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#61 OFFLINE   Hutchinshouse

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 08:51 AM

The issue with ESPN3D was ultimately cost.


Right, since DirecTV is pushing 3D harder than any other provider, we can't say anything that might indicate there isn't a huge demand for 3D.


I agree that it all comes down to demand. If AT&T was making fat bank on ESPN 3D, they'd still have it.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:26 AM

As for DIRECTV pushing 3D, I'm sure they have solid marketing data. I'll admit that 3D doesn't interest me a whole lot but there has to be a good reason.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:34 AM

As for DIRECTV pushing 3D, I'm sure they have solid marketing data. I'll admit that 3D doesn't interest me a whole lot but there has to be a good reason.


I don't know that they have solid data other than thinking the home entertainment mfgs are pushing the heck out of 3D and investing lots of money to try to ensure that it succeeds this time after all the previous failures.

I'm with you on not being all that interested, especially for anything in the home that requires glasses of any sort. And then there's the problem that 3D really doesn't add anything compelling to all too much of the movies or scripted tv shows.

But what are they to do? What else can they do to a TV to make us want to buy that next best thing?

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:37 AM

Good lord. Seriously? Are we listening to this nonsense? The facts are that Satelliteracer DOES know what he is talking about and Jeremy DOES NOT. If Sat says it is about cost, end of discussion, it is about cost.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:42 AM

As for DIRECTV pushing 3D, I'm sure they have solid marketing data. I'll admit that 3D doesn't interest me a whole lot but there has to be a good reason.

Honestly, I think it was mostly a gamble on DirecTV's part. Even though they are the clear 3D leader, they don't have that much invested in it. Even their exclusive n3D channel is partially paid for by Panasonic.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:45 AM

Good lord. Seriously? Are we listening to this nonsense? The facts are that Satelliteracer DOES know what he is talking about and Jeremy DOES NOT. If Sat says it is about cost, end of discussion, it is about cost.


Dude, it all comes down to demand. The cost for ST is very high. However, DIRECTV is making fat bank with ST. If AT&T had high demand for ESPN 3D, they’d still have it. Simply as that. Demand trumps costs. ST is the perfect example.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:47 AM

If Sat says it is about cost, end of discussion, it is about cost.

So now a DirecTV employee is the final authority on U-verse as well? [redacted]

Edited by Tom Robertson, 04 August 2011 - 10:08 AM.


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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:56 AM

You are stating that DirecTV has a better track record with respect to dropping HD channels than UVerse and I would just like to understand what that claim is based on.


Since U-Verse has only been operating for 3 years, any comparison with years prior to 2007 would not really be fair. As far as I recall, (but I could be wrong), DirecTV has dropped 1 station since then, which is G4. They also had several retransmission agreement negotiations that cause e.g. Versus to be not available for 6 months (just like HGTV and Food Network were dropped from U-verse for almost a month because of negotiations). With the dropping of ESPN 3D, the count for dropped channels is 1 versus 1 since 2007.

As far as "number of stations carried", U-verse might beat DirecTV.... if you don't count NFL, NHL, MLS, NASCAR and NBA. And 2011 is the first year they actually carried MLB Extra Innings.

U-Verse has much, much worse issues how ever: The picture quality is absolutely horrible, you can only have 3 HD streams (and 1 SD) to your house, which means if you are recording 2 HD shows in the living room, only ONE other TV in your house can actually watch HD. And if you also have U-verse internet..... your available bandwidth for internet applications will go down when you watch HD stations. Yeah that sort of depends on what Internet you have, but if you have 24/3 internet like me, you would only be able to watch (or record) ONE SINGLE HD station (on the maximum 32/5 profile) before it starts eating away on your internet bandwidth.

Plus, their packaging system is a straight ripoff. I have been an HBO fan since the Sex and the City days when I first subscribed to it, and I also am a big baseball fan. If I want the MLB Network, I must buy U300 (and thus pay for Showtime, but not getting HBO), and if I want to add HBO to that.... it is extra, I can't replace Showtime with HBO. Sure, I can get U450, which by the way is also the only way of getting NHL network, my second big sports, but then I pay for Starz, Cinemax I don't necesarily want. Getting MLB Network AND HBO, would have cost me about $20 more with U-verse then with DirecTV, and the difference in other channels is just not worth that much more a month.

As far as technology goes....the system they use was already outdated when they started implementing it in 2007. But their investors were/are happy, as they didn't have to invest in fiber.

I much rather watch 100 HD stations in perfectly clear quality on all TV's in the house, then have a 120 HD stations and be limited to sub-par quality, and be limited to how many TV's I can actually watch those HD stations on.

No thanks. I have U-Verse voice (2 lines), U-Verse Internet..... and DirecTV. Best combo I have had so far with Internet and Television services. U-Verse television with amateurHD is not entering my house.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:59 AM

U-Verse has much, much worse issues how ever: The picture quality is absolutely horrible

All of your other knocks against U-verse are fair, but this one is not. Their HD picture quality is not at DirecTV's level, but to call it "absolutely horrible" is totally inaccurate. It's perfectly watchable.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:59 AM

As for DIRECTV pushing 3D, I'm sure they have solid marketing data.


They don't charge $10 extra for it, DirecTV just rolls 3D access into the HD access, which you can get for free with autobillpay, or is $10 if you don't like autobillpay.

Charging $10 a month extra for 1 station was their biggest mistake. I am willing to bet most 3DTV owners that also had U-Verse don't subscribe to it, where as with DirecTV 3D gets way more visability because it is "free" if you have HD.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 10:01 AM

Charging $10 a month extra for 1 station was their biggest mistake.

