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DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: HR34-700 Home Media Center HD DVR


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#251 OFFLINE   LameLefty

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:06 PM

Now that I think about it, with the new GUI, it will be total BS if they don't offer PIP for the current HR2X's. They have 2 tuners. Use them. The ULTIMATE TV FROM MICROSOFT IN 2001 had this as a feature.


PIP is mostly a function of the display and video compositing/overlay chipset. The HR34 has a more advanced video subsystem than does the HR2x line.

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#252 OFFLINE   LameLefty

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:08 PM

For those of you that have this, can you confirm that this can handle a total of 11 channels/streams at once. For example, according to the specs you should be able to:

Record 5 shows at once
Record 1 video on demand
Have 3 recorded streams go to the MRV or RVU clients
Have 2 streams output to the local tv

By my count that's 11 total things at once, can it really do all that without any glitches?


Yep, that's the math. It does work just fine.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:09 PM

PIP is mostly a function of the display and video compositing/overlay chipset. The HR34 has a more advanced video subsystem than does the HR2x line.


So you are trying to convince me that the current HR2X line does not have a more advanced chipset than the UltimateTV receivers offered by DTV manufactured by Microsoft and Sony back in 2001? (It was actually Oct 2000. I looked it up.)

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:21 PM

One might give a slight practical advantage to the Comcast unit as each client is a fully functional receiver so it doesn't consume a DVR tuner to watch live TV.


I think it would be a huge selling point to add the RVU functionality to one of the current HD receivers (probably the H25 due to its size.) This would allow the capability of accessing the full HR34 DVR abilities while not "borrowing" an HR34 tuner when watching live Tv from the remote location. That possibility also adds a bit of redundancy for viewing should the HR34 go down.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:30 PM

I think it would be a huge selling point to add the RVU functionality to one of the current HD receivers (probably the H25 due to its size.) This would allow the capability of accessing the full HR34 DVR abilities while not "borrowing" an HR34 tuner when watching live Tv from the remote location. That possibility also adds a bit of redundancy for viewing should the HR34 go down.

With question of whether it would be able to RVU and MRV.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:33 PM

Now that I think about it, with the new GUI, it will be total BS if they don't offer PIP for the current HR2X's. They have 2 tuners. Use them. The ULTIMATE TV FROM MICROSOFT IN 2001 had this as a feature.


Yeah, that was a roaring success. :nono2:
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:38 PM

Yeah, that was a roaring success. :nono2:

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PIP is really only useful in larger screen HDTVs anyway...and even then...not everyone wants/needs it.

Still, some do want it of course, and it comes down to personal preference.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:41 PM

So you are trying to convince me that the current HR2X line does not have a more advanced chipset than the UltimateTV receivers offered by DTV manufactured by Microsoft and Sony back in 2001? (It was actually Oct 2000. I looked it up.)


I don't have to "convince" you of anything. The HR2x boxes have been out since 2006 and people have been clamoring for PIP ever since they knew they would contain dual tuners. The chipset just doesn't support it. If it did, Directv would have enabled and supported it - it would have been a TREMENDOUS selling point, especially given Directv's long-standing commitment to be seen as a sports programming leader.

The chipset in the HR34 DOES support it. And it's great. :)

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:43 PM

With question of whether it would be able to RVU and MRV.


I think it would require a pretty substantial S/W change on the H25, but believe it would be possible. Since most will need to add a box (C30) for RVU functionality, it would be terrific if you could add an RVU device that also had an internal tuner for live watching.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:47 PM

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:13 PM

PIP is really only useful in larger screen HDTVs anyway...and even then...not everyone wants/needs it.

Still, some do want it of course, and it comes down to personal preference.



Though I disagree with the larger screen statement, I'm a living example of "everyone."

If all the HR34 brought to the table was PiP, I wouldn't care a thing about it. The HR24-100 has been very, very good to me.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:57 PM

Yeah, that was a roaring success. :nono2:


Did you own one? (or two or three?) I'd love to hear your first hand opinion on the functionality. Either way, this thread is not about that and the HR 34wins hands down. I still think the HR 2X should be able to handle PIP.

+1

PIP is really only useful in larger screen HDTVs anyway...and even then...not everyone wants/needs it.

Still, some do want it of course, and it comes down to personal preference.


Agreed. DTV receivers have not output PIP in a decade. If you want it today you need multiple receivers (Even though your current receiver probably has two tuners). If you are not happy with what the HR34 offers for PIP, be prepared to pay 2-5K at the entry level for a scaler. I would think most will settle for what the HR34 offers instead of scaling from two independent sources. I know that is the way I'm leaning.

I don't have to "convince" you of anything. The HR2x boxes have been out since 2006 and people have been clamoring for PIP ever since they knew they would contain dual tuners. The chipset just doesn't support it. If it did, Directv would have enabled and supported it - it would have been a TREMENDOUS selling point, especially given Directv's long-standing commitment to be seen as a sports programming leader.

