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#21 OFFLINE   Mojo_Ryzen

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 02:43 PM

Thanks for the tip. The possibly varying voltages passing through the splitters have been a concern of mine.
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#22 OFFLINE   Mojo_Ryzen

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:14 PM

Anyone considering upgrading a legacy system, like me, needs to understand the expenses involved to make an informed decision. One should do a little research to weigh whether an upgrade thru D*, as opposed to a self-installation, is a better option.

One of the main reasons I have for a self-imposed upgrade is to continue the OTA capabilities I have with my HR-20. Also, I like the way everything works now. I compiled a parts list (see attached) to perform the installation on my house, which consists of and attic and basement, which are partially finished, and two floors with three bedrooms each. The roof is about 30 feet from the ground. The RG6 cable prices are based on prices that I quickly gleaned from Amazon.com.

My current system is included in my signature (7 tuners). I don't think I need amplifiers, because I've tested legacy receivers with 100 feet of cable. My plan is to add one additional HR20 for now, but the wiring expansion will support 6 additional tuners. The cable pricing only accounts for two of the 6. My estimate comes out to a whopping $466! Ouch.

I did not price a SWM upgrade from D* to compare this too. I hope this helps anyone contemplating a legacy expansion. Also note that some of these parts may be obsolete soon, if not already.

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rgds,
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HR24-500|HR20-100S; 0x4d1|5LNB Slimline|Dual WB68s
Samsung SIR-S4080R|Sony SAT-T60|Sony SAT-A3|
Sharp LC-60C52U|Onkyo TXSR605B/DS-A2|Polk RM6750
Harmony 880|Netgear XAV1004 Powerline Ethernet
D* subscriber since 1998|Tivo lifetimer|1984 V65 Magna VF1100C

#23 OFFLINE   cabletech

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 06:37 PM

Looking at your price list, I think you are being screwed on the RG6, you can go to Lowes or Home depot or even check with local electrical contractors and you can get 100 feet of for about $10.00. You can even go to several places on line and get a 1000 ft spool for $90.00. Heck, pm me and I will sell you the cable out of my stock of over 9000 ft. for $10.00 plus shipping.

#24 OFFLINE   Mojo_Ryzen

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 09:56 AM

Looking at your price list, I think you are being screwed on the RG6, you can go to Lowes or Home depot or even check with local electrical contractors and you can get 100 feet of for about $10.00. You can even go to several places on line and get a 1000 ft spool for $90.00. Heck, pm me and I will sell you the cable out of my stock of over 9000 ft. for $10.00 plus shipping.


Yeah. I know. V=Cables are about 39% of my total cost estimate. I have a Lowe's right down the street and I've seen Monoprice prices. I even thought of buying the crimping tool and a spool. I've been reading other posts about "pure copper center conductors" and the like, so I'm a little concerned about cable/connector reliability.

If I just compare 8 pieces at 35 ft each, I get:
Monoprice: $34 + $35 shipping = $69
Lowes: $80
Amazon: $124

Big difference.
rgds,
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Samsung SIR-S4080R|Sony SAT-T60|Sony SAT-A3|
Sharp LC-60C52U|Onkyo TXSR605B/DS-A2|Polk RM6750
Harmony 880|Netgear XAV1004 Powerline Ethernet
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Posted 02 September 2011 - 10:05 AM

Yeah. I know. V=Cables are about 39% of my total cost estimate. I have a Lowe's right down the street and I've seen Monoprice prices. I even thought of buying the crimping tool and a spool. I've been reading other posts about "pure copper center conductors" and the like, so I'm a little concerned about cable/connector reliability.

If I just compare 8 pieces at 35 ft each, I get:
Monoprice: $34 + $35 shipping = $69
Lowes: $80
Amazon: $124

Big difference.

Don't get caught up with marketing here. "solid copper core" [for passing DC voltage] is what you want. What isn't as good is "copper clad", which is steel core with copper plating for the RF signal [which works fine for CATV].
As for connectors, stay away from "crimp" and go with "compression" connectors.
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#26 OFFLINE   Mojo_Ryzen

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 06:35 AM

Once again, I'd like to thank everyone who posted advice.

I completed the expansion of my legacy system and it went off without a hitch - except for my surprise at the cost of cables. I bit the bullet and bought compression/stripper tools, as well as 100 ft RG-6 (2300MHz tested) spools from Lowes. I could probably have gotten them cheaper, but Lowes was convenient for me. Also, "tested to 2300MHz" is stamped on the cable jackets. So I have some extra cable and tools that I may never use again, but my system can support 16 tuners. I posted a block diagram of my setup in the attached pdf file, along with my final Bill of Materials. D* provided a free HR24 in exchange for extending my subscription for two years. They also offered to replace all my legacy (owned) receivers for free.

The only downside is that the 1st floor's OTA antenna input feeds directly into the TV, so those OTA-input-channels do not show up in the HR24 on-screen guide, like they do on my HR20. I can live with it though, since it's only a back-up when we have heavy rains in the Mid-Atlantic states - like now!

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rgds,
-MR-
HR24-500|HR20-100S; 0x4d1|5LNB Slimline|Dual WB68s
Samsung SIR-S4080R|Sony SAT-T60|Sony SAT-A3|
Sharp LC-60C52U|Onkyo TXSR605B/DS-A2|Polk RM6750
Harmony 880|Netgear XAV1004 Powerline Ethernet
D* subscriber since 1998|Tivo lifetimer|1984 V65 Magna VF1100C

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 12:15 PM

mojo Glad to see you have your system running the way you wanted. But, I have to say again that even thru Lowes was convent, you got ripped off big time for the price of the cable. Hell, for $150 I would have shipped you a 1000ft spool and then you would have more then enough to cover what ever you wanted.




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