I bet they knew exactly what they were doing. It was more of a "what the hell, let's throw it out there and see what happens" than an actual legitimate belief that they'd have people paying the "3D Technology Fee" in droves. AT&T obviously doesn't believe in 3D, and didn't want to make any real commitment to it.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 10:04 AM

The issue with ESPN3D was ultimately cost.


Right, since DirecTV is pushing 3D harder than any other provider, we can't say anything that might indicate there isn't a huge demand for 3D.


The two statements are not mutually exclusive. Ultimately it is the cost vs. value. More watchers, more value.

And there is opportunity cost. Uverse might have decided their equipment costs can be better utilized on a channel with higher margin (which doesn't necessarily mean more viewers, just more money.) :)

Or ESPN might have promised certain viewership for the cost they charged.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 10:15 AM

All of your other knocks against U-verse are fair, but this one is not. Their HD picture quality is not at DirecTV's level, but to call it "absolutely horrible" is totally inaccurate. It's perfectly watchable.


When I bought my house in October 2010, the previous owner had U-Verse.... and I watched it on his TV. He also had an DirecTV dish on his roof, and he had actually just switched to U-Verse 3 months prior to selling......and then he got hit with a divorce, and needed to sell. I saw the picture quality on his TV (a samsung HD tv, slightly different model then mine), and it was worse then Time Warner Cable, which is what I had at the time. DirecTV's quality is much better then TWC.

Granted, there was a baseball game on when I watched it.... and sports with lots of movement and camera-action might simply proved to be too much for the 5.7 Mbps U-verse calls HD, as the pixellation was horrible. And that is why I call it horrible.

I am not alone with my opinion. When buying the house, I did a lot of asking around, and I had narrowed down my choices to U-Verse and DirecTV, because both of those offered whole home DVR, which Dish did not.... and I wanted to get rid of TWC. Both my realtor and the selling realtor tried U-Verse, and dumped it within a month. One went to DirecTV, the other went back to TWC where he came from. Both cited picture quality as the biggest problem with it. And after I saw it myself watching baseball on U-verse, the decision was pretty easy to make: DirecTV.

AT&T should have gone fiber from the get-go like Verizon FIOS.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 10:43 AM

AT&T should have gone fiber from the get-go like Verizon FIOS.

Can't disagree there. But on the flip side, Verizon should have gone with an IPTV architecture like AT&T did. With the entire fiber dedicated to IP, instead of their current ridiculous RF-over-fiber setup for TV, they'd have an unmatched network.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 10:44 AM

With the dropping of ESPN 3D, the count for dropped channels is 1 versus 1 since 2007.


Thanks for the data, that proves the intial statement was false and that the grass is simply the same shade in both places.

The rest of the post was irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 11:25 AM

Thanks for the data, that proves the intial statement was false and that the grass is simply the same shade in both places.

The rest of the post was irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


I was typing the response below in the closed thread, but I wanted you to see this...It's in regards to you looking to switch and basing it on HD.


BattleScott...If I were you, then I'd switch. Some advice I heard/read about buying electronics really applies here. Never buy a product based on possible future upgraded features, but buy it for what it does. In this case, don't stick with a provider with hopes channels will be added, rather, find who has what you want.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 11:39 AM

I was typing the response below in the closed thread, but I wanted you to see this...It's in regards to you looking to switch and basing it on HD.


BattleScott...If I were you, then I'd switch. Some advice I heard/read about buying electronics really applies here. Never buy a product based on possible future upgraded features, but buy it for what it does. In this case, don't stick with a provider with hopes channels will be added, rather, find who has what you want.


This is not really the thread for this, but, if it were simply about HD channels then I already would have switched. Right now there are three main issues keeping me from pulling the trigger. One is that I am still under committment for several more months. I know that AT&T is offering rebates that I could use to offset the ETF, but then it is still money that would have been mine. The other is the softer HD Image on UVerse. My inner cheap-skate is currently fighting a battle with my inner HD-Snob. The third issue is the quality of the DVRs. UVerse DVRS are currently far superior to DirecTVs in every aspect but storage capacity. With the newer 65HR units though, that gap has narrowed considerably. In just a few months, we are rumored to be getting a new HD UI that is promising leaps in performance over the current version. By that time my committment will be to the point where the ETF will be less painful. If that new UI hits on all cylinders and brings the DVRs up to or beyond the perfromance of the UVerse units, there is a high likelyhood I will stay. If it is released and the performance is not as it has been touted, or there are signs that it will be as buggy as the current models, then I will very likely make the switch.
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 05:52 PM

Take away one 3D channel, add 5 more HD channels:

The new channels include:

FOX Soccer HD, FOX Sports Arizona HD, fuse HD, GolTV HD, and Nat Geo WILD HD with qualifying HD packages. With more than 170 HD channels, U-verse TV has more HD channels than anyone.**
Spanish-language channel Nat Geo Mundo and Utilisima, available for U200 Latino and Paquete Español subscribers.
ENCORE ESPAÑOL, available in the U300 package and above.
Aapka Colors, India’s general entertainment channel, bringing viewers a combination of fiction, non-fiction and Bollywood programming. Add to any U-verse TV package for $15 a month.
MTV Arabia, available soon for U-verse TV customers, blends pop music from the Middle East and North Africa with classic and new MTV programs, with Arabic subtitles. Add to any U-verse TV package for $5 a month.
MOVIEPLEX, part of the Starz Movie Package offering, available in the U300 package and above.


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