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Persuit of perfection...Allignment story with most likely stupid question.


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#1 OFFLINE   liltalkm

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:54 AM

In my ridiculous pursuit of perfection...Yeah, I'm a little crazy.

While on the roof removing my old antenna I had not used in ages for local's, my ladder fell off clipping the dish and breaking the east west dithering tool.

So I purchased a new dish and installed it myself. (retailer did not have my legacy LNB in stock at the time, they only had a single line SWM and I have a SWM 16)

Dish is plumb and I used a H25 for alignment. I had no problem finding 101/119 and getting them peaked (we all know the drill :) ). Then I moved on to getting 99c, 103ca and 103cb fine tuned and was very successful getting everything in the 90's except for a few transponders on 99c and 103cb reading in the mid to low 80's.

Well the new LNB came in yesterday, so I hooked it up. I now do not have a single transponder below 94-95 on any of the birds making no tweaks to the dish.

Of course, I was very proud of myself knowing I nailed my alignment.

But here is the questions...

What is considered perfection? Are 98-100's across the board possible? Would I only be feeding my ego by trying to do any better? I know I can be pretty anal about this type of stuff. Don't even get me started on WiFi signals in the house! :rolleyes:

My signals are...

101

1-8 97 98 98 0 97 99 97 100
9-16 96 99 97 95 96 100 97 100
17-24 97 0 98 100 95 100 97 100
25-32 96 100 95 95 97 99 96 100

110

1-8 NA NA NA NA NA NA NA 97
9-16 NA 97 NA 97 NA NA NA NA

119

17-24 NA NA NA NA NA 97 99 99
25-32 0 99 99 98 0 100 0 100

99c

1-8 95 95 95 95 95 94 95 96
9-16 95 95 95 95 95 95 NA NA

103ca

1-8 NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA
9-16 97 95 96 95 95 95 95 97
17-24 95 95 96 97 95 95 96 98

103cb

1-8 97 96 95 95 96 96 96 95
9-16 95 95 95 95 96 96 NA NA
17-24 NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA


I know that anything greater would server no real purpose, other than trying to see if I could do it.

Maybe I need to go talk to someone about my obsessiveness. :D

Someone talk me off the ladder!

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#2 OFFLINE   veryoldschool

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:09 PM

Get down off the ladder and go grab a beer.
What's you're reading are bit-error rates and it's very unlikely to get 100% everywhere.
Should you use a RF power meter, that measures true power, you would have had the beer hours ago. :lol:
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:11 PM

I'm with VOS here. Those numbers are phenomenal and far better than mine... and I've never experienced any rain fade, ever.
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:14 PM

I'm with VOS here. Those numbers are phenomenal and far better than mine... and I've never experienced any rain fade, ever.

yeah, well... you don't live in Coral Springs, Fl. either :lol:
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:34 PM

yeah, well... you don't live in Coral Springs, Fl. either :lol:


You got that right VOS!

Thanks for the advice guys! I plan on avoiding the dish and enjoying the programming, beer included.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:18 PM

I'm with VOS here. Those numbers are phenomenal and far better than mine... and I've never experienced any rain fade, ever.


That's because you live in Southern California ;)
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 08:55 PM

All the satellites are located over texas i think correct?

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 09:02 PM

All the satellites are located over texas i think correct?


Actually over the equator. Generally "south" of Texas :)
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 09:09 PM

All the satellites are located over texas i think correct?

There all located over the equator to be in Geosynchronous orbit.

99/101/103 will be due south in parts of Texas though.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:38 AM

In my ridiculous pursuit of perfection...Yeah, I'm a little crazy.

While on the roof removing my old antenna I had not used in ages for local's, my ladder fell off clipping the dish and breaking the east west dithering tool.

So I purchased a new dish and installed it myself. (retailer did not have my legacy LNB in stock at the time, they only had a single line SWM and I have a SWM 16)

Dish is plumb and I used a H25 for alignment. I had no problem finding 101/119 and getting them peaked (we all know the drill :) ). Then I moved on to getting 99c, 103ca and 103cb fine tuned and was very successful getting everything in the 90's except for a few transponders on 99c and 103cb reading in the mid to low 80's.

