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DBSTalk First Look: High Definition User Interface


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#51 OFFLINE   EVAC41

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:44 AM

Will this be updated for all HD recievers and DVR's? Even the older model ones?

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#52 OFFLINE   dpeters11

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 04:00 AM

All HD boxes except the H20. The HR20 will have it.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:39 AM

Yeah I know Comcast (and other iGuide cable ops) let's you choose a few things:
1. Guide color scheme
2. Double line or single line guide (single gets more channels at once)
3. Two or three channels on the mini guide

However for the last 10 years, I-guide is relatively unchanged in looks.


That would definitely be a nice set of options. That blue "glow" effect will get stale after a while. Just being able to choose a different color would be nice, although I could even go for themes... sports teams, holidays, favorite show, etc.

I also don't see why the guide can not be customized. Users should be capable of deciding how many channels and how much time their TV can display and their eyes can read. Least common denominator is never a good reason for a design choice like this.

All things considered though, speed improvements will be a welcome change.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 06:18 AM

There have already been many suggestions for changes/options expressed here, and most of them are very good, IMHO.

I'm for implementing most, if not all of them - if - and it's a big IF -

Any of these changes/options will not slow my boxes down!

The new HDGUI is extremely fast.

I'm sure D* will continue to add new features going forward, just as they always have. I just don't want to see new stuff added at the expense of speed.

For me, the speed boost overrides all else. When D* decides to make changes/add options I hope they do it slowly and allow testing to confirm that there is no impact on speed.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 06:20 AM

You can't get pay tv a la carte so why expect the guide to be any different. :)

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:23 AM

The amount of data on the screen has been discussed at length here and at DIRECTV. it seems to boil down to, if you have a 37" tv or smaller, or have worse eyesight, then you want less. If you are younger, have better eyesight and/or a large tv, you want more.

So it doesn't change.


Because of course it would be foolish to give the individual user the option to display more or less. More brain dead "same-old-same-old" that we've come to expect from the DIRECTV GUI design team.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:35 AM

About freaking time!!!! Welcome to 2005 D*

This comes as good news. After being a D* customer for 10+ years I was about to dump them because I got tired of the SD interfaces. The Vip 922 Dish Network system has got my attention. I still might do it.

Maybe it's me but D* is slow when it comes to things that are aesthetic. SD only menus on an HD box in 2011? Pathetic!!! The SD menus makes the D* receivers about as exciting as a kitchen appliance. Last year I was all excited about the H24 until I saw that it had the same played-out, SD interface that they’ve had now for the last 5+ years. After owning the H24 for a year now still nothing excites me about it. The H24 is a lifeless, Generic HD-DVR. Come to think of it I’m gonna dump D* anyway.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:37 AM

Will this appear in our setup screen as a software update...and if so, what is the update number?
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:46 AM

Will this appear in our setup screen as a software update...and if so, what is the update number?


No, when it is 'your turn' to get it, it will be pushed to you. There is nothing for you to do.

My guess is that when the roll out starts, it will take 6 weeks or more for everyone to have it pushed to them.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:47 AM

About freaking time!!!! Welcome to 2005 D*

This comes as good news. After being a D* customer for 10+ years I was about to dump them because I got tired of the SD interfaces. The Vip 922 Dish Network system has got my attention. I still might do it.

Maybe it's me but D* is slow when it comes to things that are aesthetic. SD only menus on an HD box in 2011? Pathetic!!! The SD menus makes the D* receivers about as exciting as a kitchen appliance. Last year I was all excited about the H24 until I saw that it had the same played-out, SD interface that they’ve had now for the last 5+ years. After owning the H24 for a year now still nothing excites me about it. The H24 is a lifeless, Generic HD-DVR. Come to think of it I’m gonna dump D* anyway.


The H24 is not an HDDVR ;)
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:47 AM

About freaking time!!!! Welcome to 2005 D*

This comes as good news. After being a D* customer for 10+ years I was about to dump them because I got tired of the SD interfaces. The Vip 922 Dish Network system has got my attention. I still might do it.

