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#76 OFFLINE   adam1115

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 02:34 PM

has to do with being able to insert local ads [since if you have DirecTV, their ads are pointless].


How are they pointless? The ads are for DirecTV cinema and their movers program. They would be pointless if you DIDN'T have directv.

What do you mean by local ads? A directv ad is 'local'....?

Saying 'Oh, your complaint is stupid because it is 'unsupported'', I find it odd that this targets a directv ad and that the 30 second skip has worked fine as long as directv has had DVRs. Taking it away (supported or not) is not acceptable to me and many other people.

If DirecTV really gave a crap about wanting you to watch their ads, they would have not let you 30slip or FF through their ads.


I have no doubt that's coming.... Baby steps. Like Steve said earlier, skip is the only out of the methods that skips over the commercial without you seeing it.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 02:43 PM

How are they pointless? The ads are for DirecTV cinema and their movers program. They would be pointless if you DIDN'T have directv.

What do you mean by local ads? A directv ad is 'local'....?

Saying 'Oh, your complaint is stupid because it is 'unsupported'', I find it odd that this targets a directv ad and that the 30 second skip has worked fine as long as directv has had DVRs. Taking it away (supported or not) is not acceptable to me and many other people.



I have no doubt that's coming.... Baby steps. Like Steve said earlier, skip is the only out of the methods that skips over the commercial without you seeing it.


It's not just DirecTV ads, though.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:07 PM

How are they pointless? The ads are for DirecTV cinema and their movers program. They would be pointless if you DIDN'T have directv.

What do you mean by local ads? A directv ad is 'local'....?

Saying 'Oh, your complaint is stupid because it is 'unsupported'', I find it odd that this targets a directv ad and that the 30 second skip has worked fine as long as directv has had DVRs. Taking it away (supported or not) is not acceptable to me and many other people.

I have no doubt that's coming.... Baby steps. Like Steve said earlier, skip is the only out of the methods that skips over the commercial without you seeing it.

First, I didn't say anything about "stupid". :nono:
The DirecTV ads are what is being replaced by local ads.
This is the root cause.
It will get fixed.

I'm sure if you're inclined to wear a tinfoil hat, none of this will change your mind.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:11 PM

It's not just DirecTV ads, though.

But this would matter only to someone interested it what is really happening and why. Those that have already come to their own reasoning and this all is some conspiracy by DirecTV, will not care what is posted here, unless it falls inline with their ideas.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:49 PM

But this would matter only to someone interested it what is really happening and why. Those that have already come to their own reasoning and this all is some conspiracy by DirecTV, will not care what is posted here, unless it falls inline with their ideas.


You're right. Sometimes I hope too much from users. :)
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 04:04 PM

Why would anyone leap to the conclusion that this a bug in the software vs. a change in design, and that 'crazy notion' means they are a conspiracy theorist??

I saw the behavior and thought "Wow, that's annoying, but not a big surprise. Probably a sign of things to come..." I can't imagine someone saying "Wow, look at this interesting software glitch."

Most of the people in this thread thought it was be design...

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 04:09 PM

I am also noticing that after the "local insert" commercials that my hr20 in native mode sometimes gets "confused" ie. 720p before commercials and 1080i after. I have not noticed it happening from 1080i before to 720p afterwards, but it may also do that.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 04:23 PM

Why would anyone leap to the conclusion that this a bug in the software...

I didn't leap to any conclusions, but instead asked the software developers.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 04:40 PM

I'm sure if you're inclined to wear a tinfoil hat, none of this will change your mind.


The little pithy remark under my username at AVS Forum says "no tinfoil hats". I think your sentiments are quite well expressed. :)

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 04:42 PM

The little pithy remark under my username at AVS Forum says "no tinfoil hats". I think your sentiments are quite well expressed. :)

I do believe I've read a post or two of yours over there too. :lol:
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 05:27 PM

I didn't leap to any conclusions, but instead asked the software developers.


Ah, that's what I should've done! Why didn't I think of that!

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:02 PM

Has nothing to do with it.
If it was the case 30SLIP & FF wouldn't work, but they do.

It's merely that the change wasn't tested with 30skip as 30skip isn't a supported feature. This should get "fixed", but when isn't known yet.

