format which is what Samsung and the other manufacturers have rightly adopted, a move which caused Samsung to brand LG "stupid ****s" when referring to their 3DTVs in April.


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:06 PM

"within the industry" = Competitors :lol:

I hope you didn't expect the competitors to congratulate the opposition. :rolleyes:

FYI - LG is not the only passive manufacturer, just the best. ;)


I was referring to this: http://gizmodo.com/5...nsult-lgs-3dtvs

I'm not sure I would label LG as the best. It would be pretty embarrassing to be the best at doing something poorly.

Eh. I'll just say this...I don't own a 3D set, and I have no plans to get one in the near future. It still seems a bit gimmicky to me and there just isn't that much content. But I've seen every variant of 3D at CES over the years. Obviously glasses-less is the worst, but that's still in its infancy. This past year, LG demoed a passive "84" Ultra Definition 3D TV" and it was by far the best/cleanest looking 3D I've ever seen, and their other passive sets looked good as well (though not as good as that one). But that's just me.

Keeping channels instead of dropping them is a good thing and something DirecTV has been very successful at.

As far as I'm concerned, for all intents and purposes, it's a matter of subtraction by omission. No, DirecTV may not have dropped that many channels, but not having them in HD is just about the same to me. I don't watch AMC or BBCA on DirecTV because they're not in HD, much like I didn't watch G4 much when they had the channel. I'm not going to watch D*'s god-awful SD, and there are many other ways to get content in HD. They could remove those SD channels today and I wouldn't care.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 10:27 PM

What is permanent?

The provider will usually mention why they're dropping the channel. If it's a contract issue that is ongoing, they'll say that, and everyone expects it to eventually be worked out. In the cases of ESPN3D and G4, the reasoning was low demand. Totally different.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:31 PM

The provider will usually mention why they're dropping the channel. If it's a contract issue that is ongoing, they'll say that, and everyone expects it to eventually be worked out. In the cases of ESPN3D and G4, the reasoning was low demand. Totally different.


The issue with ESPN3D was ultimately cost.
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#58 OFFLINE   Jeremy W

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:59 PM

The issue with ESPN3D was ultimately cost.

Right, since DirecTV is pushing 3D harder than any other provider, we can't say anything that might indicate there isn't a huge demand for 3D.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 12:30 AM

U-Verse does have free Starz HD 3d on demand. Cant find that on my directv hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 05:57 AM

What is permanent? Who is to say G4 doesn't come back on D* in the next year. U-Verse has dropped Food Network, Cooking Channel, HGTV, Hallmark Channel, Hallmark Movie Channel, DIY, etc in the last 24 months....they added them back. Channels come and go and there's nothing to suggest when some of the same channels cycle off their contract on AT&T that D* let go won't happen with others as well.


How does that make the grass "Greener" at DirecTV? That sounds like "they have the same shade of grass". To make a statement that one is better than the other in a very specific area, I think there should just be some data to back it up.
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