Maybe it's me but D* is slow when it comes to things that are aesthetic. SD only menus on an HD box in 2011? Pathetic!!! The SD menus makes the D* receivers about as exciting as a kitchen appliance. Last year I was all excited about the H24 until I saw that it had the same played-out, SD interface that they’ve had now for the last 5+ years. After owning the H24 for a year now still nothing excites me about it. The H24 is a lifeless, Generic HD-DVR. Come to think of it I’m gonna dump D* anyway.


:lol:

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:55 AM

Will this appear in our setup screen as a software update...and if so, what is the update number?

As usual, the firmware will be pushed to our receivers as a national release. We don't know what the schedule is yet but it will automatically be pushed to the receivers.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:55 AM

The H24 is not an HDDVR ;)


I guess when you're venting, little details like this don't really matter anyway.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:09 AM

Will this appear in our setup screen as a software update...and if so, what is the update number?


Unknown as of now, but it will come softly in the middle of the night, and your sign will be that the receiver is on in the morning. You'll be able to check the number and time of installation in the Menu->Setup.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:16 AM

I guess when you're venting, little details like this don't really matter anyway.


And, really, truly, it's hard to believe so much passion can be generated by a bloody Guide! Especially when there are a number of alternatives, such as iPad and Browser pages.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:03 AM

Lets remember, this is just the first version of the new HDGUI, it could change again in the future.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:07 AM

And, really, truly, it's hard to believe so much passion can be generated by a bloody Guide! Especially when there are a number of alternatives, such as iPad and Browser pages.

And disappointment is going to grow because the we want everything now segment are not going to be very satisfied with the first edition of the HDGUI that is basically a simple conversion. They want a complete redesign of the guide that would take advantages of everything that hi-def can achieve.

They don't understand that a complete redesign would cause total confusion among most customers.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:11 AM

Lets remember, this is just the first version of the new HDGUI, it could change again in the future.


+1

My guess is that they focused only on changing the look without adding any new features of consequence. Their goal (other than that) was speed.

Speed has been the number one complaint here. The speed of the new firmware mitigates many of the complaints we're accustomed to seeing.

After this HDGUI Ver 1.0 is officially released to all, there is no doubt in my mind they will begin to add features, some of which are being asked for here.

I hope they don't lose their focus on the speed of the firmware while doing so.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:13 AM

Will the new HD guide bring any performance improvements on the older DVRs (HR20/21)? Or is it only the newer boxes that you'll see the faster scrolling, etc?

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:15 AM

Will the new HD guide bring any performance improvements on the older DVRs (HR20/21)? Or is it only the newer boxes that you'll see the faster scrolling, etc?


You will see a speed improvement on all of your boxes.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 12:03 PM

My guess is that they focused only on changing the look without adding any new features of consequence. Their goal (other than that) was speed.
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After this HDGUI Ver 1.0 is officially released to all, there is no doubt in my mind they will begin to add features, some of which are being asked for here.so.


I agree with the wisdom of focusing on optimizing the new code base for speed and performance and bringing the interface up to a more modern design. However, I'm a bit disappointed that in moving from a 4x3 SD resolution guide to a 16x9 one they didn't make any effort to take advantage of the 1/3 wider display.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 12:34 PM

Will the new HD guide bring any performance improvements on the older DVRs (HR20/21)? Or is it only the newer boxes that you'll see the faster scrolling, etc?


I won't say that it will make an HR21 as fast as an HR24 with the same firmware, but a major speed increase for sure.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 01:20 PM

:lol:

My dad used to tell me that sometimes beauty is only skin deep.........


Yes exactly. The UI is just a way to get to the programming you want to watch. It's great that it looks good, better than it used to, but having it faster and with the info or screen I want easy to locate is more important. After all, it's just TV. :lol:

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 01:39 PM

Great job on the First Look Stuart.

Had to use Safari to view the document as I was getting an Access Denied when using the iPad app.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:25 PM

The new GUI looks interesting, but honestly, I spend so little time in the GUI that it really doesn't matter to me.

All my DVRs are fast enough, in fact, what they really do for me, record and playback programs at the appropriate speed, they are fast enough. Anything else is a bonus.

What I really need is remote ToDo, and Freespace. With that and the iPad app, I can do what I need.

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