I ran into it a couple of times last night and FF works fine to get past it. I'd almost forgotten about this as I haven't run into it for weeks.

Thx VOS for the info on this little irritant.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:28 PM

Thx VOS for the info on this little irritant.

Should see some help in the next update "or so". ;)
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:10 AM

Should see some help in the next update "or so". ;)


Can't Wait until I see the Update but I guess I will have to!!! :D
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:16 AM

I have not received the latest update yet (w/Pandora) so I was wondering if this issue has been fixed.

Called them numerous times to report the issue. Got various responses from CSR's ranging from it is "not an issue" to "yes, we are aware, but not many customers have called to complain".

I have noticed the frequency of these local ads increasing and shifting from DirecTV spots to real local advertisers. Ironically, the one I saw the most often was for a residential condo complex-the same typical HOA organizations that put up as many restrictions as possible to discourage satellite dishes :D

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:15 AM

I have not received the latest update yet (w/Pandora) so I was wondering if this issue has been fixed.

Called them numerous times to report the issue. Got various responses from CSR's ranging from it is "not an issue" to "yes, we are aware, but not many customers have called to complain".

I have noticed the frequency of these local ads increasing and shifting from DirecTV spots to real local advertisers. Ironically, the one I saw the most often was for a residential condo complex-the same typical HOA organizations that put up as many restrictions as possible to discourage satellite dishes :D


Yes, ironic! :lol:

30SKIP is not a 'supported function', so calling is a waste of time. You can FF through those, however. It's not been a factor in my viewing, though plenty of others have seen it.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:24 PM

looks like this was fixed finally.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:02 AM

looks like this was fixed finally.


It has not happened to us watching Justified the last two weeks, which definitely had been using inserting ads. Knock on wood.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:22 PM

Still happening.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:05 AM

there's a new Honda commercial that u can't skip thru.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:42 PM

FWIW, here is why this problem occurs:

...The problem is that skip works by calculating a new number relative to the running timecode and jumps there. If you press "skip" when the timecode is 01:23:13:16 it calculates 01:23:43:16, and jumps non-linearly to that point (actually to the closest I-frame, which is why it is not accurately 30 seconds).

If DTV does a insert and replaces the running time code with the time code from the insert (the cheap and dirty easy way to do it), the number skip tries to calculate from (inside the insert) is not in the same universe, time-wise, as what the rest of the program is in. It tries to calculate a number, but the number 30 seconds down the road is simply just not there, so it aborts the process.

They could fix it by simply using regenerative time code. They might have to spend a buck or two, but they won't, so it won't get fixed. That is the entire idea of not supporting certain features--you don't have to spend money down the road to keep supporting them. Promise unmade; promise technically unbroken.

This was my answer (actually a better answer than I gave earlier in this thread) from another thread.

So it is not conspiratorial; it is simply a by-product of them doing commercial inserts in a manner that is not fully professional.

30SLIP and FFWD work because they do not use an algorithm dependent on a number that does not exist in the time code. They use algorithms that instead instruct the DVR to decode and display at a faster rate than normal, whatever is in the stream.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:45 PM

FWIW, here is why this problem occurs: This was my answer (actually a better answer than I gave earlier in this thread) from another thread.

So it is not conspiratorial; it is simply a by-product of them doing commercial inserts in a manner that is not fully professional.

[you know me] I'm not sure I'll sign off on that, since the 30slip still functions.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:13 PM

there's a new Honda commercial that u can't skip thru.


How about channel, name and time of recording and time of ad?
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:59 PM

[you know me] I'm not sure I'll sign off on that, since the 30slip still functions.

Yes, I do know you. Of course you won't sign off, because you never read nor understood the very simple and short explanation of why 30SLIP still works in this situation while 30SKIP doesn't.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:22 PM

Yes, I do know you. Of course you won't sign off, because you never read nor understood the very simple and short explanation of why 30SLIP still works in this situation while 30SKIP doesn't.

"Garbage"
Since the 30slip isn't a manual function, it too needs to find where 30 sec is in the recording. It doesn't just FF for 30 seconds, you @#%#%, it has to know where 30 sec is in the recording.
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