The chipset in the HR34 DOES support it. And it's great. :)


The HR34 sounds great like you exclaim. I love it and want one. The fact that DirectTv offered PIP in 2000 and it went away until now because "hardware can't handle it" is absolute BS in my opinion. If they wanted to include it, they could have.

Despite this lack of (previous) functionality that a few choose to beat me up about, I have stayed a loyal subscriber since 2001. There are many positives from DTV that long outweigh the negatives IMO.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:04 PM

Any information on power consumption and heat output as compared to existing HDVR models?

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:17 PM

Now that I think about it, with the new GUI, it will be total BS if they don't offer PIP for the current HR2X's. They have 2 tuners. Use them. The ULTIMATE TV FROM MICROSOFT IN 2001 had this as a feature.


They can't offer PIP on the HR2X's, the chip will not support it.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:19 PM

So you are trying to convince me that the current HR2X line does not have a more advanced chipset than the UltimateTV receivers offered by DTV manufactured by Microsoft and Sony back in 2001? (It was actually Oct 2000. I looked it up.)


UltimateTV was SD. This is HD. Different animal.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:50 PM

UltimateTV was SD. This is HD. Different animal.


Waiting for that to be brought up. ;) I'm glad the HR34 supports this function a decade later. I still attest that my (many) receivers between then and now should all have had this functionality. My best football watching days were my two UTVs hooked up to a Mitz 55" rear projection with split screen PIP. Two games split screen and two more games in PIP windows. 4 games at the same time. It would take a whole lot more to do that today.

My intention is not to argue. (Certainly not about the past) The main objective is to get the best viewing experience in my almost completed home theater, bar, sitting area, and gym (in my basement).

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:59 PM

So has anyone tried a 3TB eSATA drive on this puppy yet?

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 01:30 AM

Any information on power consumption and heat output as compared to existing HDVR models?


Someone mentioned replacing two their HR24s with this to save power so I went and looked at them both. I don't have one of those fancy kill-a-watt meters but the HR24 is rated at 50 watts max and the HR34 55 watts max so I wouldn't think it's uses that much more.

So has anyone tried a 3TB eSATA drive on this puppy yet?


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:42 AM

Now that I think about it, with the new GUI, it will be total BS if they don't offer PIP for the current HR2X's. They have 2 tuners. Use them.

From whats been said before on this topic, yes the HR2x have two tuners, but the chip set doesn't have two video processors, so it can't handle outputting two video streams at the same time.

The ULTIMATE TV FROM MICROSOFT IN 2001 had this as a feature

UTV was designed and made my Microsoft and sold through D*, this is why they had PIP, different manufacturer.

I agree with you though, PIP should have been on the HR2x when they came out. PIP has been available through E* and c* for a few years now, D* is finally catching up. It'll be good for sports, I plan on using it.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:12 AM

You will be wanting to replace your 12 2T HR20-700s with 12 2TB HR34-700s before too long...


I doubt it, but you might be right. I'm gonna wait until I fully understand the 34 and see how it performs for others.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:13 AM

Why would it be lease only? Someone posted earlier that they would surely want them all back so they would be leased. What do you think we are doing with owned ones??? They stay in the system, or "they get them back", just on a different account. They are useless for anything else other than a D* system so they aren't going anywhere. Nobody is going to pay the cost to own one just so they can take the drive out of it and use it in their computer.


My thoughts exactly.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:15 AM

I still think the HR 2X should be able to handle PIP.


PIP is not a software feature, it's a feature of the system video processor and compositing architecture. Way back in the day, someone dug up the spec sheet on the Broadcom chips used in the HR20 and discovered that PIP was part of the design, but only for one HD and one SD stream or two SD streams. With that limitation, given the fact Directv was still in the beginning stages of their HD rollout and customers would be horribly confused about why PIP worked on some channels but not others, they obviously chose not to bother with it. There are threads from years past discussing it if you want to go do a search.

Now, five years later and literally tens of millions of boxes later, chip specs have advanced, system costs have decreased, and the chipset used in the HR34 can support PIP with two HD streams.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:18 AM

PIP


I've had so many TVs with PIP and I never used it. Could never see a use for it. Seems like a step backward. For those who never had it, I can understand their interest in it. I even had TVs that would do side by side split screen PIP and never used the feature. I also had gizmos that would put a PIP on the screen and gave them away years ago. Not gonna be a selling point for me. (Of course, my opinions change rather quickly, I saw no reason for MRV and I was wrong about that...:lol:)

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:27 AM

Yeah, that was a roaring success. :nono2:


I had the UTV DVRs and never used the PIP feature. By that time I had it on several TVs and never used it. I do like the PIG, but that's a different thing. PIP is a 20th Century innovation that never really caught on.

For a while, back then, every hi-end TV had PIP. You don't see many, if any, today.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:33 AM

Will there be a fee per RVU? I can't believe Directv is going to give up the cash cow that is lease/mirroring fees. Does anyone have an idea yet of cost differences between currently have say 1dvr +2 hd receivers versus an hr34 + 2 rvus (directv or other manufacturer)?

I'm suspecting quite a billing and cost structure change in the future with this unit.




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