Well the new LNB came in yesterday, so I hooked it up. I now do not have a single transponder below 94-95 on any of the birds making no tweaks to the dish.

Of course, I was very proud of myself knowing I nailed my alignment.

But here is the questions...

What is considered perfection? Are 98-100's across the board possible? Would I only be feeding my ego by trying to do any better? I know I can be pretty anal about this type of stuff. Don't even get me started on WiFi signals in the house! :rolleyes:

My signals are...

101

1-8 97 98 98 0 97 99 97 100
9-16 96 99 97 95 96 100 97 100
17-24 97 0 98 100 95 100 97 100
25-32 96 100 95 95 97 99 96 100

110

1-8 NA NA NA NA NA NA NA 97
9-16 NA 97 NA 97 NA NA NA NA

119

17-24 NA NA NA NA NA 97 99 99
25-32 0 99 99 98 0 100 0 100

99c

1-8 95 95 95 95 95 94 95 96
9-16 95 95 95 95 95 95 NA NA

103ca

1-8 NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA
9-16 97 95 96 95 95 95 95 97
17-24 95 95 96 97 95 95 96 98

103cb

1-8 97 96 95 95 96 96 96 95
9-16 95 95 95 95 96 96 NA NA
17-24 NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA


I know that anything greater would server no real purpose, other than trying to see if I could do it.

Maybe I need to go talk to someone about my obsessiveness. :D

Someone talk me off the ladder!


Icebox!

Gotta check the icebox. While you are up that ladder the light goes on in the icebox. Your tuning is fine but the icebox light is blinking on inside there.

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 12:51 PM

Actually over the equator. Generally "south" of Texas :)


Been there,

Everything is generally north, south, east or west of Texas. Not everybody can be born in Texas but the best of us are expected to get there as soon as they can.

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 12:54 PM

Not everybody can be born in Texas but the best of us are expected to get there as soon as they can.

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:11 PM

Icebox!

Gotta check the icebox. While you are up that ladder the light goes on in the icebox. Your tuning is fine but the icebox light is blinking on inside there.

Joe


ROFLMAO!


And guess what just happened to me....

RAIN FADE!!

I watched it go out on the 119, then the 110 and the 101! :nono:

Ladder is calling me, but I am doing my best to resist.

I wanna bigger dish!

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:27 PM

ROFLMAO!


And guess what just happened to me....

RAIN FADE!!

I watched it go out on the 119, then the 110 and the 101! :nono:

Ladder is calling me, but I am doing my best to resist.

I wanna bigger dish!


If it is an important program you need to see live, the SD signals punch through the heavy clouds much better.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:38 PM

ROFLMAO!


And guess what just happened to me....

RAIN FADE!!

I watched it go out on the 119, then the 110 and the 101! :nono:

Ladder is calling me, but I am doing my best to resist.

I wanna bigger dish!

Considering how much bigger you'd need to have much effect, you might get "more bang", by looking at your splitter/cable losses and see if you can reduce them.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:39 PM

If it is an important program you need to see live, the SD signals punch through the heavy clouds much better.

Losing signals off 119, 110, and 101, sound like changing to SD won't help. :nono:
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:42 PM

If it is an important program you need to see live, the SD signals punch through the heavy clouds much better.


Already there! :)

We are getting some storms from what was Tropical Storm Emily trying to regenerate to the east of us.

I would love a bigger dish solution though!

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:43 PM

Losing signals off 119, 110, and 101, sound like changing to SD won't help. :nono:


You are correct. I did turn on the SD channels though just in case.

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 05:13 PM

You are correct. I did turn on the SD channels though just in case.

Do you have 8-way splitters off the SWiM-16, and do you have unused ports that are terminated?
If you could change to 4-ways, even if you needed to add a 2-way or two, you might get a stronger signal to the receivers.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 09:18 PM

Been there,

Everything is generally north, south, east or west of Texas. Not everybody can be born in Texas but the best of us are expected to get there as soon as they can.

Joe


Bring your own water !


Everyone here is welcome in Texas. After all, it is the center of the universe. And we could definitely use the water right now. :D

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